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[Giant ambush beetle]

To all those people saying technique is everything - why are professional K1 fighters - both male and female- so bulky? Technique is nothing without power behind it, you need both to be a good fighter, and the only thing that gives your movements power is muscles. Also, the bigger a muscle is, the stronger it is.

And one thing most people tend to forget is muscles also protect your body in a fight, it can mean the difference between a broken shoulder and a dislocated shoulder, a torn sinew and a strained sinew.

[android654]

KBomb wrote...

android654 wrote...



Umm.. Yes she should

Again. Ew no.

It's ok, a lot of people on here have proven that they've never seen an athlete before.

[Arppis]

The Woldan wrote...

To all those people saying technique is everything - why are professional K1 fighters - both male and female- so bulky? Technique is nothing without power behind it, you need both to be a good fighter, and the only thing that gives your movements power is muscles. Also, the bigger a muscle is, the stronger it is.

And one thing most people tend to forget is muscles also protect your body in a fight, it can mean the difference between a broken shoulder and a dislocated shoulder, a torn sinew and a strained sinew.

I agree.

[the_one_54321]

The Woldan wrote...
To all those people saying technique is everything - why are professional K1 fighters - both male and female- so bulky?

Because there are strict limitations on what you can and can't do in the ring. This leads to an emphasis on strength, as it makes up for much of what you can't otherwise implement.

[AlexXIV]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

You did not just post a rl pic of you, did you?

If you did, big mistake. Nothing good ever comes from this kind of things. And I wouldn't know why BSN would be better than all the other terrible places in the internet.

I've posted, like, three RL pics of myself in the past.  Nothing ill has come of it so far.

Besides, RL trollface/self-satire = worth it.

Ok then. Guess you are a grown up girl and can deal with it.

[SMACK64]

@chiliztri Was that model/outfit just straight up in the game?

[twisty77]

If anyone has seen the ESPN Body Issue spread of Hope Solo, that would be ideal for a Female Shepard.

[android654]

The Woldan wrote...

To all those people saying technique is everything - why are professional K1 fighters - both male and female- so bulky? Technique is nothing without power behind it, you need both to be a good fighter, and the only thing that gives your movements power is muscles. Also, the bigger a muscle is, the stronger it is.

And one thing most people tend to forget is muscles also protect your body in a fight, it can mean the difference between a broken shoulder and a dislocated shoulder, a torn sinew and a strained sinew.

Agreed, but it's definition that matters. For example one of the best boxers in history weighs only 130-135 during the fight season



His prowess doesn't come from mass but from the strength of existing muscle tissue.

[Destroy Raiden_]

BrotherWarth wrote...

chengthao wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

chengthao wrote...

why do ppl think you need to be butch to be a female in the military? do these ppl even serve in the military? why complain when they have no idea about women in the military? there are plenty of "skinny" women in the military, there are plenty of "skinny" guys in the military as well . . . its not as if every single person in the military is some buffed-up, steroid using GOW character

Of course. But we are talking about carrying equipment of several pounds on a daily basis for years. Have you seen anyone who carried equipment of several pounds on a daily basis? It gives a certain figure.
Also if someone like that suddenly stops carrying that several pounds of equipment for a half year, it also changes their figure.
It's not about woman or man, it's about human physiology.
Yet again, it's really not a big deal. And I'm glad we don't have the female version of the Goverminator as a FemShep. But I also understand where is this complaint coming from.
Even if it's taken too seriously. Way too seriously.

yea . . . . me, i'm not insanely buff, i wiegh around 140 lbs, and i've been serving with the infantry as a Navy Corpsman for 6 years now

i'm "skinny" but strong, my muscles are well-defined but not huge

i suggest you serve in the military and actually see the different sizes of ppl who do actually serve

Unless FemShep is 6'4" she doesn't weigh 140 pounds going off that picture in her undies. She looks more like 110-115 since she has no muscle mass to speak of.
And again, there are women built like that in the military. But those women don't do physical duties and certainly could never do what FemShep does.

She's more like 105 when I was that weight I wasn't tossing no 300lb guy around in full gear or casual clothing unless he was stunned or letting me you just can't do it other wise. And at 105 with arms like that it hurts to punch people or use your forearm to block attacks. A bony figure like that comes with disadvantages in combat because there is very little muscle there to help soften the blows. She'd be faster then mshep. I liked fshep for not being the sexy lead role her suits weren't inverse armor and her clothing in ME wasn't too sexy and tight its been going down hill in 2 and now with that leather tank top she's loosing the battleship can't be a Ripley she's has to be a Jolee in a size 4.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 27 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[the_one_54321]

twisty77 wrote...
If anyone has seen the ESPN Body Issue spread of Hope Solo, that would be ideal for a Female Shepard.

