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[Unpleasant Implications]

TonyTitan wrote...

Muezick wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

I swear, this board....

You wouldn't be satisfied if they let you pick shoesizes

Sheploo player or hollywood indoctrinated drone detected


This is a serious problem that has persisted for THREE GAMES NOW, the people who don't think so aren't aware of how reality works.

Hardened soldier = Has muscles

Foot ball cheerleader = is skinny

Which one does femshep look like?

Let's see....HOW REALITY 'WORKS'.....

Reality is.........Well, there is no such thing as 'Reapers' heading for Earth in 2012 (outside of a video game)....

Reality is......Video game makers create games that do not always focus on 'reality'....Perhaps you'd be more interested in playing something more 'reality based' along the lines of fighting rising gas prices, or fighting global unemployment rates???

Seriously...these 'arguments' over how video games are not more 'real', is ludacris.....Even with how characters appear within them.  It's a damn game...nothing more!!! 

...My god... You're my new second favorite person on BSN!

[AlexXIV]

TonyTitan wrote...
Let's see....HOW REALITY 'WORKS'.....

Reality is.........Well, there is no such thing as 'Reapers' heading for Earth in 2012 (outside of a video game)....

Reality is......Video game makers create games that do not always focus on 'reality'....Perhaps you'd be more interested in playing something more 'reality based' along the lines of fighting rising gas prices, or fighting global unemployment rates???

Seriously...these 'arguments' over how video games are not more 'real', is ludacris.....Even with how characters appear within them.  It's a damn game...nothing more!!! 

Tbh we hear this alot. But there is a reason why for example humans in ME have for example 2 arms and 2 legs. Just like in real life. Because the fact that it is only a game doesn't mean that any level of ridicule is accepted. No it's not supposed to be super realistic. But people will always pick on things that break their immersion. That means that actually keep remembering them that it is 'only a game'. Because if you watch or read a story you want to pretend for a while that it is a real world.

[Biotic Sage]

AlexXIV wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Just saw the FemShep model for the first time. Still not even close to being muscular enough for an elite soldier in real life, let alone a larger than life space soldier hero in a video game, regardless of body type. I really don't know how anyone can argue this fact.

Mr. Woo, I know you're with Bioware, so you have to defend everything.  Nice try, but the "body type" misdirection here doesn't jive.

Biotics and ... mass effect fields.

Haha.  Well touche sir.  Awaiting Bioware's official "mass effect fields" confirmation on FemShep's non-muscled body.

[DiegoRaphael]

My main problem with FemShep is her duck mouth.

[Biotic Sage]

TonyTitan wrote...

Muezick wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

I swear, this board....

You wouldn't be satisfied if they let you pick shoesizes

Sheploo player or hollywood indoctrinated drone detected


This is a serious problem that has persisted for THREE GAMES NOW, the people who don't think so aren't aware of how reality works.

Hardened soldier = Has muscles

Foot ball cheerleader = is skinny

Which one does femshep look like?

Let's see....HOW REALITY 'WORKS'.....

Reality is.........Well, there is no such thing as 'Reapers' heading for Earth in 2012 (outside of a video game)....

Reality is......Video game makers create games that do not always focus on 'reality'....Perhaps you'd be more interested in playing something more 'reality based' along the lines of fighting rising gas prices, or fighting global unemployment rates???

Seriously...these 'arguments' over how video games are not more 'real', is ludacris.....Even with how characters appear within them.  It's a damn game...nothing more!!! 

Excuse some people for being concerned about the integrity of Mass Effect. 

It's called verisimilitude.  Serious story-tellers and universe-creators consider this kind of important.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 27 février 2012 - 10:36 .

[Sanojio]

OP is stupid. I truly don't think half these people on this board even know what anorexia nervosa is and what it looks like outside of google. Try dating a woman first, much less one whose profession puts those kinds of stresses, like modeling then you'll see this is someone healthy

[Arppis]

Biotic Sage wrote...

TonyTitan wrote...

Muezick wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

I swear, this board....

You wouldn't be satisfied if they let you pick shoesizes

Sheploo player or hollywood indoctrinated drone detected


This is a serious problem that has persisted for THREE GAMES NOW, the people who don't think so aren't aware of how reality works.

Hardened soldier = Has muscles

Foot ball cheerleader = is skinny

Which one does femshep look like?

Let's see....HOW REALITY 'WORKS'.....

Reality is.........Well, there is no such thing as 'Reapers' heading for Earth in 2012 (outside of a video game)....

Reality is......Video game makers create games that do not always focus on 'reality'....Perhaps you'd be more interested in playing something more 'reality based' along the lines of fighting rising gas prices, or fighting global unemployment rates???

Seriously...these 'arguments' over how video games are not more 'real', is ludacris.....Even with how characters appear within them.  It's a damn game...nothing more!!! 

