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[DiebytheSword]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

[some stuff, cutting to prevent walls of walls, sorry]

I agree with you on heels for Miranda, Phantoms and Nemesi.  Pure rediculous for combat roles, but you are almost saying that Shepard can not celebrate her own body on her off time.

On "BroShep is also sexualized": False equivalence.  His body is meant to show power.  FemShep?  Sex appeal.  Both are male fantasies.  FYI, I would have toned down dem muscles a bit--he looks a little ridiculous.

On "not everybody is ripped/FemShep's body is valid": Yeah, I get it, but NOODLE ARMS.  COME ON.  THROW IN A BICEP.

On "so the dress shouldn't exist?": No.  It shouldn't.  It's ugly and tacky enough that I feel compelled to remove the choice from everyone else.

On "celebration of her body": Allow me to explain this myth with some well-known funnies.

Female empowerment looks a HELL of a lot different from sexual pandering.  The whole "sexually liberated female" trope has been hijacked as a male fantasy in the entertainment industry.  Go look up why everyone was so mad about the Catwoman/Teen Titans reboots.

Yeah, FemShep's not that bad, but you need to learn to spot the difference between sending a strong and empowering message to women and an attempt to make your dick hard.

If there were women on the art/character design team, I'd cut Bioware some slack.  But there aren't.

There are other body types that show power outside of soloflex man.  For instance, giant bear of a man, like Sig Curtis from FMA Brotherhood.  Soloflex man is sexualizing because its a female fantasy, not because its a male one.

Do I want to be cut?  Sure, but people would prefer a larger build and height on the male fantasy side of things, at least for me anyway.

Noodle arms I agree with 100%, rigging and animations shouldn't be shared between the Sheps, but that is the fault of corporate efficiency not art design.

You speak of female empowerment, I speak of celebrating the female form, two different things my dear.  Celebration of a woman with a tight fitting dress and self confidence to match it are independent of body type.  Sure, being waaaaay overweight wouldn't look terribly attractive, but being plus size does not mean its time to throw on cargo pants and a flanel shirt because you aren't allowed to like your body ever again.

*minor typo edited*

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 27 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[InvincibleHero]

movieguyabw wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

 Realize, the game is gold femshep is not going to change no matter how much you hate it.

Game patch can fix it.  It's not impossible.    Just sayin. 

You realize to change the 3 D mesh/textures means changing animations and perhaps all of the cutscenes too. Yeah not going to happen.

[KBomb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SMELLS LIKE BACKPEDALING

 
That is what I would expect someone to say when they can't come up with an argument for justifying dating Gary Busey.

[AdmiralCheez]

KBomb wrote...

So then what is the “pique of human everythingness” and who defines it? You? Since Shepard is a fictional character, how would that even be defined? People in this very thread have posted photos of women athletes who do not look like She-Hulk. Are those women not really athletes?

They didn't look like She-Hulk, but you know what they had?

ACTUAL MUSCLES IN THEIR ARMS.

THEY AREN'T PERFECTLY ROUND TUBES, WHO KNEW?

Come on, this is, like, Art 101 stuff.  Bioware.  Please.

[android654]

KBomb wrote...

android654 wrote...


She's not supposed to be an average anything. The story does a very good job of showing that Shepard is the pique of human everythingness. Also, you've shown you don't know what professional athletes look like. Attractiveness comes second to their bodies being built for what they need them for.

 
So then what is the “pique of human everythingness” and who defines it? You? Since Shepard is a fictional character, how would that even be defined? People in this very thread have posted photos of women athletes who do not look like She-Hulk. Are those women not really athletes?

Look at John Shepard and then look at Jane. In a physical sense they defined this for John and not Jane. I'm not saying that's the only wasy she could look, but it's much better than what they gave her.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Syrellaris wrote...

Also, i think you need to learn a bit about muscles. Its far from a lie.

I think you should get real and try your strange theories yourself, I have first hand experience that muscles don't slow you down. Reality > Odd theories and myths

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Alex, that's Fedor Emelianenko in case you didn't know.

[KayB1991]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

 If anything I thought femshep had gotten curvier.

I mean where did that junk in her trunk come from? 

if you used the science outfit aboard the normandy it was more or less like that to begin with, i think

[Homebound]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KBomb wrote...

So then what is the “pique of human everythingness” and who defines it? You? Since Shepard is a fictional character, how would that even be defined? People in this very thread have posted photos of women athletes who do not look like She-Hulk. Are those women not really athletes?

They didn't look like She-Hulk, but you know what they had?

ACTUAL MUSCLES IN THEIR ARMS.

THEY AREN'T PERFECTLY ROUND TUBES, WHO KNEW?

Come on, this is, like, Art 101 stuff.  Bioware.  Please.

we could always mod maleshep with femshep's face.

[Unpleasant Implications]

zestyshade wrote...