Hope Solo would be the ideal for anything.

[InvincibleHero]

I sympathize with the person that claims to have a problem because of an eating disorder. However, as an adult you have to take care of yourself in the best way possible. Realize, the game is gold femshep is not going to change no matter how much you hate it. Your choice is to avoid triggers so you unfortunately should avoid the game for your health. Your very very very minority circumstance should not dictate how companies like BW design their characters. They design the game for wide appeal to get more sales they cannot cater to every faction or possibility out there.

Games and movies are a visual medium that favors beatuty and they show slender women and buff men which is a small percentage of all people for sex appeal. It is a formula that works. I don't beef that the men are too buff or taller than me.

I could see my ribs (though I am male) when I was overweight by a good 40-50 lbs all it takes is inhaling and a suck and tuck. Some people have a more prominent bone structure than others. She is not skin and bones you can see they tried to make her look normal weight. People have forgotten what normal healthy looks like. Try looking up medical charts from the 1950s and see what they thought was normal compared to today as for height and weight. They were much more strict then about normal. It has drifted upwards quite a bit. As a male of 5 foot 7 I am supposed to weight around 140 which I haven't since grade school being 160 lbs as a freshman in HS. My BMI was less than 20 which indicates no overweightedness.

That being said I always found her arms to look weird. They look like they have muscle to me like Gina Carano's but they are too long because they use the same rig as male Shep's her arms are too long and out of proportion to hold the gun in the same position. If they were shorter they would look fine.

[chengthao]

BrotherWarth wrote...

chengthao wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

chengthao wrote...

ummm . . . there are Marines who lift weights, the are Marines who are tall, there are Marines who are both

i have never said that this was the norm or that every Marine is like this, i just said they exist, to say such a thing can't possibly exist is just ignorant

But again, I have served all over. In combat zones and out, all over the world. I have never seen a 300 pound marine. I've seen marines who were 6'6", but none of them were even close to 300 pounds. I've seen marines built like Vega, but none of them were close to 300 pounds. And I've seen females in the service who were 5' tall and weighed around 100-105 pounds, but none of them could do what their male counterparts could. To say that a 95 pound, 5' tall woman could carry around full gear, including medical supplies in the humid, appaling heat of Iraq AND haul around Hulk-sized marines is completely ridiculous.

ah yes b/c you were responsible for weighing all those buff Marines

plus my shipmates had to be able to do it, since they both went to Field Med and thats part of the training for all FMF (qualified) Corpsman

Saying "They did do that, because they had to" isn't exactly a convincing argument coming from you. I think you're a liar, thus "Yuh-huh!" isn't moving me here.

well then there's just no convincing you then

[AlexXIV]

android654 wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

To all those people saying technique is everything - why are professional K1 fighters - both male and female- so bulky? Technique is nothing without power behind it, you need both to be a good fighter, and the only thing that gives your movements power is muscles. Also, the bigger a muscle is, the stronger it is.

And one thing most people tend to forget is muscles also protect your body in a fight, it can mean the difference between a broken shoulder and a dislocated shoulder, a torn sinew and a strained sinew.

Agreed, but it's definition that matters. For example one of the best boxers in history weighs only 130-135 during the fight season



His prowess doesn't come from mass but from the strength of existing muscle tissue.

Boxers fight in weight classes though. I really don't know how it is if they remove the weight restrictions. Unless you are Mike Tyson, size also matters.

[zestyshade]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

zestyshade wrote...

There is nothing wrong with sex.
I am arguing against sexualization of characters, which ultimately detracts from their value as personalities and puts undue focus on their sexual characteristics. This is not an argument against sex and one should not view it as such.

In a good story there should be a point to everything. Is there a point to a sexy scantily-clad Shepard?

Romance scenes?

Mind, this is a military woman who is most likely into action and things not traditionally considered "girly".

 Or not. I know plenty of "girly" military women.

Hell, you can make her a borderline psychopath by playing straight Renegade and even beating down Wrex for disagreeing with you.

What does sexy underwear have to do with being a psychopath? And beating down someone because they disagree with you isn't psychopathic behavior. If so, nearly every nations in the world's leaders are psychopaths.

There is no reason for her to be presented in a sexy dress apart for one of pleasing the viewers. She is turned from a hero, a leader, to a pretty face with a pair of bouncy bits and a nice round rump.

You make it sound like she jumps on stripper poles and blow Turians all day. Seriously, what's wrong with a woman wearing a pretty dress?

