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[Hillbillyhat]

android654 wrote...
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See, that's a female equivalent of the male casual wear they should have used.

I could take that but I could see the heels getting plenty of hate for no reason.

[bduff4545]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

Ok, I will for the last time give a summary of my views on femsheps build.

Having served in the norwegian army as a rifleman in a mech infantry platoon, I had the pleasure of serving in the same squad as a female MG gunner. This is a girl that carried a 40 KG backpack, a 10 kg MG3 and 6 kg of 7.62x51 ammo up the longest and steepest f***ing mountain hill in any norwegian military base complex (1 hour constant march continous 35 degree slope) in -40 degrees celcius. She could handle the recoil when firing her mg standing up And I swear she was about as skinny as shep is depicted here. She was also COMPETENT at her job as an infantryman, something our sergeant said he'd never seen in a female soldier.

Because military service does not neccesarily help you build muscles unless you got a lot of spare fat, spec ops actually LOOSE 15 kg of muscle mass during their training regimen due to very little nutrition and overtraining. Many of the big muscly guys actually noticed that as well while i was in.

What it does do is giving you mental and physical stamina, and lots of it, allowing to push more out of what you already have. We call it being indian strong as opposed to bodybuilder strong with tendons and muscles like steel wire.

This so freaking this. Sure muscle is good and needed but you do not need to be completely muscle. In a army you mostly need stamina and simply strong enough to carry a **** load of gear. That is usually put in body fat. Shepard has that lean build but it isn't really extremely muscular. While it could be better its not something that is incredibly unrealistic.

Being a body builder is good for strength but I doubt body builders have a lot of stamina. A bunch of muscle isn't really needed in the military more than stamina.

   this also...thanks for ending the argument.:happy:

[tobynator89]

MsKlaussen wrote...

 This is the same woman everybody thought was too big and manly when she was flexing. Pauline Nordin. 



So again, the other pic was largely angles and exertion, but there is little doubt even in this picture that she is a physical specimen. Which FemShep would absolutely have to be. But it is unfair to make beauty inversely proportional to strength. Pauline has no problems in sexywear either.

thats a bodybuilder/fitness model, you don't gain that sort of tone and build unless you train for it specifically, Army training usually involves training periods that are too long to actually build up your muscles like this. there is no focus on one muscle at a time and no rest periods. mostly its just your legs and back muscles that see minor VISUAL improvement.

[Nima55]

Muezick wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

I swear, this board....

You wouldn't be satisfied if they let you pick shoesizes

Sheploo player or hollywood indoctrinated drone detected


This is a serious problem that has persisted for THREE GAMES NOW, the people who don't think so aren't aware of how reality works.

Hardened soldier = Has muscles

Foot ball cheerleader = is skinny

Which one does femshep look like?

 maybe your femshep, but mine is a nerdy engineer so I really don't see her as that bulked up. also wasn't this all from a mod or is it legit bioware?

[Hillbillyhat]

tobynator89 wrote...
thats a bodybuilder/fitness model, you don't gain that sort of tone and build unless you train for it specifically, Army training usually involves training periods that are too long to actually build up your muscles like this. there is no focus on one muscle at a time and no rest periods. mostly its just your legs and back muscles that see minor VISUAL improvement.

Funny you say that since Fem shep looks like she is attempting to get Chun li's thighs for some reason.

[_symphony]

tobynator89 wrote...

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What it does do is giving you mental and physical stamina, and lots of it, allowing to push more out of what you already have. We call it being indian strong as opposed to bodybuilder strong with tendons and muscles like steel wire.

that's besides the point, it doesn't matter if she looks like a soldier that can punch a Yahg or not. BioWare didn't model femshep like this because they thought this through, because they reached the conclusion that she's "indian strong". BioWare made her like this because she had to fill the "hot chick" stereotype we see everywhere in any media, where skinny = sexy.

The same with broshep, he has to be the "strong male" so he's mostly muscles.

[Hillbillyhat]

_symphony wrote...


that's besides the point, it doesn't matter if she looks like a soldier that can punch a Yahg or not. BioWare didn't model femshep like this because they thought this through, because they reached the conclusion that she's "indian strong". BioWare made her like this because she had to fill the "hot chick" stereotype we see everywhere in any media, where skinny = sexy.

The same with broshep, he has to be the "strong male" so he's mostly muscles.

Even going by your conclusion the last part is wrong. Male shep fits the hot guy stereotype because it just so happens that a muscular guy is seen as hot.

[Hillbillyhat]

bduff4545 wrote...
   this also...thanks for ending the argument.:happy:

This is BSN. Arguments never ends.

[SouzaNZ]

This would please me. Evangeline Lilly had a great physique throughout Lost. A stunning body with enough muscle to get it done and kick some ass, and Kate kicked some ass.

[bduff4545]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 28 février 2012 - 09:16 .

[tobynator89]

_symphony wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

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What it does do is giving you mental and physical stamina, and lots of it, allowing to push more out of what you already have. We call it being indian strong as opposed to bodybuilder strong with tendons and muscles like steel wire.

that's besides the point, it doesn't matter if she looks like a soldier that can punch a Yahg or not. BioWare didn't model femshep like this because they thought this through, because they reached the conclusion that she's "indian strong". BioWare made her like this because she had to fill the "hot chick" stereotype we see everywhere in any media, where skinny = sexy.

