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[maxulic]

Mand0l1n wrote...

The two words are similar but have quite different applications. You really don't understand irony do you?

Here's an example of irony - a man puts a fire detector in his house but it malfunctions and sets his house on fire.

Sorry OP for derailing this topic

You seem not to understand the meaning of irony, which is saying something by saying its contrary.

It has been raining cats and dogs the whole day... "What a beautiful day we had", irony.

Most people are already aware that you can cloak to disable stuffs hence we are not discovering it... "No way?!", irony.

[ncknck]

WalkingBartie wrote...

I'm sure most people using infiltrators have discovered this by now.

not really................

[Mand0l1n]

I give up

[maxulic]

Mand0l1n wrote...

I give up

That's the best thing to do when you want to act clever and instead makes a fool of yourself.

Oh the irony.

Modifié par maxulic, 27 février 2012 - 08:12 .

[Mand0l1n]

You misunderstand - you're examples were not irony. I give up because its like talking to a brick wall.

[maxulic]

Mand0l1n wrote...

You misunderstand - you're examples were not irony. I give up because its like talking to a brick wall.

http://dictionary.re...om/browse/irony

- the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

- a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.


Still not sure which part of the definition you can't understand... And I am the brick wall? Says the guy insisting that irony and sarcasm are not the same thing when both are synonyms.

Modifié par maxulic, 27 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[Mand0l1n]

maxulic wrote...

Mand0l1n wrote...

You misunderstand - you're examples were not irony. I give up because its like talking to a brick wall.

http://dictionary.re...om/browse/irony

- the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

- a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.


Still not sure which part of the definition you can't understand... And I am the brick wall? Says the guy insisting that irony and sarcasm are not the same thing when both are synonyms.

*Sigh*  - the differences are subtle. Dont feel to bad - lots of people dont get it.

[wirelesstkd]

There are different kinds of irony. But sarcasm is most definitely a form of verbal irony. Dramatic irony and irony of situation being the other kind (situation would be the example of the fire alarm that causes a fire, with dramatic irony is like the audience knowing that Saren is a traitor, but Shepard and his crew not finding out until later).

[maxulic]

Mand0l1n wrote...

maxulic wrote...

Mand0l1n wrote...

You misunderstand - you're examples were not irony. I give up because its like talking to a brick wall.

http://dictionary.re...om/browse/irony

- the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

- a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.


Still not sure which part of the definition you can't understand... And I am the brick wall? Says the guy insisting that irony and sarcasm are not the same thing when both are synonyms.

*Sigh*  - the differences are subtle. Dont feel to bad - lots of people dont get it.

I wonder if I am the one feeling bad... For someone who was supposed to give up you seem quite concerned.

[Mand0l1n]

....must get the last word.....

[Zing Freelancer]

Zall wrote...

You can cloak while deactivating the reaper devices.

You're welcome.

Give me a clear line of sight + a ammo create and you will never see an enemy again.

[UK Wildcat]

Dear Vanguards,

If you didn't charge into the open and get insta-gibbed by phantoms I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

Dear Soldiers,

If you brought any useful talents to multiplayer, and didn't get insta-gibbed by phantoms I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

Dear Sentinels,

If you weren't gimped adepts, and could actually contribute without thinking you can tank on gold because you have crappy tech armor, and get insta-gibbed by phantoms I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

Dear Engineers,

Your rocket turrets are crap. If you could kill anyone and not get insta-gibbed by phantoms I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

Dear Non-Asari Adepts,

Re-roll Asari. Seriously. Do you even know how to use singularity? All I know is that you getinsta-gibbed by phantoms, and if you didn't I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

Dear Asari Adepts,

If you would spend time using your Stasis, and selecting bubble and not random +damage or other stupid talents, and then avoid getting insta-gibbed by phantoms I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

Dear Other Infiltrators,

Don't use the widow on gold, UNLESS you are supremely effective at killing multiple targets at once, and shooting targets that matter through walls, and know how to rapidly kill an Atlas. Or just be smart and grab a Carnifex or another Sniper Rifle.

Also, when the other bads die for horrible reasons, your job is to cloak and res them. Also, If you charge into the open and get insta-gibbed by phantoms I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

[Maria Caliban]

Mand0l1n wrote...

Facetiousness?

It depends on how you read intent or attitude. On the internet, it's much easier to read a statement as sarcastic as you don't know the other person.

UK Wildcat wrote...

Dear Vanguards,

If you didn't charge into the open and get insta-gibbed by phantoms I wouldn't have to meticulously select the best loadouts, equipment, talents and have to play perfectly to complete otherwise simple objectives.

I charge Phantoms because Charge -> Nova -> Shoot -> Charge kills them. I've never been killed by a phantom while doing this.

Also, if it irritates you that vanguards constantly charge, remember that charging brings their barriers up to 100%. If my barriers are gone, charging into the middle of a group or to a powerful enemy is tactically sound, even if it ends poorly.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[TexasToast712]

FoxholeHunter wrote...

We know but that Krogan always gets there first and is determined to do it while we stand gaurd over there fat ***.

^^^^
Infiltrator mad he can't tank like a krogan.

[KreeCapt]

FoxholeHunter wrote...

We know but that Krogan always gets there first and is determined to do it while we stand gaurd over there fat ***.

+1

[Maria Caliban]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Mand0l1n wrote...

Actually not irony more like sarcasm.

It's actually neither.

Let's break down word usage!

