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[the_one_54321]

Carfax wrote...
You're the one thats incorrect actually, and Woldan is correct.  Larger muscles have more muscle fibers, therefore can exert more force.  The strongest people all have large, dense muscle mass..

Punching and strength actually have very little to do with each other. Same for carrying and kicking. Really. This is not made up or inferred.

[DiebytheSword]

Its probably been pointed out, but I'll say it again.

Should Fem Shep be better built? Yes, she probably should.

That aside, being thin does not make her invalid as a combatant. My Tae Kwon Do teacher was maybe 105lbs soaking wet, and I'm fairly sure she could incpacitate if not out right kill most of the larger males posting in this thread.

Thin =/= benign, or incapable as a warrior.

[AdmiralCheez]

chengthao wrote...

i'm not missing the point . . . i'm pointing out ppl's "misconception" of military women . . . that somehow if your a female and serve in the military, you have to be some buffed-up butch

if Sheploo looked closer to the way i looked, i would have no complaints, there are skinny ppl who do serve in and alongside the infantry

Great!  Fine!  So there are skinny people in the army!  And I've seen front line folks with a fair amount of natural chunk as well.

BUT THAT'S.  NOT.  THE ISSUE.

The problem is that the entertainment industry has deemed one, and only one, female body type as desirable.  And that body has been surgically and digitally altered to the point where only a sliver of a percent of women actually posses that body naturally.

In short, the popular perception of beauty is a big, stinkin' lie.  And I'm not saying this just because I'm fat--I sure as hell wouldn't make a FemShep with MY body (because this is not what a body looks like when it charges across the battlefield all day, erry day)--but because it's not fair to ANYBODY.  It's not fair to women who don't fit the narrow definition of "hot," it's not fair to the women that DO fit because they get flamed on by the bitter and jealous masses, and it's not fair to the (wo)men attracted to them because they are pressured to love and desire something that over 99% of the time doesn't actually exist.

FemShep was a rallying cry for so many women like myself because she wasn't just there to be eye candy.  She wasn't some parody of what a woman should be for the sake of profiting off some poor sap's wet dream--she was the hero all of us wanted to be.  Of all the video game heroines out there, she was the strongest.  The most human.  The most personal.  The most real.

And now that's gone because GOTTA BE SEXY BROADER MARKET APPEAL LOL LOL LOL

/over-dramatic fanwangst

[AlexXIV]

Carfax wrote...

chengthao wrote...

exactly . . . i wiegh 140 lbs and can take down a 300 lbs Marine, i can easily drag a 300+ lbs Marine plus all his equipment

being strong doesn't mean you have to be buff . . . i'm cut but my muscles aren't enormous

Such B.S.. 

Well actually I am 160 lbs and I can also take down a 300 lbs Marine. With a gun, and when he's not looking.

[Wulfram]

KBomb wrote...

Honestly, this place has the most confusing people(some, not all of course) I have ever seen when making arguments.

As I said earlier, when femshep punched the SB and some posters were arguing that it looked ridiculous and weird and no way a woman her size could fight with something that huge and win- posters then counter-argued that femShep was genetically and cybernetically enhanced and it made perfect sense!

Now she is a bit skinnier and everyone is saying how she couldn't carry <insert amount of weight< and could never hold her own and etc. etc. and etc. She's either a skinny woman who is modified to kick all kinds of ass, or she's going to have to look like the Hulk. I would rather believe she is genetically modified because I don't want to play a game where she has bulky muscles.

FTR: I don't find her undies offensive. I do find them hilarious.

Different people have different opinions.

[android654]

idoless24 wrote...
Yeah, when put side-by-side you can tell which representation was respected and which was flat out ignored in that area.

I don't think they ignored her, I think they debliberately tried to make her sexy, her fetish dress shows that. It's kind of insulting to their base to finally give Femshep attention only to make her look like that, and then make Sheploo look like any actor who gets hired to play a superhero. I can tell the dev team has never been to a gym if they thought Jane looked like the female equivalent of John.

[the_one_54321]

Carfax wrote...
Such B.S.. 

Seriously, flat strength is not the issue here. It's kinesiology. Propper hand-to-hand teqnique has almost nothing to do with the size of your muslces. Same thing goes for kicking in doors, climbing, smashing things with your hands, the works.

[corporal doody]

Bruce Lee weighed how much? and was how tall? Jet Li weighs how much? and is how tall? Cynthia Rothrock is how tall and weighs how much (in her prime anyways)?

