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[PSBlasius]

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bobobo878 wrote...

CELL55 wrote...

Nice idea, but remember, it sat underneath the protheans for a really long time, and it didn't drive them extinct or conquer the galaxy.

It is possible that the Thorian knew the limitations of its resources and did its best not to draw attention from the protheans, but I suspect that it only learned to do so after others of its kind were hunted down and destroyed on other prothean worlds.

It's all ExoGeni's fault. They found the Thorian and unleashed its spores on the innocent little colony! Being an intelligent plant (you hold a conversation with it) it was wary of outside contact, probably for the reasons you mentioned. It was happily content in its solitude (what did it eat for how long? now that the natural resources were mentioned) and then ExoGeni pops up and starts its experiments. It does comment on Saren's fishy 'deal' that it does not like being 'fooled'. 

So, if nothing else it deteminable, the blame should fall on the evil corporation! ...what a shock! 

[didymos1120]

PSBlasius wrote...

They found the Thorian and unleashed its spores on the innocent little colony!

Actually, it was the people at Zhu's Hope getting infected which brought it to their attention.

[PSBlasius]

didymos1120 wrote...

PSBlasius wrote...

They found the Thorian and unleashed its spores on the innocent little colony!

Actually, it was the people at Zhu's Hope getting infected which brought it to their attention.

I just checked with the Codex of Omniscience ME edition, and it was a small survey team of ExoGeni that happened upon them, but you are right in one that it really was accidential. But they didn't evacuate the colony sitting right above it, they quaranteened them! 

Also, read up on the codex entry on the Throian! It really puts this theory into a new perspective. 

I believe we hardly killed the Thorian to begin with...

[CrutchCricket]

bobobo878 wrote...

I would suspect that any botanical or medical records kept by protheans on the creature wre destroyed by the reaper. But no natural organism is truly one of a kind.  It is populations, not individuals would evolve.

If they were only capable of interstellar travel by hitching rides inside the bodies of protheans, that would put them right where the reapers need them to be in order to stomp them all out.  It could merely be a fluke that only the one on Ferros survived.

You're assuming I refer only to pre-prothean extinction. I'm saying at all. There has never been another reported thorian ever. I find this unlikely if they spread so easily.

The so called "Asari Clones" are not clones in the usual sense of the world.  How many Asari have you met who bleed green?  These creatures probably have more in common with the Thorian creepers than true asari.

Doesn't matter. It can pass for asari and it can carry the spores.That should be all it needs to reproduce.

[Haasth]

I'd be pretty fine with the Thorian still being around honestly. I liked him, and if sparing Zhu's Hope means that I spared the fellow.. Plant, then all the better!

FOR SCIENCE!

[LTiberious]

I'd want more Thorians

[frylock23]

bobobo878 wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...
OP is a natural skill. Most trolls cannot ever hope to become as good as this guy.

You seem to be implying that I wrote this thread to make people mad, but quite the opposite it true.  If I wanted to troll, I'd tell everyone to spare the colonists and than laugh at them when their favorite characters fall victim to the Thorian.  I wrote this thread so that you can all start new playthroughs in which this will not come to pass and be happy.

Hello Man wrote...
That image is exactly the same in one of my biology books in college.
Overall
your theory makes sense.

I know, it's in my textbook too.

Don't feel bad. I've suggested something very much similar - That Shiala having turned green and the colonists returning symptoms were actually signs that the Thorian was propogating itself through the spores and that they weren't actually free of it at all, but I got treated pretty much the same way you did.

See a lot of folks want Shiala as a squadmate and a romance.

[ObserverStatus]

Bungie.Net Sucks wrote...
#1- The Thorian isn't a plant, It isn't an animal, it is a completely alien form of life that has no true precedent on the Earth

According to the codex, you're wrong.  The Thorian, is in fact, a plant.

Bungie.Net Sucks wrote...

#2- Mass Effect 2 dealt with this; the colonists were in trouble with
Baria Frontiers and medical scans, and the colonists were getting sick
without much good coming from the medical world. So apparently the
Thorian's spore were still active. Interesting, but not proof that
anything actually occured involving infant Thorians.

The colonists were dodging the invasive procedures necessary to prove or disprove my theory.  However, I would speculate that the headaches and muscle spasms are being caused by prenatal brain activity in the fetal thorians.

Bungie.Net Sucks wrote...


#3- The Thorian would be able to reproduce with animals native to Feros,
or those introduced (Varren) much more readily than Humans. And don't
say they aren't compatible; the fact that Humans can eat Varren meat
means they are biologically similar enough to allow you to retrieve
sustenance. So there should be more than one Thorian, you know, if it
was smart.