Zall started a thread to give information that maxullic sees as obvious. Maxullic responds with:

[irony]No way?![/irony]

'No way?!' if sincere, indicates that the speaker didn't possess that information and is shocked/outraged/surprised. He then helpfully supplies the '[irony]' tags to indicate that this isn't what he truly feels.
Maxullic is mocking Zall for telling us something obvious. The '?!' elevates the tone from amusement to something a bit more aggressive.

First off, is this irony? There are a number of different definitions for the term. One of them is a statement that means the opposite of what says. Sincerely, 'no way?!' conveys that the information was new, but what Maxullic meant was that the information was old and was so obvious as to not be repeated.
If you are a strong descriptivist, Maxullic was correct and his statement was ironic. The litmus test for a strong descriptivist is whether or not people understand your use of the word. If most of your audience gets what you mean, then the word means whatever you've used it to mean.

Most people aren't strong descriptivists though. In fact, if you care about language enough to correct someone's on a video game message board, you're very likely a proscriptivist. And if you're a modern prosciptivist, few things likely bother you as much as 1) the word irregardless, and 2)misuse of the words ironic or irony.

I know a fellow who refuses to see any use of the word 'ironic' as correct outside of a fiction. Irony is a dramatic device to him.

That you can find what I'll call casual irony defined in a dictionary isn't evidence that your use of 'irony' is right, but evidence that English language speakers are sloppy with their language. In a world in which people use 'there' when they mean 'their, ' it's not surprising that dictionaries are largely giving up the battle.

[UK Wildcat]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Also, if it irritates you that vanguards constantly charge, remember that charging brings their barriers up to 100%. If my barriers are gone, charging into the middle of a group or to a powerful enemy is tactically sound, even if it ends poorly.

Dear Maria,

I was simply criticising every class in an attempt to be humorous, but also to point out that anyone could be good if they avoided simple mistakes. 

I will certainly admit that there are great vanguards, just like there are great members of every class.  My first level 20 is a Vanguard, I love playing him.  I clear gold with him, have a great time, took intelligent talents, and made sure not to play as drell

Sincerely,
UK Wildcat

Modifié par UK Wildcat, 27 février 2012 - 09:08 .

[Mand0l1n]

Maria - informative post. I bow to your superior wisdom.

[Mand0l1n]

P.s

Maria - given the nature of our discussion I would like to clarify that my last comment was meant sincerely and should not be interpreted as sarcastic, facetious or heaven forbid ironic!

[count_4]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Maxullic was correct and his statement was ironic

As you correctly brought up, the '!?' gave it a more aggressive tone. And that's exactly the difference between irony and sarcasm. 
Sarcasm is simply a more aggressive and dismissive form of irony and Maxullics statement, for me, falls into this category.

Modifié par count_4, 27 février 2012 - 09:55 .

[Lord Exar]

Maria Caliban wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Mand0l1n wrote...

Actually not irony more like sarcasm.

It's actually neither.

Let's break down word usage!

Zall started a thread to give information that maxullic sees as obvious. Maxullic responds with:

[irony]No way?![/irony]

'No way?!' if sincere, indicates that the speaker didn't possess that information and is shocked/outraged/surprised. He then helpfully supplies the '[irony]' tags to indicate that this isn't what he truly feels.
Maxullic is mocking Zall for telling us something obvious. The '?!' elevates the tone from amusement to something a bit more aggressive.

First off, is this irony? There are a number of different definitions for the term. One of them is a statement that means the opposite of what says. Sincerely, 'no way?!' conveys that the information was new, but what Maxullic meant was that the information was old and was so obvious as to not be repeated.
If you are a strong descriptivist, Maxullic was correct and his statement was ironic. The litmus test for a strong descriptivist is whether or not people understand your use of the word. If most of your audience gets what you mean, then the word means whatever you've used it to mean.

Most people aren't strong descriptivists though. In fact, if you care about language enough to correct someone's on a video game message board, you're very likely a proscriptivist. And if you're a modern prosciptivist, few things likely bother you as much as 1) the word irregardless, and 2)misuse of the words ironic or irony.

I know a fellow who refuses to see any use of the word 'ironic' as correct outside of a fiction. Irony is a dramatic device to him.

That you can find what I'll call casual irony defined in a dictionary isn't evidence that your use of 'irony' is right, but evidence that English language speakers are sloppy with their language. In a world in which people use 'there' when they mean 'their, ' it's not surprising that dictionaries are largely giving up the battle.

This message board needs a rep system.  If there was, I would give you positive rep for this.  Thank you.

+1 to you! 

[jimmyw404]

Mand0l1n wrote...

The two words are similar but have quite different applications. You really don't understand irony do you?

Here's an example of irony - a man puts a fire detector in his house but it malfunctions and sets his house on fire.

Sorry OP for derailing this topic

Irony: Poster trying to define irony but erroneously assuming that their definition is the only definition and thus getting it wrong.

[Sabbatine]

Zall wrote...

You can cloak while deactivating the reaper devices.

You're welcome.

No you can't.  You have to cloak before you start deactivating the device.  

[Mand0l1n]

Jimmyw404 - you're right. I admit it I overstated my case and in doing so provided a great example of irony. The fact is most people would not use the word irony in the context that maxulic used it. His tone was definitely sarcastic which irked me as it felt wrong to me to mock the original poster who was trying to pass on some well meaning advice.

[Dark Eff3ct]

... I don't beleive you.