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[AlexXIV]

incinerator950 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well now I look like a fool. *hides head in shame*

I jumped the gun, i guess it was the the angle or something. So sorry, bioware

Yeah, I wangsted to the extreme, too.  I still have a problem with her god damned arms, the stupid dress, and the buttcrack-window panties, but she's not hyper-thin or anything.  Looks pretty healthy, actually...

... APART FROM THE ARMS.

GOTTA WANGST MORE ABOUT IT SORRY

Cheez secretly has an arm and hand fetish...

But she doesn't like noodle arms so we are out I guess.

[android654]

Carfax wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

What he means if you punch you punch with your whole body, not just your arms. If a stronger person with big arms would not have a good techinque his punch would ultimately be weaker than from a person with less muscle but the proper technique in which he uses his whole body for the punch. Also at some point a person may have too many muscle. There is a sort of middle ground in which your punching is hardest and fastest. That's usually why boxers look the way they look and not more or less. Bodybuilders are dangerous if they get to 'hug' you but their muscles probably get in their way with the technique alot. Also they tire faster. I had a bodybuilder in my platoon and he was sort of a weak link tbh. Always hungry and thirsty and not really a good performance in most things that make a good soldier.

I knew exactly what he meant, but his method of explanation was daft to say the least.

No matter what way you slice it, MUSCLE is needed for the production of movement in a strike, because muscle is what creates force.

Yes, there are other factors involved like technique and body weight, I never denied that.  Also, bodybuilders are one of the worst examples you can use for strong people, because they don't really strength train.

If size doesn't matter for striking, why do we have weight classes?  It would be an unfair match up to put a 145lb welterweight against a 220lb heavyweight, because the latter can punch much harder than the former regardless of unscientific B.S like "definition."

They have weight classes to make it "fair," but every sport has rules that aren't left up to the practitioners but the people who organize the sport. You can be 220 and have 0% body fat, but your size is a limitation. It slows you down and your muscles do not respond the same way as it would for someone who has trained for that particular sport. You can't hit me if it takes you three more seconds to line up a jab than I do. I won't even mention how ridiculous it would be for someone who's north of 200 to try and roundhouse a 140lb fighter.

Also definition isn't unscientific. That assertion is bulls**t, Definition is merely a lack of fat and an increase of muscle efficiency. If you know anything about sports nutrition you would know that.

[AdmiralCheez]

incinerator950 wrote...

Cheez secretly has an arm and hand fetish...

I have an everything fetish, okay?

Like, I'd need a book to list all of them.

[KBomb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...


I find your narrow definition of attractiveness disgusting, good sir.

 
Finding huge muscles on women unattractive is...narrow-minded and disgusting? Lol oh, BSN.

[AlexXIV]

Syrellaris wrote...

KBomb wrote...

android654 wrote...


It's ok, a lot of people on here have proven that they've never seen an athlete before.

 
Oh haha. This is so rich. Yes, because I find She-Hulk's bulk unattractive, I have no idea what a female athlete should look like! Don't resort to this kind of sulky behavior just because I think women with muscle mass that akins to She-Hulk is “ew” worthy. I don't want my femshep walking around looking like an amazon. If you do, then fine. Have at your complaining. I don't. Since an “ideal” woman cannot not be agreed upon by an entire society, I'll keep my definition that she shouldn't look like she has sausages on her arms.

 
And if you think the average female soldier—which is what we should be comparing her too—looks like She-Hulk, then really. As if.

Something like this perhaps?



This is Ashley Massaro. A prof. Wrestler. She is neither bulky nor to thin. Perfect if you ask me.

Erm pro wrestler ... it's show.

[llandwynwyn]

It's really creepy how people obsess about femshep's look. Nothing, nothing is good enough for some people.

[KBomb]

Syrellaris wrote...


Something like this perhaps?



This is Ashley Massaro. A prof. Wrestler. She is neither bulky nor to thin. Perfect if you ask me.

I'm down with this.

[AdmiralCheez]

KBomb wrote...

Finding huge muscles on women unattractive is...narrow-minded and disgusting? Lol oh, BSN.

Yep.  Narrow-minded.

You should take some life-drawing classes.  Once you've seen enough people naked, you learn to see beauty in everyone.

[Jarlaxlecq]

Arppis wrote...