The same with broshep, he has to be the "strong male" so he's mostly muscles.

so why the hell is this even an argument? Surely if she was big and bulky people would be screaming ******. I was simply arguing against the people who claimed the build was unrealistic, which simply isn't true in my experience and thus I spoke up about this.

I don't give a rats ass if sheps build makes people insecure and if it reinforces negative stereotypes.

[chiliztri]

Nima55 wrote...

 maybe your femshep, but mine is a nerdy engineer so I really don't see her as that bulked up. also wasn't this all from a mod or is it legit bioware?

It's legit, these outfits are in the demo.

The demo is unmmodable in the way you are thinking. We can't add new outfits, but we can use the existing ones in situations that they weren't meant to be used in. That is the extent of the modding. We aren't adding anything to the demo, that's impossible at this point.

[android654]

SouzaNZ wrote...



This would please me. Evangeline Lilly had a great physique throughout Lost. A stunning body with enough muscle to get it done and kick some ass, and Kate kicked some ass.

This too would have been acceptable, but they modeled Jane after Sun instead.

[android654]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

android654 wrote...
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See, that's a female equivalent of the male casual wear they should have used.

I could take that but I could see the heels getting plenty of hate for no reason.

Much better than the strappy sexy shoes they gave her.

[Hillbillyhat]

android654 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

android654 wrote...
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See, that's a female equivalent of the male casual wear they should have used.

I could take that but I could see the heels getting plenty of hate for no reason.

Much better than the strappy sexy shoes they gave her.

I doubt many on here would care about the difference. If its heels its hate time.

[mauro2222]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Wait, people find the current starving Shepard... attractive?

I find your prejudice against skinny people disturbing. Sorry that I simply don't gain weight really fast. I eat more than most people I know

I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

[Sister Goldring]

[quote]BhelShep wrote...

I could take that but I could see the heels getting plenty of hate for no reason. [/quote]
Oh, they already did! LOL  And so did the shirt (which would be a basic tee) but became something else for whatever reason. I should have known better.
Anyhow, it's just the general idea of a female equivalente to the casual look, with the jacket and the jeans, etc[/quote]

Well I love your femshep casual outfit asymetrical T and all    I would totally use it on my toon and why shouldn't a girl wear heels on her day off......sometimes you just need pretty feet! 

Whereas the stripper wear dress just URGH - NO 

edit - messed up the quotes!

Modifié par Sister Goldring, 28 février 2012 - 03:15 .

[tobynator89]

mauro2222 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Wait, people find the current starving Shepard... attractive?

I find your prejudice against skinny people disturbing. Sorry that I simply don't gain weight really fast. I eat more than most people I know

I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

ugh, I dont wanna repost a billion tiiiiimes

[The Palmer]

If they were going for the "Hot Chick" look, they went in the wrong way. Nordin there is a good example of fitness and beauty, but with the knowledge that the people I know in the military aren't THAT in shape, I'd have to say it's a bit too much for FemShep, though it is a better starting point than whatever the hell they used. Females in the military that I know, are somewhere in between. We all understand that she's a cyborg by now, heavily, far more than Ashley, who has cybernetic upgrades herself, standard issue I believe, but even there Ashley seems more like what I expect than FemShep.

Of course, this has somewhat gone out the window with Ashley's sexy new haristyle as opposed to the "throw it up and shoot some baddies" look from previous games.

Modifié par The Palmer, 28 février 2012 - 03:19 .

[android654]

tobynator89 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Wait, people find the current starving Shepard... attractive?

I find your prejudice against skinny people disturbing. Sorry that I simply don't gain weight really fast. I eat more than most people I know

I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

ugh, I dont wanna repost a billion tiiiiimes

The thing is, they made John look like an athlete and they made Jane... well you saw the picture. That's the problem, the blatant act to make her appear sexy in some fashion.

[mauro2222]

tobynator89 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Wait, people find the current starving Shepard... attractive?

I find your prejudice against skinny people disturbing. Sorry that I simply don't gain weight really fast. I eat more than most people I know

I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

ugh, I dont wanna repost a billion tiiiiimes

I know... You already met a woman, member of the army, who looks more skinny. I could give you a transparent person and you still are going to tell that you've met a soldier with less meat.

She doesn't have arms, at all. She's supposed to carry weapons, and she still has the arms of a 12 years old girl.

[tobynator89]

android654 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Wait, people find the current starving Shepard... attractive?

I find your prejudice against skinny people disturbing. Sorry that I simply don't gain weight really fast. I eat more than most people I know

I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

ugh, I dont wanna repost a billion tiiiiimes

The thing is, they made John look like an athlete and they made Jane... well you saw the picture. That's the problem, the blatant act to make her appear sexy in some fashion.

So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

[tobynator89]

mauro2222 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Wait, people find the current starving Shepard... attractive?

I find your prejudice against skinny people disturbing. Sorry that I simply don't gain weight really fast. I eat more than most people I know

I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

ugh, I dont wanna repost a billion tiiiiimes

I know... You already met a woman, member of the army, who looks more skinny. I could give you a transparent person and you still are going to tell that you've met a soldier with less meat.

She doesn't have arms, at all. She's supposed to carry weapons, and she still has the arms of a 12 years old girl.

It's still the truth though.