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[mauro2222]

Extreme example of what I see...

She doesn't even need an omni-blade, she can impale people with her arms.

[lastpawn]

At some point this post devolved from "what should a female soldier look like" to "what I think is hot."

In some countries men and women serve both. I came from one of those countries and I can tell you, female soldiers do not look particularly muscular. Neither do men soldiers for that matter. Strong? Tough? Hell yeah. Hollywood muscular? Nope. The training is for function, not for looking good with your shirt off. I've also met a few SEALs once, and they sure as hell didn't look like Vega. That soldiers look swole like that is a Hollywood invention, guys.

Modifié par lastpawn, 28 février 2012 - 03:26 .

[_symphony]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

_symphony wrote...

that's besides the point, it doesn't matter if she looks like a soldier that can punch a Yahg or not. BioWare didn't model femshep like this because they thought this through, because they reached the conclusion that she's "indian strong". BioWare made her like this because she had to fill the "hot chick" stereotype we see everywhere in any media, where skinny = sexy.

The same with broshep, he has to be the "strong male" so he's mostly muscles.

Even going by your conclusion the last part is wrong. Male shep fits the hot guy stereotype because it just so happens that a muscular guy is seen as hot.

Maybe, but AdmiralCheez made a point before:

AdmiralCheez wrote...
On "BroShep is also sexualized": False equivalence.  His body is meant to show power.  FemShep?  Sex appeal.  Both are male fantasies.  FYI, I would have toned down dem muscles a bit--he looks a little ridiculous.

I'm more inclined to believe that broshep is made more of male fantasies than female ones.

tobynator89 wrote...
so why the hell is this even an argument? Surely if she was big and bulky people would be screaming ******. I was simply arguing against the people who claimed the build was unrealistic, which simply isn't true in my experience and thus I spoke up about this. 

That's a baseless assumption on what people will say, you don't know how would she look if BioWare tried with a different approach, I would have liked to see BioWare try a different body build.  And your argument may be correct, but that doesn't change that you're just rationalizing after the fact. BioWare used the Rule of Sexy, they didn't rationalize anything.

Modifié par _symphony, 28 février 2012 - 03:25 .

[KBomb]

bah, so much dislike for skinny people.

[Legendaryred]

LoL 31 pages and people still ranting.

[android654]

tobynator89 wrote...
So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

You don't see anything wrong with trashing the main character? She's the main character, she should have a different model than every npc, like John does. She also deserves a casual outfit that isn't ridiculous.

[tobynator89]

android654 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...
So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

You don't see anything wrong with trashing the main character? She's the main character, she should have a different model than every npc, like John does. She also deserves a casual outfit that isn't ridiculous.

john has the same build as every other human male except vega and jacob as well.  Have you noticed that joker and shep are exactly alike for example? even though joker is sickly and weak.

Modifié par tobynator89, 28 février 2012 - 03:29 .

[lastpawn]

Now that I think about it, since male Shepard looks far more muscular than 99% of all solders I've met in my life (and let's not even talk about Vega), I guess there's no reason femShep couldn't be as inappropriately bulky herself.

[Hillbillyhat]

android654 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...
So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

You don't see anything wrong with trashing the main character? She's the main character, she should have a different model than every npc, like John does. She also deserves a casual outfit that isn't ridiculous.

John always had a similar model to everyone else. Even in ME2 the only differences we saw in the model when he was wearing that colonist looking outfit. There his arms were bigger than usual.

[android654]

tobynator89 wrote...

android654 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...
So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

You don't see anything wrong with trashing the main character? She's the main character, she should have a different model than every npc, like John does. She also deserves a casual outfit that isn't ridiculous.

john has the same build as every other human male except vega and jacob as well.  Have you noticed that joker and shep are exactly alike for example? even though joker is sickly and weak.

The op has a picture of it. No one else in the game has Shepard's model in ME3. Jane got poor treatment in ME3.

[_symphony]

lastpawn wrote...

Now that I think about it, since male Shepard looks far more muscular than 99% of all solders I've met in my life (and let's not even talk about Vega), I guess there's no reason femShep couldn't be as inappropriately bulky herself.

I know! unlike femshep's, broshep's cybernetics aren't working, so he has to train hard for not be left behind. 

[Hillbillyhat]

_symphony wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

_symphony wrote...

that's besides the point, it doesn't matter if she looks like a soldier that can punch a Yahg or not. BioWare didn't model femshep like this because they thought this through, because they reached the conclusion that she's "indian strong". BioWare made her like this because she had to fill the "hot chick" stereotype we see everywhere in any media, where skinny = sexy.

The same with broshep, he has to be the "strong male" so he's mostly muscles.

Even going by your conclusion the last part is wrong. Male shep fits the hot guy stereotype because it just so happens that a muscular guy is seen as hot.

Maybe, but AdmiralCheez made a point before:

AdmiralCheez wrote...
On "BroShep is also sexualized": False equivalence.  His body is meant to show power.  FemShep?  Sex appeal.  Both are male fantasies.  FYI, I would have toned down dem muscles a bit--he looks a little ridiculous.

I'm more inclined to believe that broshep is made more of male fantasies than female ones.

Actually its both. Its just so happens that Mass media depict attractive men as those who appear powerful physically.

