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[movieguyabw]

InvincibleHero wrote...

 Realize, the game is gold femshep is not going to change no matter how much you hate it.

Game patch can fix it.  It's not impossible.    Just sayin. 

[Carfax]

AlexXIV wrote...

What he means if you punch you punch with your whole body, not just your arms. If a stronger person with big arms would not have a good techinque his punch would ultimately be weaker than from a person with less muscle but the proper technique in which he uses his whole body for the punch. Also at some point a person may have too many muscle. There is a sort of middle ground in which your punching is hardest and fastest. That's usually why boxers look the way they look and not more or less. Bodybuilders are dangerous if they get to 'hug' you but their muscles probably get in their way with the technique alot. Also they tire faster. I had a bodybuilder in my platoon and he was sort of a weak link tbh. Always hungry and thirsty and not really a good performance in most things that make a good soldier.

I knew exactly what he meant, but his method of explanation was daft to say the least.

No matter what way you slice it, MUSCLE is needed for the production of movement in a strike, because muscle is what creates force.

Yes, there are other factors involved like technique and body weight, I never denied that.  Also, bodybuilders are one of the worst examples you can use for strong people, because they don't really strength train.

If size doesn't matter for striking, why do we have weight classes?  It would be an unfair match up to put a 145lb welterweight against a 220lb heavyweight, because the latter can punch much harder than the former regardless of unscientific B.S like "definition."

[the_one_54321]

AlexXIV wrote...
Yeah I'd still take Liara. Blue>Green.

Hair>tentacles.

[Wulfram]

DiebytheSword wrote...


And people who like black and shiny clothing should not have a nice dress for Shepard because . . . why?

I think the real issue with the dress is that people want Man Shep's biker jacket.  Particularly if you don't have the CE hoodie, but want Shep to be wearing something non-military.

Modifié par Wulfram, 27 février 2012 - 09:53 .

[AdmiralCheez]

DiebytheSword wrote...

[some stuff, cutting to prevent walls of walls, sorry]

I agree with you on heels for Miranda, Phantoms and Nemesi.  Pure rediculous for combat roles, but you are almost saying that Shepard can not celebrate her own body on her off time.

On "BroShep is also sexualized": False equivalence.  His body is meant to show power.  FemShep?  Sex appeal.  Both are male fantasies.  FYI, I would have toned down dem muscles a bit--he looks a little ridiculous.

On "not everybody is ripped/FemShep's body is valid": Yeah, I get it, but NOODLE ARMS.  COME ON.  THROW IN A BICEP.

On "so the dress shouldn't exist?": No.  It shouldn't.  It's ugly and tacky enough that I feel compelled to remove the choice from everyone else.

On "celebration of her body": Allow me to explain this myth with some well-known funnies.

Female empowerment looks a HELL of a lot different from sexual pandering.  The whole "sexually liberated female" trope has been hijacked as a male fantasy in the entertainment industry.  Go look up why everyone was so mad about the Catwoman/Teen Titans reboots.

Yeah, FemShep's not that bad, but you need to learn to spot the difference between sending a strong and empowering message to women and an attempt to make your dick hard.

If there were women on the art/character design team, I'd cut Bioware some slack.  But there aren't.

[Giant ambush beetle]

android654 wrote...
Agreed, but it's definition that matters. For example one of the best boxers in history weighs only 130-135 during the fight season


His prowess doesn't come from mass but from the strength of existing muscle tissue.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean with definition, definition comes from low body fat, it makes muscle fibers and veins visible.
There is no special training to maximize muscle efficiency without making it bigger or getting heavier - muscles are very simple, lift weights, they get stronger and bigger. Like a normally aspirated engine, increase the displacement, get more HP.

Unless of course you're doing lots of cardio to increase muscle endurance.

[Sashimi_taco]

chiliztri wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

I don't see them... what part of page one?

One page back from your previous post, as in page 18. I'll repost them here though.

chiliztri wrote...

Just posting these to give some different angles of FemShep. To me, it seems to depend on the angle and/or lighting. Sometimes she looks more petite than in others, also depending on the lighting it can really accentuate her ribcage. ~shrugs~

Well now I look like a fool. *hides head in shame*

I jumped the gun, i guess it was the the angle or something. So sorry, bioware 

[Syrellaris]

The Woldan wrote...

To all those people saying technique is everything - why are professional K1 fighters - both male and female- so bulky? Technique is nothing without power behind it, you need both to be a good fighter, and the only thing that gives your movements power is muscles. Also, the bigger a muscle is, the stronger it is.

And one thing most people tend to forget is muscles also protect your body in a fight, it can mean the difference between a broken shoulder and a dislocated shoulder, a torn sinew and a strained sinew.

