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[Prom001]

'You're homophobic because you're not gay!'

well is is true most of the time. ;-)

[Freakiq]

Arppis wrote...
Shepard isn't ordinary man/woman.

She punches Shadowbroker back and all that crazy physical stuff. If she would look like normal soldier build, I wouldn't mind it that much, but look at her arms, they are like two thin sticks! :happy:

When she punches the Shadow Broker she's halfway Terminator though, cerberus gave her the Wolverine treatment. 

Modifié par Freakiq, 27 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[Arppis]

[Violation of Rule #2 removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 février 2012 - 06:09 .

[tobynator89]

Capeo wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Capeo wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

I don't get the obsession with these fighter women.

Why not just model her after her voice actress Jennifer Hale, who looks like a healthy woman?

Because FemShep is a super duper elite soldier.  One that at times has gone hand to hand with a gigantic alien and held her own.  She should look like a fighter.

Many Sheps have biotics, which do not require muscle.  

No matter your abilities cutscenes show her punching the crap out of people at times.  Even a biotic has to go hand to hand in the fight with the SB.  Not to mention even a biotic would still have to meet the physical requirements of being a special forces commando.

You don't have to be a muscleman to be specops. quite the opposite often actually. Its all about endurance. I've talked to norwegian FSK people and they said its actually common to loose 15 kg worth of muscle mass during training due to the enormous strain and non-existant nutrition. All that is required is the mental strength to march 100 km and then not bat an eyelash when you're told to march back again with no reason given. And you don't really need that much muscles to do that, just an iron will.

Modifié par tobynator89, 27 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

WTF?

Seriously...the threads on BSN scare me sometimes.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 27 février 2012 - 05:00 .

[Sashimi_taco]

As i said in the other thread, the femshep underwear model can be triggering for people with ED. I think that a quick fix for this would be just a different option for a skin texture that is not as boney. I can handle the oddly proportioned body, it is the bone definition and illusion that femshep has dropped a lot of weight that is hard to deal with. I'm not saying get rid of the boney skin texture because some people said they liked it (that is super confusing), just let there be a different option. I don't think a different skin texture would take that long, but i'm not a programmer.

[Stanley Woo]

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

[SaY4cT]

She really does seem perfect for the role, and I'm sure she has plenty of interesting things to say, as well.

[Mr.House]

I have no problem with her chest,stomach and legs, but the arms I do. They look like fricken noodles......

[Ziggeh]

zestyshade wrote...

It is unfortunate that a game and company that claim to be more open-minded by having both genders represented in their media, and exploring more controversial topics like homosexuality, sexualize their female protagonist for the sake of fitting in and possibly higher revenues. If you want to be truly above the fold, how about giving us a female character who is not destined to ultimately be drooled over?

It's a shame that a company looking to appeal to a wide number of demographics would appeal to the broadest demographic in their book?

[the_one_54321]

zestyshade wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Freakiq wrote...
You can be chubby without being out of shape.

Just because you're well trained it doesn't mean you can't have some bodyfat.

This is true. But it's not super sexy. Sex sells. Plain and simple, if they made Shep less sexy, they'd lose more interest than they would gain from the folks that are pleased that "Shep looks more real." Sex and media always go hand in hand.

It is unfortunate that a game and company that claim to be more open-minded by having both genders represented in their media, and exploring more controversial topics like homosexuality, sexualize their female protagonist for the sake of fitting in and possibly higher revenues. If you want to be truly above the fold, how about giving us a female character who is not destined to ultimately be drooled over?

Every main character presented in a video game is intended to be drooled over in some fashion. Maybe some of them are intended to be artsy and/or dark/disturbing. Otherwise it's always sexy. Why is this such a horrible thing? I'm not ashamed of being interested in sex and sexy imagery.

[OrbitalWings]

Freakiq wrote...

When she punches the Shadow Broker she's halfway Terminator though, cerberus gave her the Wolverine treatment. 

This is the common argument against FemShep having muscles, but you have to wonder if that's the case - why is MaleShep so muscular?

In ME1 - pre-Cerberus tech - FemShep was still a twig and MaleShep was still ripped - and yet both were just as strong.