Martial artists before actors...and folks i wouldnt mess with.

Femshep's current level of physical badassness can be summed up easily (as has been mentioned a few times in this thread).....Shep is more machine than (wo)man now. Augmented for perfection

[ADLegend21]

Demonique wrote...

Her arms are way too skinny and she has no muscle definition

Something like this would have been much more appropriate

In case it doesn't show, it's a gif of cage-fighter Gina Carano getting ready for a pre-fight weigh-in

Femshep hsa the standard female body model they use for the majority of female characters in the game. Always has always will.

[chengthao]

BrotherWarth wrote...

chengthao wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

If you had read my earlier post you would have seen that I did serve. I was Air Force for 6 years and served on Army and Naval bases. I was in combat areas as well, so I've seen a wide array of servicemen and women. No petite, barely-muscled women were ever carrying full gear in the dense, humid heat of Iraq I can assure you.

well lets see . . . my gf is a 100 lbs and 5' 2" serving as a Navy Corpsman . . . oh and she's been out in the field and combat carrying 90+lbs of medical equipment . . . hmmm . . . let's see, i had a female shipmate who wieghed like 90 lbs carrying her own weight and went out into the field to medavac some wounded Marines

so i'm not sure where you serve but there are women all in the military who are very light/small and can still carry their own equipment

No field medics carry 90+ pounds of medical equipment. And unless your shipmate was 4'10"(the minimum height to enlist) she didn't weight 90 pounds since that's too light to enlist and remain in.
You're making gross exaggerations to support your claims, but no matter how you slice it no woman built like FemShep in ME3 could do the things she does.

90 lbs of medical equipment along with her rifle, ammo, armor, etc, etc, you still have to carry all that into the field even if your just medavacing Marines (unless your in a helo, which she wasn't)

and yes my shipmate was under 5' (not sure her exact hieght) and she weighed under 100 lbs (so like 95-96)

the point is, women like FemShep do exist in the real military and they are capable of doing the jobs of all their male counterparts

[Wulfram]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

how come FemShep gets a lame reskin of Diana's tacky dress while BroShep gets an awesome jacket? 

Probably because Kasumi's dress was really popular with female players

(Maybe that was less tacky?  As a guy I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge.)

[AdmiralCheez]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Its probably been pointed out, but I'll say it again.

Should Fem Shep be better built? Yes, she probably should.

That aside, being thin does not make her invalid as a combatant. My Tae Kwon Do teacher was maybe 105lbs soaking wet, and I'm fairly sure she could incpacitate if not out right kill most of the larger males posting in this thread.

Thin =/= benign, or incapable as a warrior.

Look.  I have no problem with actual, real-life, thin/petite women.

But FemShep IS NOT an actual, real-life, thin/petite woman.  She looks like that for one reason, and one reason only:

She had to be "hot."

And by "hot," I mean fitting into the narrow definition of unrealistic sex appeal I wangsted about in my previous post.

[AlexXIV]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Carfax wrote...
Such B.S.. 

Seriously, flat strength is not the issue here. It's kinesiology. Propper hand-to-hand teqnique has almost nothing to do with the size of your muslces. Same thing goes for kicking in doors, climbing, smashing things with your hands, the works.

Eh the point is, if you are skilled and your enemy not it may be so. But if your enemy is just as skilled as you and additionally has the proper muscle that goes with the technique while you don't have any muscle. Who's gonna win? Unless he gets an heart attack he will win.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 27 février 2012 - 09:19 .

[darthnick427]

*looks at some of the responses*

O_o Whoa did I enter a very serious thread.....

*Tip toes out*

[chengthao]

Carfax wrote...

chengthao wrote...

exactly . . . i wiegh 140 lbs and can take down a 300 lbs Marine, i can easily drag a 300+ lbs Marine plus all his equipment

being strong doesn't mean you have to be buff . . . i'm cut but my muscles aren't enormous

Such B.S.. 

its all about technique, why do you think we learn hand-to-hand techniques instead of just lift wieghts if all that matters is muscle and mass

[AdmiralCheez]

Wulfram wrote...

Probably because Kasumi's dress was really popular with female players

(Maybe that was less tacky?  As a guy I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge.)

The Kasumi dress didn't look like it was made out of latex.

[incinerator950]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Its probably been pointed out, but I'll say it again.

Should Fem Shep be better built? Yes, she probably should.

That aside, being thin does not make her invalid as a combatant. My Tae Kwon Do teacher was maybe 105lbs soaking wet, and I'm fairly sure she could incpacitate if not out right kill most of the larger males posting in this thread.