Strength isn't everything. Remember all that muscle also slows you down, makes your movements sluggier etc. faster opponents might not be hitting as hard against you, but your constant swinging and grabbing to try and get them tires you down.

Tired muscles don't protect as good as non saturared muscles. So in short, faster opponents hit more, for less but deal the same damage pretty much.

[android654]

AlexXIV wrote...

android654 wrote...

The Woldan wrote...

To all those people saying technique is everything - why are professional K1 fighters - both male and female- so bulky? Technique is nothing without power behind it, you need both to be a good fighter, and the only thing that gives your movements power is muscles. Also, the bigger a muscle is, the stronger it is.

And one thing most people tend to forget is muscles also protect your body in a fight, it can mean the difference between a broken shoulder and a dislocated shoulder, a torn sinew and a strained sinew.

Agreed, but it's definition that matters. For example one of the best boxers in history weighs only 130-135 during the fight season



His prowess doesn't come from mass but from the strength of existing muscle tissue.

Boxers fight in weight classes though. I really don't know how it is if they remove the weight restrictions. Unless you are Mike Tyson, size also matters.

The difference has to be a significant amount for it to make a serious difference. Pacquaio has fought outside his weight class and has changed classes five times, going up and coming down and is the only person to do so. So unless you're 80lb's heavier it's not going to make a difference against a seasoned fighter. However, even if you're 250 and were facing Pacquaio when he's 130 I'm putting money on him.

[Carfax]

AlexXIV wrote...

What he means if you punch you punch with your whole body, not just your arms. If a stronger person with big arms would not have a good techinque his punch would ultimately be weaker than from a person with less muscle but the proper technique in which he uses his whole body for the punch. Also at some point a person may have too many muscle. There is a sort of middle ground in which your punching is hardest and fastest. That's usually why boxers look the way they look and not more or less. Bodybuilders are dangerous if they get to 'hug' you but their muscles probably get in their way with the technique alot. Also they tire faster. I had a bodybuilder in my platoon and he was sort of a weak link tbh. Always hungry and thirsty and not really a good performance in most things that make a good soldier.

I knew exactly what he meant, but his method of explanation was daft to say the least.

No matter what way you slice it, MUSCLE is needed for the production of movement in a strike, because muscle is what creates force.

Yes, there are other factors involved like technique and body weight, I never denied that.  Also, bodybuilders are one of the worst examples you can use for strong people, because they don't really strength train.

If size doesn't matter for striking, why do we have weight classes?  It would be an unfair match up to put a 145lb welterweight against a 220lb heavyweight, because the latter can punch much harder than the former regardless of unscientific B.S like "definition."

[chiliztri]

SMACK64 wrote...

@chiliztri Was that model/outfit just straight up in the game?

Yep, it's in the demo.

Give thanks to Mr. Toast for figuring out how to get your Shep to wear the various casual outfits.

[AdmiralCheez]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Actually, it's her elbows that look really weird to me. They don't seem to be bending like an elbow really would. It's very uncanny valley.

Hence the term "noodle arms."

BroShep does it, too.  Which is why I usually put sleeves on that poor bastard.

[the_one_54321]

On weight class:

As I mentioned before, this is born from the limitations on what you can do in the ring. It's especially more important in boxing and kickboxing because all you can use is direct punches/kicks and nothing else.

[Merchant2006]

Wut the fawk is dis sheet. Honestly, BSN?

[android654]

BrotherWarth wrote...
Well, he just naturally gifted. You can find countless examples of fighters who aren't ripped but dominate other fighters. Chuck Liddell for instance. He wasn't ripped at all, but he could knock guys out like no one else.

He is gifted because he works at it really hard for his entire life, and his body shows that. I'm not that well versed on Chuck but that's because I don't follow MMA.

[AlexXIV]

the_one_54321 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Yeah I'd still take Liara. Blue>Green.

Hair>tentacles.

Well that's like your opinion. I think tentacles may be interesting.

[KBomb]

android654 wrote...


It's ok, a lot of people on here have proven that they've never seen an athlete before.

 
Oh haha. This is so rich. Yes, because I find She-Hulk's bulk unattractive, I have no idea what a female athlete should look like! Don't resort to this kind of sulky behavior just because I think women with muscle mass that akins to She-Hulk is “ew” worthy. I don't want my femshep walking around looking like an amazon. If you do, then fine. Have at your complaining. I don't. Since an “ideal” woman cannot not be agreed upon by an entire society, I'll keep my definition that she shouldn't look like she has sausages on her arms.

 
And if you think the average female soldier—which is what we should be comparing her too—looks like She-Hulk, then really. As if.