It's sad that after 3 games, BioWare still don't seem to know that women are capable of being muscular too - and it doesn't have to be go to a bodybuilder extreme either.

Sure, it's only a game and people do come in all shapes and sizes - but it'd be nice if for once it wasn't always male=musclehead, female=supermodel.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 27 février 2012 - 05:03 .

[KayB1991]

Freakiq wrote...

Arppis wrote...
Shepard isn't ordinary man/woman.

She punches Shadowbroker back and all that crazy physical stuff. If she would look like normal soldier build, I wouldn't mind it that much, but look at her arms, they are like two thin sticks! :happy:

When she punches the Shadow Broker she's halfway Terminator though, cerberus gave her the Wolverine treatment. 

They did but her arms are still bone and muscle besides the additional cybernetics which would let her shoot a claymore without breaking her arm. Still though, desptie the cybernetics she should have some mucsles, not to the poin of looking like the worlds strongest women of course, that would be over doing it.

[Prom001]

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see what i dont get, why care what somebodies sexual orientation is?

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 février 2012 - 06:11 .

[AkiKishi]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 27 février 2012 - 06:12 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

So having femshep have a body type that is triggering for my entire ED group is okay because some people have that type of body? I wasn't aware that boney bodies with showing ribcages was athletic. And yes, I did show it to them because my group leader suggested I show it because I was confused and triggered by her appearance. 

Edit: I would liek to add that all the bodies in the pictures you linked us too do not have boney bodies with rib cages showing. 

Edit2: In previous games femshep's body was much smoother. No bone deffantion in her model. 

Modifié par Sashimi_taco, 27 février 2012 - 05:07 .

[zestyshade]

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

But don't you think it is high time the video game industry was shown a different archetype from lean and skinny for women? We have big men, small men, fat men, skinny men, muscular mean, lean men, ugly men, beautiful men - the whole gamut of different men in video games, yet for women you would be hard-pressed to find anything but 'skinny, lean, and gorgeous' regardless of what they do.

[Kronner]

Stanley Woo wrote...

different body shapes can still represent strength.

Just not physical strength. With those hands, femShep would not be able to open a jar. Let alone be an elite soldier.

[Heather Cline]

Stanly one thing I've seen in that link you posted was that all the females in every single image has clearly defined muscle tone. Sure not super musculature but there is some muscle definition in the arms and legs area. Some have defined abs and some of the women don't. But the fact does remain that almost every woman in those images has some kind of musculature and also almost all of them aren't skinny anorexic looking types of women.

I think the thing people are trying to get across is that the Female Shepard doesn't have any clearly defined musculature and she looks anorexic at best, sickly at worst.

[Wulfram]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

In ME1 - pre-Cerberus tech - FemShep was still a twig and MaleShep was still ripped - and yet both were just as strong.

But there was no indication that either of them were exceptionally strong.  They were perhaps fairly competent hand to hand combatants - at least as long as they stayed away from the Krogans - but they did nothing which couldn't be explained by simply being well trained.

It's ME2 where they started punching Yahgs.

Modifié par Wulfram, 27 février 2012 - 05:06 .

[OrbitalWings]

zestyshade wrote...
But don't you think it is high time the video game industry was shown a different archetype from lean and skinny for women? We have big men, small men, fat men, skinny men, muscular mean, lean men, ugly men, beautiful men - the whole gamut of different men in video games, yet for women you would be hard-pressed to find anything but 'skinny, lean, and gorgeous' regardless of what they do.

Said better than I ever could.

It's fine and dandy pointing out that people come in all shapes and sizes - that much is true - but why is it always the men that have all the muscle and the women look like supermodels?

FemShep is often touted as a very progressive entity in video games, but how can that continue to be said when she is given the body of someone who doesn't look like they could even carry the guns she uses.

[the_one_54321]

Sashimi_taco wrote...
I wasn't aware that boney bodies with showing ribcages was athletic.

Again, Gina Carano is a legitimate MMA fighter. "Ribcages showing" is a matter of body fat percentage. Any athelete with the right body fat ratio will have that kind of bone structure exposure. Woo is 100% correct about different athletes all having different body shapes.

[the_one_54321]

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Modifié par the_one_54321, 27 février 2012 - 05:09 .