Hell yeah.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

You know, Babycakes, I provided THE VERY SAME LINK as a complaint AGAINST FemShep's body.  The PROBLEM with FemShep is that she DOESN'T look like an actual athletic woman, but a STEREOTYPE of what is "hot."

Distorted and unrealistic anatomy aside (god damned noodle arms!), how come FemShep gets a lame reskin of Diana's tacky dress while BroShep gets an awesome jacket?  How come FemShep's panties a buttcrack window?

SERIOUSLY.

WHO THE HELL..?

BUTTCRACK WINDOW?!

MORE THAN ONE PERSON HAD TO AGREE WITH THAT DECISION FOR IT TO BE IN THE GAME.

YOU CAN ONLY APOLOGIZE SO FAR.

Look, I'm GLAD FemShep is getting some representation (it's about time), but seriously, let's not treat her like another piece of T&A, okay?  As one of the few strong avatars remaining for women in the gaming industry, she sould be immune to pinup-itis.

That stupid anime statue isn't helping, either.

#girlsplaythisgametoo

(slight edits whoo)

You seem to forget that the current maleshep is also a "STEREOTYPE of what is "hot." and he has the face of a model. If it's really about representing all shapes and size isn't it about time we see someone looking like this chap: One of the fittest people on the world who could take on two Shepards any time of the week?

And don't you think skinnier people would be offended by all of you suggesting that they're useless? This lady is a champion waterskier and aspiring boxer:

Femshep's physique isn't even that "pinupy", she's very pear shaped, one that's not all that commonly represented. I'm not advocating this or that but I don't see why it's such big deal when the game's already finished.

[Syrellaris]

AlexXIV wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

KBomb wrote...

android654 wrote...


It's ok, a lot of people on here have proven that they've never seen an athlete before.

 
Oh haha. This is so rich. Yes, because I find She-Hulk's bulk unattractive, I have no idea what a female athlete should look like! Don't resort to this kind of sulky behavior just because I think women with muscle mass that akins to She-Hulk is “ew” worthy. I don't want my femshep walking around looking like an amazon. If you do, then fine. Have at your complaining. I don't. Since an “ideal” woman cannot not be agreed upon by an entire society, I'll keep my definition that she shouldn't look like she has sausages on her arms.

 
And if you think the average female soldier—which is what we should be comparing her too—looks like She-Hulk, then really. As if.

Something like this perhaps?



This is Ashley Massaro. A prof. Wrestler. She is neither bulky nor to thin. Perfect if you ask me.

Erm pro wrestler ... it's show.

Yes, but they still train you goof. It isnt show to the extreme that they don't have to train there bodies.

Anyway, want a different example?  here ya go.



Amy Acuff. prof. High Jumper Athlete.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Syrellaris wrote...


Strength isn't everything. Remember all that muscle also slows you down, makes your movements sluggier etc. faster opponents might not be hitting as hard against you, but your constant swinging and grabbing to try and get them tires you down.

Its not everything, but technique without it isn't everything either. And ''muscles slows you down'' is the biggest myth ever unless you get into the super roids body builder territory.
I'm a weight lifter myself, when I started exercising I could barely bench 150 lbs with a body weight of 160 at 6'1'', now I weigh 205, I bulked considerably up and now can easily bench 300 8 times, with a body weight increase of just 45 lbs.  And my body fat is still about the same.
I also haven't noticed any other slowdowns when doing sports, I still do lots of semi-professional cycling (50 miles +) and I'm still as good in sprinting.
Muscle slowing you down = lie.

Tired muscles don't protect as good as non saturared muscles. So in short, faster opponents hit more, for less but deal the same damage pretty much.

Why do we have different weight classes in all contact sports? Smaller opponents are a little ( a little, the difference is rather small) faster and may hit more, but it doesn't do much to the heavies, but if the small ones get hit by one full power punch of a heavyweight they're down. Just look at animals, the bigger males always beat the small ones and get the females.
And according to your logic a 100lbs female could compete with a 200lbs male, because shes much lighter and faster and hits him more often and he is slow but strong. How do you think the fight would end in reality?

[android654]

KBomb wrote... 
Oh haha. This is so rich. Yes, because I find She-Hulk's bulk unattractive, I have no idea what a female athlete should look like! Don't resort to this kind of sulky behavior just because I think women with muscle mass that akins to She-Hulk is “ew” worthy. I don't want my femshep walking around looking like an amazon. If you do, then fine. Have at your complaining. I don't. Since an “ideal” woman cannot not be agreed upon by an entire society, I'll keep my definition that she shouldn't look like she has sausages on her arms.