Modifié par KBomb, 27 février 2012 - 09:59 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well now I look like a fool. *hides head in shame*

I jumped the gun, i guess it was the the angle or something. So sorry, bioware

Yeah, I wangsted to the extreme, too.  I still have a problem with her god damned arms, the stupid dress, and the buttcrack-window panties, but she's not hyper-thin or anything.  Looks pretty healthy, actually...

... APART FROM THE ARMS.

GOTTA WANGST MORE ABOUT IT SORRY

[AdmiralCheez]

KBomb wrote...

Oh haha. This is so rich. Yes, because I find She-Hulk's bulk unattractive, I have no idea what a female athlete should look like! Don't resort to this kind of sulky behavior just because I think women with muscle mass that akins to She-Hulk is “ew” worthy. I don't want my femshep walking around looking like an amazon. If you do, then fine. Have at your complaining. I don't. Since an “ideal” woman cannot not be agreed upon by an entire society, I'll keep my definition that she shouldn't look like she has sausages on her arms.

I find your narrow definition of attractiveness disgusting, good sir.

[AlexXIV]

Carfax wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

What he means if you punch you punch with your whole body, not just your arms. If a stronger person with big arms would not have a good techinque his punch would ultimately be weaker than from a person with less muscle but the proper technique in which he uses his whole body for the punch. Also at some point a person may have too many muscle. There is a sort of middle ground in which your punching is hardest and fastest. That's usually why boxers look the way they look and not more or less. Bodybuilders are dangerous if they get to 'hug' you but their muscles probably get in their way with the technique alot. Also they tire faster. I had a bodybuilder in my platoon and he was sort of a weak link tbh. Always hungry and thirsty and not really a good performance in most things that make a good soldier.

I knew exactly what he meant, but his method of explanation was daft to say the least.

No matter what way you slice it, MUSCLE is needed for the production of movement in a strike, because muscle is what creates force.

Yes, there are other factors involved like technique and body weight, I never denied that.  Also, bodybuilders are one of the worst examples you can use for strong people, because they don't really strength train.

If size doesn't matter for striking, why do we have weight classes?  It would be an unfair match up to put a 145lb welterweight against a 220lb heavyweight, because the latter can punch much harder than the former regardless of unscientific B.S like "definition."

Well yeah I was just clarifying about muscle and how useful they are. Doesn't mean I disagree with anything you said.

[StonedVolus]

I'm pretty sure the phlebotinum of gene therapy can answer the lack of muscle mass. Besides, with how strong male Shepard is he should have more muscles. Come to think of it, I've come across quite a few skinny people who are surprisingly strong.

And why such a specific title as FemShep in her undies? Do we get to go around the Normandy half-naked?

[Sashimi_taco]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well now I look like a fool. *hides head in shame*

I jumped the gun, i guess it was the the angle or something. So sorry, bioware

Yeah, I wangsted to the extreme, too.  I still have a problem with her god damned arms, the stupid dress, and the buttcrack-window panties, but she's not hyper-thin or anything.  Looks pretty healthy, actually...

... APART FROM THE ARMS.

GOTTA WANGST MORE ABOUT IT SORRY

I'm so embarassed. 

I want to say again, I WAS WRONG AND I ADMIT IT!

[Arppis]

She-Hulk is pretty hot... She's funny too.

[incinerator950]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well now I look like a fool. *hides head in shame*

I jumped the gun, i guess it was the the angle or something. So sorry, bioware

Yeah, I wangsted to the extreme, too.  I still have a problem with her god damned arms, the stupid dress, and the buttcrack-window panties, but she's not hyper-thin or anything.  Looks pretty healthy, actually...

... APART FROM THE ARMS.

GOTTA WANGST MORE ABOUT IT SORRY

Cheez secretly has an arm and hand fetish...

[Syrellaris]

KBomb wrote...

android654 wrote...


It's ok, a lot of people on here have proven that they've never seen an athlete before.

 
Oh haha. This is so rich. Yes, because I find She-Hulk's bulk unattractive, I have no idea what a female athlete should look like! Don't resort to this kind of sulky behavior just because I think women with muscle mass that akins to She-Hulk is “ew” worthy. I don't want my femshep walking around looking like an amazon. If you do, then fine. Have at your complaining. I don't. Since an “ideal” woman cannot not be agreed upon by an entire society, I'll keep my definition that she shouldn't look like she has sausages on her arms.

 
And if you think the average female soldier—which is what we should be comparing her too—looks like She-Hulk, then really. As if.

Something like this perhaps?



This is Ashley Massaro. A prof. Wrestler. She is neither bulky nor to thin. Perfect if you ask me.