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[Atakuma]

BBK4114 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

Not one of those female athletes has very large breasts though.  All the game characters do.  Hmmmm.  

No they really don't.

[OdanUrr]

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

PWN3D.

[Clearly Balkan]

My name is Commander Shepard & I support body of Gina Carano for FemShep.

[littlezack]

I think it's also important to note that femshep is clearly not entirely human - she's had numerous upgrades done to her body over the three games. It's probably not too much of a stretch to say that she's quite a bit stronger and hardier than she looks.

[The RedDevil 84]

Wulfram wrote...

The RedDevil 84 wrote...

Femshep has the body of a marathon runner. Surely someone who is forced to hold her gun straight out in front of her at all times in combat zones should have a little muscle in her arms.

Well, Daniella Hantuchova is a tennis player, and thus uses her upper body quite a lot

Ok but femShep also wears heavy armour. I really don't care anyway, just sayin.

[Burneye Is God]

Demonique wrote...

Her arms are way too skinny and she has no muscle definition

Something like this would have been much more appropriate

In case it doesn't show, it's a gif of cage-fighter Gina Carano getting ready for a pre-fight weigh-in

now that's cool

[the_one_54321]

tobynator89 wrote...

The RedDevil 84 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

Femshep has the body of a marathon runner. Surely someone who is forced to hold her gun straight out in front of her at all times in combat zones should have a little muscle in her arms.

Not really. That just takes endurance. and not a whole lot of it either. I can tell you that carrying this around a day or so is much worse,

Has anyone here done a wall-sit for several minutes? Or done 5 minutes of just strait jabs on a heavy bag? Muscle endurance has nothing to do with muscle size.

You've made a lot of excellent points, tobynator.

[TheBlackBaron]

Demonique wrote...

Her arms are way too skinny and she has no muscle definition

Something like this would have been much more appropriate

In case it doesn't show, it's a gif of cage-fighter Gina Carano getting ready for a pre-fight weigh-in

I seem to have forgotten the purpose of the this thread.

[Heather Cline]

Wulfram in that image of that woman she has lightly defined musculature. Sure it's not super defined but you can see it. Also she doesn't look twiggy either.

Metal Dragon Kiryu actually in ME1 you didn't have much clipping issue with FemShep it was ME2 when the devs got lazy and used Sheploo's rigging/skeletal structure for FemShep that the clipping issues came into play. Also they had very specific animations for LI's in ME1 for FemShep that were triggered properly during hugging and the romance scene. In ME2 they got lazy and didn't put the same quality of work into the animations and rendering of FemShep in ME2 that they put into ME1. So yeah... all these issues in ME2 was due to laziness and not actually putting in quality work for FemShep.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 27 février 2012 - 05:39 .

[tobynator89]

the_one_54321 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...
It's fine and dandy pointing out that people come in all shapes and sizes - that much is true - but why is it always the men that have all the muscle and the women look like supermodels?

FemShep is often touted as a very progressive entity in video games, but how can that continue to be said when she is given the body of someone who doesn't look like they could even carry the guns she uses.

Because some women DON'T look like they can carry a lot of weight, but do anyway. Judging someone's strength or athletic ability by arm size, or any part of their appearance, is not going to end up being very accurate. Each person has their own particular combination of muscle density, tolerance for strain, flexability, etc that all combine to measure how athletic a person is.

I can confirm this based on experience.

I've seen women half my size fighting full out on the gym floor and dominating.

I've seen women half my size firing a MG3 from the shoulder, that is no small feat, like so

[AxisEvolve]

Her boobs are also too small. P/O C'd.

[Arppis]

the_one_54321 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...
It's fine and dandy pointing out that people come in all shapes and sizes - that much is true - but why is it always the men that have all the muscle and the women look like supermodels?

FemShep is often touted as a very progressive entity in video games, but how can that continue to be said when she is given the body of someone who doesn't look like they could even carry the guns she uses.

Because some women DON'T look like they can carry a lot of weight, but do anyway. Judging someone's strength or athletic ability by arm size, or any part of their appearance, is not going to end up being very accurate. Each person has their own particular combination of muscle density, tolerance for strain, flexability, etc that all combine to measure how athletic a person is.

I can confirm this based on experience.

I've seen women half my size fighting full out on the gym floor and dominating.

They too don't have arm muscles?

Modifié par Arppis, 27 février 2012 - 05:41 .

[Capeo]

Heather Cline wrote...

Wulfram and that image of that woman she has lightly defined musculature. Sure it's not super defined but you can see it. Also she doesn't look twiggy either.

Metal Dragon Kiryu actually in ME1 you didn't have much clipping issue with FemShep it was ME2 when the devs got lazy and used Sheploo's rigging/skeletal structure for FemShep that the clipping issues came into play. Also they had very specific animations for LI's in ME1 for FemShep that were triggered properly during hugging and the romance scene. In ME2 they got lazy and didn't put the same quality of work into the animations and rendering of FemShep in ME2 that they put into ME1. So yeah... all these issues in ME2 was due to laziness and not actually putting in quality work for FemShep.

This is kinda off point but the clipping made me think of this.  Hopefully this is just in the demo but I put in the code for one of my FemSheps and her eyelashes kept clipping through her eyelids everytime she tried to make an "expression".  It looked horrible.  If that's the way it's going to be I'd rather have the old stone faced Shep back.

[hawat333]

Stanley Woo wrote...