Oh come on, protect her boobs? If you wanted to protect boobs, you would want a full chestplate with some intricate layering of various types of padding underneath to mold around the breasts and provide support.

Or not, to ensure maximum agility in combat.

S&M? In combat? What are you telling me here? All women in Mass Effect like epic wedgies?

No, I'm saying all people have different comfort zones. Some enjoy things others don't. MAybe women do enjoy your so called "epic wedgies".

There is nothing wrong with a woman wearing a dress, given the occasion. A black night dress is not an outfit most women would wear, and I would hope Commander Shepard is more intelligent than your average SoHo girl on a Friday night.

Now that's simply insulting. And what wrong with black night dresses. On google they seem rather tasteful

You are unwilling to see that females' "desired" qualities are accentuated in video games, Mass Effect included.

Oh, I notice. They don't know how to do it correctly. Then again, Canadians.

[KBomb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...


They didn't look like She-Hulk, but you know what they had?

ACTUAL MUSCLES IN THEIR ARMS.

THEY AREN'T PERFECTLY ROUND TUBES, WHO KNEW?

Come on, this is, like, Art 101 stuff.  Bioware.  Please.

 
If you are talking about the definition of femshep's arms looking unrealistic because of the angle/noodle limp shape. I agree with you. Also, a lot of those woman had well toned arms. Not She-Hulk mass. Come on, AdmiralCheez. You know the difference here.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Hi I looked at the picture before reading the text.

[AdmiralCheez]

KBomb wrote...

That is what I would expect someone to say when they can't come up with an argument for justifying dating Gary Busey.

I don't even know who the hell that is.

But when you say "muscular women are ugly," and then I call you out on it, and then you say, "oh no no no they're beautiful, just not attractive," then you're backpedaling.

And you're still dumb.  And narrow-minded.  Because that's BS reasoning along with your backpedaling right there.

[AlexXIV]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

Alex, that's Fedor Emelianenko in case you didn't know.

Name doesn't ring a bell. Did he kill somebody? Because he looks like it.

[Homebound]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KBomb wrote...

That is what I would expect someone to say when they can't come up with an argument for justifying dating Gary Busey.

I don't even know who the hell that is.

But when you say "muscular women are ugly," and then I call you out on it, and then you say, "oh no no no they're beautiful, just not attractive," then you're backpedaling.

And you're still dumb.  And narrow-minded.  Because that's BS reasoning along with your backpedaling right there.

[AlexXIV]

Not sure if someone mentioned it, but they could just give different body types to choose from. Not that it matters much since we are in armor most of the time. But some games do that. Just like you can pick faces.

[Liber320]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I feel like this thread is an excuse to post Gina Carano stripping down.

[AlexXIV]

Liber320 wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I feel like this thread is an excuse to post Gina Carano stripping down.

And it's a good one.

[android654]

AlexXIV wrote...

Not sure if someone mentioned it, but they could just give different body types to choose from. Not that it matters much since we are in armor most of the time. But some games do that. Just like you can pick faces.

Saints Row did this rather well in the last game.

[Biotic Sage]

Just saw the FemShep model for the first time. Still not even close to being muscular enough for an elite soldier in real life, let alone a larger than life space soldier hero in a video game, regardless of body type. I really don't know how anyone can argue this fact.

Mr. Woo, I know you're with Bioware, so you have to defend everything.  Nice try, and you Bioware guys are usually correct, but this time with the "body type" misdirection it's not jiving buddy.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 27 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[AlexXIV]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Just saw the FemShep model for the first time. Still not even close to being muscular enough for an elite soldier in real life, let alone a larger than life space soldier hero in a video game, regardless of body type. I really don't know how anyone can argue this fact.

Mr. Woo, I know you're with Bioware, so you have to defend everything.  Nice try, but the "body type" misdirection here doesn't jive.

Biotics and ... mass effect fields.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 27 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[TonyTitan]

Muezick wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

I swear, this board....

You wouldn't be satisfied if they let you pick shoesizes

Sheploo player or hollywood indoctrinated drone detected


This is a serious problem that has persisted for THREE GAMES NOW, the people who don't think so aren't aware of how reality works.

Hardened soldier = Has muscles

Foot ball cheerleader = is skinny

Which one does femshep look like?

Let's see....HOW REALITY 'WORKS'.....

Reality is.........Well, there is no such thing as 'Reapers' heading for Earth in 2012 (outside of a video game)....

Reality is......Video game makers create games that do not always focus on 'reality'....Perhaps you'd be more interested in playing something more 'reality based' along the lines of fighting rising gas prices, or fighting global unemployment rates???

Seriously...these 'arguments' over how video games are not more 'real', is ludacris.....Even with how characters appear within them.  It's a damn game...nothing more!!! 

[ncknck]

imo femshep looks a bit too fat now. Could lose some weight.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Not this sh*t again.