Thin =/= benign, or incapable as a warrior.

Look.  I have no problem with actual, real-life, thin/petite women.

But FemShep IS NOT an actual, real-life, thin/petite woman.  She looks like that for one reason, and one reason only:

She had to be "hot."

And by "hot," I mean fitting into the narrow definition of unrealistic sex appeal I wangsted about in my previous post.

Are you cute Cheez?

[KBomb]

AlexXIV wrote...

She doesn't need to look like the Hulk. She-Hulk would do.

Also, what does 'she is genetically modified' mean. Does it say somewhere that she doesn't need to work out anymore? Far as I know she is just genetically optimized. Which means she is the best a human can be. Which is probably not much better than before. Because she was the best already before her resurrection.

Ew no.

[Carfax]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Punching and strength actually have very little to do with each other. Same for carrying and kicking. Really. This is not made up or inferred.

Sure...  So who's going to punch harder and lift more weight, a 300lb man, or a 90lb woman?   

The amount of force you can generate in a punch depends on more than just your strength to be sure, but strength has a lot to do with it as well. 

Where do you think most of the force is generated in a punch?  Your muscles!  Same thing with lifting.

[chengthao]

BrotherWarth wrote...

chengthao wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

The Woldan wrote...
Female soldiers that can do all of the above won't have the body of a ballet dancer, or a body that looks like FemSheps.
Simple physics, the stronger you are the bigger your muscles are, there is no magical super lean muscles, its pretty simple.

You're just flat out incorrect here. Those physical feats are about proper technique, not muscle mass. Small people can hit very "hard" if they know the right way to hit. Large muscles have only a small and very specific benefit in these kinds of activities.

exactly . . . i wiegh 140 lbs and can take down a 300 lbs Marine, i can easily drag a 300+ lbs Marine plus all his equipment

being strong doesn't mean you have to be buff . . . i'm cut but my muscles aren't enormous

300 pound marines? Taking them down and dragging them around? First off, when and why did you EVER "take down" a 300 pound marine? And second, where the hell did you ever see 300 pound marines? That's 25 pounds more than the maximum weight allowable for the tallest of marines. So unless you serve with droves of 6'8" marines who have avoided weight checks, you're exaggerating to an EXTREME degree.

there are 300 lbs Marines . . . theres a weight limit but body fat is also taken into account, anyone weighing over their wieght limit can still enlist and serve if they have low body fat, muscle weighs more than fat

Modifié par chengthao, 27 février 2012 - 09:20 .

[android654]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Carfax wrote...
You're the one thats incorrect actually, and Woldan is correct.  Larger muscles have more muscle fibers, therefore can exert more force.  The strongest people all have large, dense muscle mass..

Punching and strength actually have very little to do with each other. Same for carrying and kicking. Really. This is not made up or inferred.

I've been practicing Muay Thai for almost three years now, and I can tell you muscle definition is a must if you intend to punch or kick anyone with proper form or force. Mass slows you down, but definition is important. In order to through a proper jab you have to incorporate your heel, calv, quad, hip, oblique, abdomen, shoulder and chest. Using all of though muscle groups to do one thing properly meand there has to be an absence of fat and a strength that only comes with definition. Despite populare belief, mass does not equal strength, but defintion does. The only benfit from mass is volume to move, meaning moving heavier things, but their punch would feel like something a 110 lb thai fighter can give you.

Modifié par android654, 27 février 2012 - 09:21 .

[darthnick427]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Probably because Kasumi's dress was really popular with female players

(Maybe that was less tacky?  As a guy I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge.)

The Kasumi dress didn't look like it was made out of latex.

This is true

[the_one_54321]

BrotherWarth wrote...
300 pound marines? Taking them down and dragging them around? First off, when and why did you EVER "take down" a 300 pound marine? And second, where the hell did you ever see 300 pound marines? That's 25 pounds more than the maximum weight allowable for the tallest of marines. So unless you serve with droves of 6'8" marines who have avoided weight checks, you're exaggerating to an EXTREME degree.

On the flip side, I have seen a number of 150lb women fighting and holding their own. I don't mean random fights either, I mean in the gym on the mats. Maybe that guy is exagerating. I don't know because I've never been in the marines. But the notion that someone can be 100% effective without have giant muscles is a valid one.

And more to the point, something is wrong with Sheps arms that doesn't have anything to do with how big her muscles are. She just looks very off somehow.