[Hillbillyhat]

android654 wrote...
The op has a picture of it. No one else in the game has Shepard's model in ME3. Jane got poor treatment in ME3.

Depends on the outfit he is wearing. It for some reason even in ME2 the outfit can change the look of the character model.

[Hillbillyhat]

android654 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...
So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

You don't see anything wrong with trashing the main character? She's the main character, she should have a different model than every npc, like John does. She also deserves a casual outfit that isn't ridiculous.

The main argument toby was making was that Femshep's body wasn't unrealistic.

[tobynator89]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

android654 wrote...
The op has a picture of it. No one else in the game has Shepard's model in ME3. Jane got poor treatment in ME3.

Depends on the outfit he is wearing. It for some reason even in ME2 the outfit can change the look of the character model.

exactly, the character models arent even consistent between outfits.

[mauro2222]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

John always had a similar model to everyone else. Even in ME2 the only differences we saw in the model when he was wearing that colonist looking outfit. There his arms were bigger than usual.

He looks smaller with clothes on in ME3

Play the demo and see his body, and then see the pics of him naked. WTF?

[android654]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

android654 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...
So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

You don't see anything wrong with trashing the main character? She's the main character, she should have a different model than every npc, like John does. She also deserves a casual outfit that isn't ridiculous.

The main argument toby was making was that Femshep's body wasn't unrealistic.

The point I'm making is she's designed as "less than" when compared to her male equivalent. They're the same person, so the treatment should have been the same. If John is going to be designed to look like Ryan Reynolds, then Jane should look like the female equivalent. Same with the casual wear.

That's not unreasonable, is it?

[Hillbillyhat]

mauro2222 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

John always had a similar model to everyone else. Even in ME2 the only differences we saw in the model when he was wearing that colonist looking outfit. There his arms were bigger than usual.

He looks smaller with clothes on in ME3

Play the demo and see his body, and then see the pics of him naked. WTF?

Depends on which clothes though, but you are right. Shepard's models really fluctuate for some reason.

[Hillbillyhat]

android654 wrote...

The point I'm making is she's designed as "less than" when compared to her male equivalent. They're the same person, so the treatment should have been the same. If John is going to be designed to look like Ryan Reynolds, then Jane should look like the female equivalent. Same with the casual wear.

That's not unreasonable, is it?

Meh I don't much care for it. Personally I wouldn't want my female shepard to look like that since not every soldier should anyway.

Edit: Although if you want that then you have the right to want that. Doesn't mean everyone does. Although I doubt the casual wear will always look the same. If that happens you'll get complaints about how Bioware doesn't give a crap about female shepard.

Modifié par Hillbillyhat, 28 février 2012 - 03:45 .

[tobynator89]

android654 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

android654 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...
So freaking what? It's roughly the same model shes always had. As a matter of fact I believe she shares the model with EVERY other humanoid female out there.

You don't see anything wrong with trashing the main character? She's the main character, she should have a different model than every npc, like John does. She also deserves a casual outfit that isn't ridiculous.

The main argument toby was making was that Femshep's body wasn't unrealistic.

The point I'm making is she's designed as "less than" when compared to her male equivalent. They're the same person, so the treatment should have been the same. If John is going to be designed to look like Ryan Reynolds, then Jane should look like the female equivalent. Same with the casual wear.

That's not unreasonable, is it?

It is when you consider that storywise there is NO difference between the two outside the romance option. What maleshep can do, femshep can do. Bioware hasn't "lessened" femshep as a character in any way or form when it comes to what she can do other than the (untrue) conception that her build doesn't allow her to function as a soldier.

Rest is pure asthetics, which is highly subjective.

[Hillbillyhat]

mauro2222 wrote...
I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

You may need to restate that. There are plenty of skinny people some who look like that and they don't have eating disorders.

Plus depending on what type of physical activity your going to be doing the idea of fit can vary.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

I wish there were more rational posters like you toby.

Modifié par THEE_DEATHMASTER, 28 février 2012 - 04:11 .

[mauro2222]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...
I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

You may need to restate that. There are plenty of skinny people some who look like that and they don't have eating disorders.

Plus depending on what type of physical activity your going to be doing the idea of fit can vary.

It was an exagerated example, the main problem for me are her arms. They don't have any kind of meat in there.

[Hillbillyhat]

mauro2222 wrote...

Hillbillyhat wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...
I don't have a prejudice against skinny people, I have a prejudice against people who are supossed to be in shape and they look like someone with an eating disorder.

You may need to restate that. There are plenty of skinny people some who look like that and they don't have eating disorders.

Plus depending on what type of physical activity your going to be doing the idea of fit can vary.

It was an exagerated example, the main problem for me are her arms. They don't have any kind of meat in there.

Which is weird because in her normal Alliance outfit her arms look a bit thicker than what we see in the nude pic. Hell it looked better than ME2 fem shep.

[mauro2222]

Hillbillyhat wrote...

Which is weird because in her normal Alliance outfit her arms look a bit thicker than what we see in the nude pic. Hell it looked better than ME2 fem shep.

Indeed, my brain is bleeding from this no sense

I guess, clothes have mass effect fields wich alter body shape.

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 février 2012 - 03:54 .