Excuse some people for being concerned about the integrity of Mass Effect. 

It's called verisimilitude.  Serious story-tellers and universe-creators consider this kind of important.

Don't worry, man, FemShep is just alternative bizzaro universe version of Shepard!

[rozpocet1]

What undies?

Edited: Sorry. Didn't know there were new pictures.

Modifié par rozpocet1, 27 février 2012 - 10:47 .

[Arppis]

aLucidMind wrote...

Just thought of something. I remember reading not long ago, a few months back, that the US military are experimenting with mechanical exo-skeletons. This is close to 200 years in the future, so it is quite possible that the armor doubles as an exo-skelelton. In ME1, we had armor mods that improved the strength of a melee stike; in ME2, that was still there but as a minute percentage bump.

If exo-skeletons were mastered, they would allow someone of femshep's physique to perform just as well as a "normal" soldier because they actually would provide a great boost to strength and speed. Modern day, agility would suffer but it wouldn't be surprising if this tech would reach the capability of moving with a human's natural movements without sacrificing comfort. This also explains how Shepard and crew can walk normally on every planet we've been on regardless of how much stronger the gravity is compared to Earth.

With this, her physique is fine; but it still is just a (very good, in my opinion) excuse for it. She should still have some muscle.

I think they are already using this in games. So I guess that explains everything.

[Biotic Sage]

Arppis wrote...

Don't worry, man, FemShep is just alternative bizzaro universe version of Shepard!

Haha You're on thin ice with the FemShep fans on that one.

As for me, I roll FemShep half the time and ManShep the other half.  And I'm really not worried about this issue at all, not worried about it to the point of it negatively impacting my experience.  That being said, I won't support it and pretend that her lack of muscles is doing justice to hardened elite female soldiers.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 27 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[Syrellaris]

aLucidMind wrote...

Just thought of something. I remember reading not long ago, a few months back, that the US military are experimenting with mechanical exo-skeletons. This is close to 200 years in the future, so it is quite possible that the armor doubles as an exo-skelelton. In ME1, we had armor mods that improved the strength of a melee stike; in ME2, that was still there but as a minute percentage bump.

If exo-skeletons were mastered, they would allow someone of femshep's physique to perform just as well as a "normal" soldier because they actually would provide a great boost to strength and speed. Modern day, agility would suffer but it wouldn't be surprising if this tech would reach the capability of moving with a human's natural movements without sacrificing comfort. This also explains how Shepard and crew can walk normally on every planet we've been on regardless of how much stronger the gravity is compared to Earth.

With this, her physique is fine; but it still is just a (very good, in my opinion) excuse for it. She should still have some muscle.

Well, they are also experimenting with Nano Bots, to help regenerate tissue etc. It is indeed not unthinkable that in the near future these type of techs get more advanced.

I think Femshep looks fine though

[android654]

Arppis wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Just thought of something. I remember reading not long ago, a few months back, that the US military are experimenting with mechanical exo-skeletons. This is close to 200 years in the future, so it is quite possible that the armor doubles as an exo-skelelton. In ME1, we had armor mods that improved the strength of a melee stike; in ME2, that was still there but as a minute percentage bump.

If exo-skeletons were mastered, they would allow someone of femshep's physique to perform just as well as a "normal" soldier because they actually would provide a great boost to strength and speed. Modern day, agility would suffer but it wouldn't be surprising if this tech would reach the capability of moving with a human's natural movements without sacrificing comfort. This also explains how Shepard and crew can walk normally on every planet we've been on regardless of how much stronger the gravity is compared to Earth.

With this, her physique is fine; but it still is just a (very good, in my opinion) excuse for it. She should still have some muscle.

I think they are already using this in games. So I guess that explains everything.

Then explain why Jon looks the way he does now.

[BentOrgy]

Sanojio wrote...

OP is stupid. I truly don't think half these people on this board even know what anorexia nervosa is and what it looks like outside of google. Try dating a woman first, much less one whose profession puts those kinds of stresses, like modeling then you'll see this is someone healthy

Try telling that Sashimi_Taco. <_<

Femshep, on top of being absolutely bizarre looking (To match her outfits?) is objectively far too skinny to be a soldier. Or just healthy in general. Ribs, Pelvis, Spine, those are things that should be hinted at, not as plain as if I were looking at a skeleton.

[Giant ambush beetle]

aLucidMind wrote...

With this, her physique is fine; but it still is just a (very good, in my opinion) excuse for it. She should still have some muscle.