 
And if you think the average female soldier—which is what we should be comparing her too—looks like She-Hulk, then really. As if.

She's not supposed to be an average anything. The story does a very good job of showing that Shepard is the pique of human everythingness. Also, you've shown you don't know what professional athletes look like. Attractiveness comes second to their bodies being built for what they need them for.

Modifié par android654, 27 février 2012 - 10:09 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I'm so embarassed. 

I want to say again, I WAS WRONG AND I ADMIT IT!

AT LEAST WE GOT SOME GOOD SOCIAL COMMENTARY OUT OF IT, AMIRITE?

Frankly, I'm happy that the reality isn't as horrible as I wangsted it up to be.  NOW I CAN RELAX AND BE HAPPY.

[AlexXIV]

llandwynwyn wrote...

It's really creepy how people obsess about femshep's look. Nothing, nothing is good enough for some people.

And I really dislike how people always use this word. This is creepy and that is creepy. You know who was creepy? Jack the Ripper. Don't abuse the word so much.

[KBomb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yep.  Narrow-minded.

You should take some life-drawing classes.  Once you've seen enough people naked, you learn to see beauty in everyone.

 
Lolwut? Seeing beauty in different shape and sizes and people is not the same thing as finding things that attract you to someone. They are not mutually exclusive. Maybe you should take your own advice, dear. Skinny, skinny arms are beautiful. Right?


I might see someone who looks like Gary Busey and can appreciate the goodness and value they have as a human being and all the things that makes them special and unique. That doesn't mean I would be attracted to him physically. Good grief, some people.

[Tsuga C]

The Woldan wrote...
 
And according to your logic a 100lbs female could compete with a 200lbs male, because shes much lighter and faster and hits him more often and he is slow but strong. How do you think the fight would end in reality?

This difference in reasoning clearly illustrates the divide between those who live and train in the real world and those who only play video games. 

*gives TheWoldan thumbs-up*

[AlexXIV]

Syrellaris wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

KBomb wrote...

android654 wrote...


It's ok, a lot of people on here have proven that they've never seen an athlete before.

 
Oh haha. This is so rich. Yes, because I find She-Hulk's bulk unattractive, I have no idea what a female athlete should look like! Don't resort to this kind of sulky behavior just because I think women with muscle mass that akins to She-Hulk is “ew” worthy. I don't want my femshep walking around looking like an amazon. If you do, then fine. Have at your complaining. I don't. Since an “ideal” woman cannot not be agreed upon by an entire society, I'll keep my definition that she shouldn't look like she has sausages on her arms.

 
And if you think the average female soldier—which is what we should be comparing her too—looks like She-Hulk, then really. As if.

Something like this perhaps?



This is Ashley Massaro. A prof. Wrestler. She is neither bulky nor to thin. Perfect if you ask me.

Erm pro wrestler ... it's show.

Yes, but they still train you goof. It isnt show to the extreme that they don't have to train there bodies.

Anyway, want a different example?  here ya go.



Amy Acuff. prof. High Jumper Athlete.

Much better

[LaurenShepard-N7]

 If anything I thought femshep had gotten curvier.

I mean where did that junk in her trunk come from? 

[AdmiralCheez]

KBomb wrote...

Lolwut? Seeing beauty in different shape and sizes and people is not the same thing as finding things that attract you to someone. They are not mutually exclusive. Maybe you should take your own advice, dear. Skinny, skinny arms are beautiful. Right?

Oh, I don't have a problem with delicate little arms.  They're cute in their own right.

I was just, you know, hoping that FemShep would finally get a little arm definition this time around.  So she could, you know, lift the Revenant and not look ridiculous.

Then again, Sheploo has the face of a Dutch Underwear model.  Joke's on you guys, I guess.

I might see someone who looks like Gary Busey and can appreciate the goodness and value they have as a human being and all the things that makes them special and unique. That doesn't mean I would be attracted to him physically. Good grief, some people.

SMELLS LIKE BACKPEDALING

[Syrellaris]

The Woldan wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...