While the Thorian could do this, why would it want to?  Creating additional thorians on Ferros would only increase the odds that it would be uncovered more quickly, making it more difficult to colonize other worlds.  Besides, Commander Shepard only visits one tower on the whole planet.  For all we know, there could be other Thorians on Ferros.

Bungie.Net Sucks wrote...
#4- The previous was assuming the Thorian was compatible biologically with Humans/Varren, but there's no evidence beyond the superficial mind-control that the Thorian can use Human bodies to reproduce.
:3 

The strongest piece of evidence is the Asari Clone's testimony.  She tells you that your body will be used to nourish the new growth. Many plants on earth encase their seeds in fruits so that they will be devoured and ferilized upon excretion.  The idea that plants on another world could evolve to be parasites and nourish their offspring with the corpses of animals rather than their excretions isn't too much of a stretch.

Modifié par bobobo878, 27 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[Bungie.Net Sucks]

bobobo878 wrote...
According to the codex, you're wrong.  The Thorian, is in fact, a plant.

According to numerous people actualy in the game, it is unlike any other living thing in the Galaxy

The colonists were dodging the invasive procedures necessary to prove or disprove my theory.  However, I would speculate that the headaches and muscle spasms are being caused by prenatal brain activity in the fetal thorians.

Needs proof, not bald assertions

While the Thorian could do this, why would it want to?  Creating additional thorians on Ferros would only increase the odds that it would be uncovered more quickly, making it more difficult to colonize other worlds.  Besides, Commander Shepard only visits one tower on the whole planet.  For all we know, there could be other Thorians on Ferros.

Maybe, but still, the Thorian is an animal working on instinct, and it probably would've attempted to reproduce like other living things.

The strongest piece of evidence is the Asari Clone's testimony.  She tells you that your body will be used to nourish the new growth. Many plants on earth encase their seeds in fruits so that they will be devoured and ferilized upon excretion.  The idea that plants on another world could evolve to be parasites and nourish their offspring with the corpses of animals rather than their excretions isn't too much of a stretch.

Again, the Thorian isn't a plant.

The Asari was referring to new growth stalks it has growing through Feros, not necessarily new Thorians themselves.

:3

Again, I love the idea, but it's not really likely imo

[ObserverStatus]

CrutchCricket wrote...
You're assuming I refer only to pre-prothean extinction. I'm saying at all. There has never been another reported thorian ever. I find this unlikely if they spread so easily.

Keep in mind that glactic cizilization as we know it has only been exposed to a single Thorian organims, and only by a handful of colonists.  Before the geth came along, ExoGeni was doing a firly good job of keeping the organism contained.

CrutchCricket wrote...
Doesn't matter. It can pass for asari and it can carry the spores.That should be all it needs to reproduce.

What makes you think that it can carry spores?

Modifié par bobobo878, 27 février 2012 - 09:53 .

[ObserverStatus]

Bungie.Net Sucks wrote...

The colonists were dodging the invasive procedures necessary to prove or disprove my theory.  However, I would speculate that the headaches and muscle spasms are being caused by prenatal brain activity in the fetal thorians.

Needs proof, not bald assertions

As I said, as long as the colonists are not thoroughly examined, this isn't going to happen.

Bungie.Net Sucks wrote...

While the Thorian could do this, why would it want to?  Creating additional thorians on Ferros would only increase the odds that it would be uncovered more quickly, making it more difficult to colonize other worlds.  Besides, Commander Shepard only visits one tower on the whole planet.  For all we know, there could be other Thorians on Ferros.

Maybe, but still, the Thorian is an animal working on instinct, and it probably would've attempted to reproduce like other living things.

This is a 50,000 year old sapient we're dealing with, I wouldn't underestimate cpacity for logical thought.

Bungie.Net Sucks wrote...

The strongest piece of evidence is the Asari Clone's testimony.  She tells you that your body will be used to nourish the new growth. Many plants on earth encase their seeds in fruits so that they will be devoured and ferilized upon excretion.  The idea that plants on another world could evolve to be parasites and nourish their offspring with the corpses of animals rather than their excretions isn't too much of a stretch.

Again, the Thorian isn't a plant.
The Asari was referring to new growth stalks it has growing through Feros, not necessarily new Thorians themselves.
:3
Again, I love the idea, but it's not really likely imo

I kinda like your idea about the growth stalks too, tbh.

[Vengeful Nature]

I like this theory. I wouldn't want to visit the planet the Thorian evolved on. Can you imagine what other kind of horrors such an ecosystem would come up with?

[silentassassin264]

One problem that you seem to have left out. The human body is more than capable of dealing with plant/fungal spore infections. The colonists on Zhu's Hope's condition were no doubt aggravated by the fact that they were continuously being bombarded by the spores. In most cases, once the source of the spores is gone (the Thorian) anyone left would be fine especially with treatment. Spore infections are not mercy kill situations. And this is from a renegade.