In fact, almost every female in Mass Effect happens along the same path. Take Ashley in ME1 -

Oh here we go... 

she has an epic wedgy that accentuates her butt-crack and general undercarriage, while men have no such thing on their armor. There is no way that is comfortable.

 Different people find different things comfortable. Example: S&M

The boob-armor makes very little sense as well and serves only to remind us that this is a woman and for male viewers to fawn over the bouncy bits accentuated by this armor.

Or to protect her boobs.

Oh come on, protect her boobs? If you wanted to protect boobs, you would want a full chestplate with some intricate layering of various types of padding underneath to mold around the breasts and provide support.

S&M? In combat? What are you telling me here? All women in Mass Effect like epic wedgies?

There is nothing wrong with a woman wearing a dress, given the occasion. A black night dress is not an outfit most women would wear, and I would hope Commander Shepard is more intelligent than your average SoHo girl on a Friday night.

You are unwilling to see that females' "desired" qualities are accentuated in video games, Mass Effect included.

[android654]

twisty77 wrote...

If anyone has seen the ESPN Body Issue spread of Hope Solo, that would be ideal for a Female Shepard.

Yes, they should have chosen her as an idea of how to model an athletic female character.

[AlexXIV]

the_one_54321 wrote...

twisty77 wrote...
If anyone has seen the ESPN Body Issue spread of Hope Solo, that would be ideal for a Female Shepard.

Hope Solo would be the ideal for anything.

Indeed, she could bring her face too haha.

[JBONE27]

chiliztri wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Could we see a comparison since I don't remember Shepard in her undies?

One page back my dear. I just posted a few screenshots from my game of her.

I don't see them... what part of page one?

[Arppis]

InvincibleHero wrote...

I sympathize with the person that claims to have a problem because of an eating disorder. However, as an adult you have to take care of yourself in the best way possible. Realize, the game is gold femshep is not going to change no matter how much you hate it. Your choice is to avoid triggers so you unfortunately should avoid the game for your health. Your very very very minority circumstance should not dictate how companies like BW design their characters. They design the game for wide appeal to get more sales they cannot cater to every faction or possibility out there.

Games and movies are a visual medium that favors beatuty and they show slender women and buff men which is a small percentage of all people for sex appeal. It is a formula that works. I don't beef that the men are too buff or taller than me.

I could see my ribs (though I am male) when I was overweight by a good 40-50 lbs all it takes is inhaling and a suck and tuck. Some people have a more prominent bone structure than others. She is not skin and bones you can see they tried to make her look normal weight. People have forgotten what normal healthy looks like. Try looking up medical charts from the 1950s and see what they thought was normal compared to today as for height and weight. They were much more strict then about normal. It has drifted upwards quite a bit. As a male of 5 foot 7 I am supposed to weight around 140 which I haven't since grade school being 160 lbs as a freshman in HS. My BMI was less than 20 which indicates no overweightedness.

That being said I always found her arms to look weird. They look like they have muscle to me like Gina Carano's but they are too long because they use the same rig as male Shep's her arms are too long and out of proportion to hold the gun in the same position. If they were shorter they would look fine.

You know, you might have a point. Maybe it is the skeleton like someone here already said. Good point...

[JBONE27]

 I don't knowting she looks good., i

[Capeo]

Just to chime in on punching strength, technique is king in delivering an effective punch but a punch without enough mass behind it, no matter how well delivered, is not going to knock out someone of sufficient mass themselves (unless caught totally unaware). There's a reason they have weight limits in boxing (far too many right now but that's besides the point). Two equally skilled fighters of largely disparate weights is no contest. The bigger man will win. That's why there's a limit on how high a boxer will be able to move up in weight class. After 25-30 lbs he won't be hurting the person he's fighting. He may be faster and be able to land good shot after good shot but simply does not have the mass to translate into sufficient force and one good shot from the larger man will crush him.

Non H2H combat is different in the sense that there are no rules and there are techniques that can end a fight quick no matter big your opponent is. But that's a different story all together. Basic physics still applies: mass times acceleration equals force.

[chiliztri]

JBONE27 wrote...

I don't see them... what part of page one?

One page back from your previous post, as in page 18. I'll repost them here though.

chiliztri wrote...

Just posting these to give some different angles of FemShep. To me, it seems to depend on the angle and/or lighting. Sometimes she looks more petite than in others, also depending on the lighting it can really accentuate her ribcage. ~shrugs~

[AlexXIV]

JBONE27 wrote...

 I don't knowting she looks good., i

Yeah I'd still take Liara. Blue>Green.

[the_one_54321]

zestyshade wrote...
Oh come on, protect her boobs?

All the armor in Mass Effect is designed to look cool. (in other words, it's all pretty stupid on the functionality side)