Spec Ops must be prepared for any situation and surprises, if the exoskeleton fails during combat because it takes a hit etc. it suddenly turns into lots of extra weight to hump around, if you took the exoskeletons for an excuse to have an underdeveloped out of shape body you wont be able to move and you'll get shot and killed. Spec Ops and top of the line military personnel must perform well under any condition, even unarmed and without the help of any technical equipment - in the case the get captured and have to escape for example.

There is no excuse for being out of shape on the battlefield.

Modifié par The Woldan , 27 février 2012 - 10:50 .

[tmp7704]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

This plea would look quite a bit better if it wasn't essentially used to defend the most stereotypical choices of body shapes for both genders.

If you really want people to start accepting that "different body shapes can represent strength" etc, start actually showing these "different body shapes" in your games. Instead of the dime-a-dozen bulked up males/sexed up females combo.

[Arppis]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Don't worry, man, FemShep is just alternative bizzaro universe version of Shepard!

Haha You're on thin ice with the FemShep fans on that one.

As for me, I roll FemShep half the time and ManShep the other half.  And I'm really not worried about this issue at all, not worried about it to the point of it negatively impacting my experience.  That being said, I won't support it and pretend that her lack of muscles is doing justice to hardened elite female soldiers.

Haha, I gotta poke fun at the "ant-hill" sometimes! 

Yeah, it won't affect my game AT ALL, because I don't play Female Shepard. But I agree with you actualy about doing justice to the hardened elite female soldiers. She looks like fashionshow model atm.

android654 wrote...

Then explain why Jon looks the way he does now.

Do you mean John Shepard? Well... Guess he works out hard to keep ladies liking him?

[android654]

Arppis wrote...

android654 wrote...

Then explain why Jon looks the way he does now.

Do you mean John Shepard? Well... Guess he works out hard to keep ladies liking him?

Considering they're the same person, shouldn't Jane have done the same?

[Weltenschlange]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

zestyshade wrote...
The boob-armor makes very little sense as well and serves only to remind us that this is a woman and for male viewers to fawn over the bouncy bits accentuated by this armor.

Or to protect her boobs.

Oh no, you didn't! <_<

WARNING: NERDAGE/GEEKERY INCOMING!

Boob armor, if it were to exist in reality, would most certainly not properly protect anyone's boobs from incoming blows or projectiles based on the fact that it is structurally inferior.
There is a reason why all fighting women in human history have worn body armor in the same shape as that of their male counterparts and that is because armor is supposed to distribute and absorb attack energy.
Boob armor would be very bad at this because of its shape.

Okay, I feel better now.

[BentOrgy]

tmp7704 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

This plea would look quite a bit better if it wasn't essentially used to defend the most stereotypical choices of body shapes for both genders.

If you really want people to start accepting that "different body shapes can represent strength" etc, start actually showing these "different body shapes" in your games. Instead of the dime-a-dozen bulked up males/sexed up females combo.

We've always known Bioware loves cutting corners when it comes to their assets. Always; I swear they used the same rigs and animations in Mass Effect 1 as they did in KOTOR.

[Arppis]

android654 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

android654 wrote...

Then explain why Jon looks the way he does now.

Do you mean John Shepard? Well... Guess he works out hard to keep ladies liking him?

Considering they're the same person, shouldn't Jane have done the same?

Maybe she thinks that having toned body doesn't atract men as thin body does!

No but seriously, you are right. And I agree. She should.

Weltenschlange wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

zestyshade wrote...
The
boob-armor makes very little sense as well and serves only to remind us
that this is a woman and for male viewers to fawn over the bouncy bits
accentuated by this armor.

Or to protect her boobs.

Oh no, you didn't! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

WARNING: NERDAGE/GEEKERY INCOMING!

Boob
armor, if it were to exist in reality, would most certainly not
properly protect anyone's boobs from incoming blows or projectiles based
on the fact that it is structurally inferior.
There is a reason why
all fighting women in human history have worn body armor in the same
shape as that of their male counterparts and that is because armor is
supposed to distribute and absorb attack energy.
Boob armor would be very bad at this because of its shape.

Okay, I feel better now.

Roman
Centurians/bigshots had ROID armors! Plus, I just think that some
people might have bigger chests, and having hard armor press against
them might be bad. I'm not 100% defending it, but it would just make
women with bigger breasts impossible to wear.

But maybe they could resolve it in some other way...

Modifié par Arppis, 27 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[AlexXIV]

android654 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

android654 wrote...

Then explain why Jon looks the way he does now.

Do you mean John Shepard? Well... Guess he works out hard to keep ladies liking him?

Considering they're the same person, shouldn't Jane have done the same?

John was quarterback in highschool. Jane was cheerleader.

[Aggie Punbot]

Weltenschlange wrote...

Boob armor would be very bad at this because of its shape.

Yeah, wouldn't boob armor actually be more likely to direct a melee weapon directly into her chest (right between the breasts) instead of deflecting it away from her?