Strength isn't everything. Remember all that muscle also slows you down, makes your movements sluggier etc. faster opponents might not be hitting as hard against you, but your constant swinging and grabbing to try and get them tires you down.

Its not everything, but technique without it isn't everything either. And ''muscles slows you down'' is the biggest myth ever unless you get into the super roids body builder territory.
I'm a weight lifter myself, when I started exercising I could barely bench 150 lbs with a body weight of 160 at 6'1'', now I weigh 205, I bulked considerably up and now can easily bench 300 8 times, with a body weight increase of just 45 lbs.  And my body fat is still about the same.
I also haven't noticed any other slowdowns when doing sports, I still do lots of semi-professional cycling (50 miles +) and I'm still as good in sprinting.
Muscle slowing you down = lie.

Tired muscles don't protect as good as non saturared muscles. So in short, faster opponents hit more, for less but deal the same damage pretty much.

Why do we have different weight classes in all contact sports? Smaller opponents are a little ( a little, the difference is rather small) faster and may hit more, but it doesn't do much to the heavies, but if the small ones get hit by one full power punch of a heavyweight they're down. Just look at animals, the bigger males always beat the small ones and get the females.
And according to your logic a 100lbs female could compete with a 200lbs male, because shes much lighter and faster and hits him more often and he is slow but strong. How do you think the fight would end in reality?

Well the outcome in reality is not set. Percentage base you would say the 200 LBS male will win. Thankfully, it does not have to be.

Also, i think you need to learn a bit about muscles. Its far from a lie.

[KBomb]

android654 wrote...


She's not supposed to be an average anything. The story does a very good job of showing that Shepard is the pique of human everythingness. Also, you've shown you don't know what professional athletes look like. Attractiveness comes second to their bodies being built for what they need them for.

 
So then what is the “pique of human everythingness” and who defines it? You? Since Shepard is a fictional character, how would that even be defined? People in this very thread have posted photos of women athletes who do not look like She-Hulk. Are those women not really athletes?

[AdmiralCheez]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

 If anything I thought femshep had gotten curvier.

*snip*

I mean where did that junk in her trunk come from?

You know what's weird?

I like the butt.  It's not offensive or anything--it's just a nice, toned butt.

NOW IF ONLY THEY WOULD EXTEND THE LOVE AND CARE THEY KINDLY BESTOWED ON HER ASS TO HER ARMS.

JUST SAYIN'.

[android654]

Yes, but they still train you goof. It isnt show to the extreme that they don't have to train there bodies.

Anyway, want a different example?  here ya go.



Amy Acuff. prof. High Jumper Athlete.

[/quote]

That photo is deceptive and was taken in an off season.

This is what she looks like when she's in season.



She has a lot of definition.

[AlexXIV]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

You know, Babycakes, I provided THE VERY SAME LINK as a complaint AGAINST FemShep's body.  The PROBLEM with FemShep is that she DOESN'T look like an actual athletic woman, but a STEREOTYPE of what is "hot."

Distorted and unrealistic anatomy aside (god damned noodle arms!), how come FemShep gets a lame reskin of Diana's tacky dress while BroShep gets an awesome jacket?  How come FemShep's panties a buttcrack window?

SERIOUSLY.

WHO THE HELL..?

BUTTCRACK WINDOW?!

MORE THAN ONE PERSON HAD TO AGREE WITH THAT DECISION FOR IT TO BE IN THE GAME.

YOU CAN ONLY APOLOGIZE SO FAR.

Look, I'm GLAD FemShep is getting some representation (it's about time), but seriously, let's not treat her like another piece of T&A, okay?  As one of the few strong avatars remaining for women in the gaming industry, she sould be immune to pinup-itis.

That stupid anime statue isn't helping, either.

#girlsplaythisgametoo

(slight edits whoo)

You seem to forget that the current maleshep is also a "STEREOTYPE of what is "hot." and he has the face of a model. If it's really about representing all shapes and size isn't it about time we see someone looking like this chap: One of the fittest people on the world who could take on two Shepards any time of the week?

And don't you think skinnier people would be offended by all of you suggesting that they're useless? This lady is a champion waterskier and aspiring boxer:

Femshep's physique isn't even that "pinupy", she's very pear shaped, one that's not all that commonly represented. I'm not advocating this or that but I don't see why it's such big deal when the game's already finished.

Or we could be fair and post the picture of one of the best active heavy weight boxers in the world.