[CrutchCricket]

bobobo878 wrote...
Keep in mind that glactic cizilization as we know it has only been exposed to a single Thorian organims, and only by a handful of colonists.  Before the geth came along, ExoGeni was doing a firly good job of keeping the organism contained.

That's exactly my point. Why do we only see one if it can spread so easily?

What makes you think that it can carry spores?

How else are they controlled? And considering they are made of thorian matter, carrying the spores should be no challenge.

[ObserverStatus]

Vengeful Nature wrote...
I like this theory. I wouldn't want to visit the planet the Thorian evolved on. Can you imagine what other kind of horrors such an ecosystem would come up with?

I'm guessing that the Thorian's ancestors were parasitic plants that reproduced by embedding its hosts with its young.  The gametophyte stage would later evolve the ability to influence its host in order to be carried further away from its parent, and later they would be able to control them thouroughly enought that they could be used to clear out other plants that were competing with the Thorians for nutrients and sunlight.

[Homebound]

SPORES FOR THE SPORES GOD!

[The Minority]

You really need to find new things to do with your time.

[nevar00]

Several problems, which may or may not have been addressed in the thread.

1. The Thorian was there for a very, very long time. Surely there would have been more than one around.

2. Which brings me to #2: it was using the spores to control the colonists, not to repopulate.

3. Which now brings me to #3: it's pretty ridiculous to compare an alien plant life to plants on Earth. There's no reason to assume it uses the same spores for both controlling and repopulating. In fact I would assume it wouldn't.

4. Had the Thorian wanted to spread itself it would have already done so, having been there for hundreds of thousands (?) of years and we know Protheans at the very least had been to Ferros.

5. The colonists were infected for some time and would have most likely already spread the spores.

6. Who's to say they weren't checked out for something like this? We know from ME 2 that they were getting medical attention from side effects from the Thorian anyway.

7. The Thorian was fairly had thousands and thousands of years to get to be as big and dangerous as it had gotten.

8. The Thorian is mentioned as being "unique": I took this as meaning it was the only known one of it's kind. And if there are numerous Thorians throughout the galaxy then it would seem most are relatively harmless/unnoticeable.

Interesting ideas but it still sounds like digging for excuses that aren't there.

[ObserverStatus]

[quote]CrutchCricket wrote...
[quote]bobobo878 wrote...
Keep in mind that glactic cizilization as we know it has only been exposed to a single Thorian organims, and only by a handful of colonists.  Before the geth came along, ExoGeni was doing a firly good job of keeping the organism contained.
[/quote]
That's exactly my point. Why do we only see one if it can spread so easily?
[/quote]
Again, I'm guessing that this is the only Thorian on any charted world that survived the reaper onslaught, and the colonization of Zhu's hope was the first time that it encountered suitable prey in thousands of years.  Ferros was dead when the colonists arrived, it's no wonder that the thorian had to hibernate to survive.

[quote]
What makes you think that it can carry spores?
[/quote]
How else are they controlled? And considering they are made of thorian matter, carrying the spores should be no challenge.
[/quote]
Again, it is probably not the spores themselves that are controlling the colonists but the gametophyte type thorian organisms that the spores grew into.  As for carrying spores,  most complex plants have specifically differentiated organs used for reproduction.  The purpose of the creepers and clones is merely to act as tools for the thorian being able to produce spiores themselves would be redundant.  Human hands, for example, are made out of human flesh, but are still not covered with genitals.

Modifié par bobobo878, 27 février 2012 - 10:16 .

[nevar00]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

sorry OP

metagaming Paragon Pansies always win the day.

we don't want the children to feel bad for doing the purported "right thing" do we?

Yes because wiping out a colony based entirely on speculation and assumptions as well as meta-gaming is the
"right thing" to do.





















....oh wait

[KayB1991]

 If those spores were used not only to control the colonists but to also spread about and create more thorians then I will be really upset, especially since i let zhu's hope live...think it's time for another playthrough of Mass Effect 1 just to be on the safe side

[Homebound]

HOSTS FOR THE HOSTS THRONE!!

[InvincibleHero]

Nah the only one at risk is Shiala that could have been implanted with the thorian's "seed", hence her green coloration. I made a thread about it while ago.

The control spore were constantly present due to a live thorian emitting them. The problem ceased with its death. Your theory is plausible if BW chose that route.

I could not choose to exterminate them unless the game specifically mentioned the result would be death of colonists and more thorians to threaten people. That would make P/R irrelevant as everyone should make the kill them determination. So no it will turn out Ok because it has in the past.

[Legendaryred]

essarr71 wrote...

Predicting how plantlife works on other planets by comparing how plantlife works on earth is like saying a turian would like a ham sandwich because people do.

This^