People are a diverse collection of different genetics and body types. check out this pictorial (warning: athletes in underwear) featuring the body types of many different athletes. You will see that even among those in the same field of athletics, there is a variety of body shapes and sizes.

Sure, every person has their own stereotypes of what a soldier "should" look like, based on historical depictions of soldiers in media, their own experiences, and what have you. But as the linked pictorial shows, people do come in all shapes and sizes, and perhaps we as a media culture should start accepting that different body shapes can still represent strength.

People do come in all shapes and sizes, but a woman who constantly carries a lot of weight in the form of equipment (if it isn't some ultralight material) develops some kind of form. Ok, I don't want a bulky femShep with muscles that make the Goverminator cry in shame.
Just thinking out loud here.
But a woman like that, even if being a skinny type, after six months of not being in active duty, usually gains a little weight. Not being fat, but you certainly wouldn't see her ribcage.
But that's not a big deal, really, rather funny than annoying or anything like that.

Modifié par hawat333, 27 février 2012 - 05:43 .

[Vovea]

The I'd say the character model is the right size but, as others have said, I think that there is no muscle definition. Its such a simple thing that would go miles to giving FemShep look more realistic body. And it's not like like it hasn't been done well before in game; the Sims 3 had a muscle slider but also a definition slider.

Modifié par Vovea, 27 février 2012 - 06:11 .

[TheRevanchist]

littlezack wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

zestyshade wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Freakiq wrote...
You can be chubby without being out of shape.

Just because you're well trained it doesn't mean you can't have some bodyfat.

This is true. But it's not super sexy. Sex sells. Plain and simple, if they made Shep less sexy, they'd lose more interest than they would gain from the folks that are pleased that "Shep looks more real." Sex and media always go hand in hand.

It is unfortunate that a game and company that claim to be more open-minded by having both genders represented in their media, and exploring more controversial topics like homosexuality, sexualize their female protagonist for the sake of fitting in and possibly higher revenues. If you want to be truly above the fold, how about giving us a female character who is not destined to ultimately be drooled over?

A dream that will never happen

They did, actually. Remember Aveline, from DA2?

Don't remind me...most ppl thought she was some hidious viking dude...trolling obvious but thats my point.

She was my dream girl...and Bioware denied her to me....now Ashley got the "treatment"...sigh....oh well.

[tobynator89]

Arppis wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...
It's fine and dandy pointing out that people come in all shapes and sizes - that much is true - but why is it always the men that have all the muscle and the women look like supermodels?

FemShep is often touted as a very progressive entity in video games, but how can that continue to be said when she is given the body of someone who doesn't look like they could even carry the guns she uses.

Because some women DON'T look like they can carry a lot of weight, but do anyway. Judging someone's strength or athletic ability by arm size, or any part of their appearance, is not going to end up being very accurate. Each person has their own particular combination of muscle density, tolerance for strain, flexability, etc that all combine to measure how athletic a person is.

I can confirm this based on experience.

I've seen women half my size fighting full out on the gym floor and dominating.

They too don't have arm muscles?

not neccesarily, like I've stated before based on army experience you'd be surprised what you can push out of skinny arms.

[_symphony]

I'm not going to argue if this is, or if this is not the body of a soldier, that's irrelevant.

BioWare did what everyone else in the industry does, give the heroine a body fit for a lingerie commercial.
I can't blame them, but I wish they went with something different than your typical hot chick.

Modifié par _symphony, 27 février 2012 - 05:49 .

[Heather Cline]

Capeo I'd rather they just use the skeletal rigging from ME1 for femshep again and put the same quality of work into femshep that they did in ME1 into ME3 and into future games with female option to be the main protagonist.

If you look back at Jade Empire the animations for the female's were unique and the romance scenes didn't have clipping issues.

It's in recent years that Bioware has decided to become lazy and not put in the same quality of work that they used to. This is what has me so upset is because when I first played Bioware games they were amazing, now... now they are starting to suck because they aren't putting the same love, quality, and greatness into their games that they used to.

[Ziggeh]

This thread about the issue of objectifying women needs more pictures of scantily clad women.

[BillsVengenace]

Vovea wrote...

The I'd say the character model is the right size but, as others have said, I think that there is no muscle definition. Its such a simple thing that would go miles to giving FemShep look more realistic body. And it's not like like it hasn't been done well before in game; the Sims 3 had a muscle slider but also a definition slider.

OFFICIAL: The Sims 3 better RPG than Mass Effect.

[littlezack]

Heather Cline wrote...

Capeo I'd rather they just use the skeletal rigging from ME1 for femshep again and put the same quality of work into femshep that they did in ME1 into ME3 and into future games with female option to be the main protagonist.

If you look back at Jade Empire the animations for the female's were unique and the romance scenes didn't have clipping issues.

What romance scene? All I remember was a little kiss and a quick fade out. Hell, some of them didn't even show the kiss.

[Vovea]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Vovea wrote...
-snip-

OFFICIAL: The Sims 3 better RPG than Mass Effect.

I wasn't saying that. I was just giving an example of decently implemented muscle textures in game.

Modifié par Vovea, 27 février 2012 - 05:53 .

[ncknck]

Elton John is dead wrote...

 

lol. Yes, this for Femshep. (edit: in case its a woman)

Modifié par ncknck, 27 février 2012 - 05:53 .

[Heather Cline]

It was still a romance scene littlezack maybe not the kind we see today but it was still one and there were no clipping issues.