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[Thoragoros]

ttchip wrote...

Adragalus wrote...
One of the screenshots for From Dust has Shepard & co. fighting what are clearly Collectors, so... is.

We know the features of 'From Ashes'. Collector enemies for MP do not belong to them.
Check for yourself if you don't believe me.

Wait...so we get a 50000 to 250000 year old Prothean team member? The heck...

Sounds cool overall though, especially those alternate appearances.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Thoragoros wrote...

ttchip wrote...

Adragalus wrote...
One of the screenshots for From Dust has Shepard & co. fighting what are clearly Collectors, so... is.

We know the features of 'From Ashes'. Collector enemies for MP do not belong to them.
Check for yourself if you don't believe me.

Wait...so we get a 50000 to 250000 year old Prothean team member? The heck...

Sounds cool overall though, especially those alternate appearances.

I was wondering that myself... How the hell would he survive? Was he still alive on Ilos in the secret facility perhaps and was reawoken after Vigil was destroyed and only been alive for a few years since then? 

[Adragalus]

Nevermind, link fixed.

Modifié par Adragalus, 27 février 2012 - 09:35 .

[Beatrix Tair]

 Collectors

[Adragalus]

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

I did look just saying that it would be in the Devs best interests to create as many enemy factions as possible to keep the MP fresh...

Also I would like to point out how it's logicla that thre will be a wide variaety of missions... How are human soldiers going to hack into a GETH database (it was mentioned in ME2 that if you hack one program the others auto-corrected...) let alone a REAPER database... Also since whne were "Cannibals" and "Husks" ever considered "High Level Enemy personell" they're not... they are slaves to the reapers... Lastly why would Geth need communication arrays? Sorry byut having these missions in MP for the synthetic race factions would make absolutely zero sense...

On Tali's loyalty mission? I think the researcher was referring to attempts to hack into the geth neural network itself. I'd imagine that the missions to hack data storage nodes in MP would be possible, especially given new data about the geth.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Adragalus wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

I did look just saying that it would be in the Devs best interests to create as many enemy factions as possible to keep the MP fresh...

Also I would like to point out how it's logicla that thre will be a wide variaety of missions... How are human soldiers going to hack into a GETH database (it was mentioned in ME2 that if you hack one program the others auto-corrected...) let alone a REAPER database... Also since whne were "Cannibals" and "Husks" ever considered "High Level Enemy personell" they're not... they are slaves to the reapers... Lastly why would Geth need communication arrays? Sorry byut having these missions in MP for the synthetic race factions would make absolutely zero sense...

On Tali's loyalty mission? I think the researcher was referring to attempts to hack into the geth neural network itself. I'd imagine that the missions to hack data storage nodes in MP would be possible, especially given new data about the geth.

The geth aren't idiots new information about the geth will be fixed by the geth easily... they are a very intillectual race and in any realistic universe a race such as the Geth would fix any kinds of weakness. In the words of Legion: "Windows are structural weaknesses... Geth do not use them" 

[Adragalus]

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

Adragalus wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

I did look just saying that it would be in the Devs best interests to create as many enemy factions as possible to keep the MP fresh...

Also I would like to point out how it's logicla that thre will be a wide variaety of missions... How are human soldiers going to hack into a GETH database (it was mentioned in ME2 that if you hack one program the others auto-corrected...) let alone a REAPER database... Also since whne were "Cannibals" and "Husks" ever considered "High Level Enemy personell" they're not... they are slaves to the reapers... Lastly why would Geth need communication arrays? Sorry byut having these missions in MP for the synthetic race factions would make absolutely zero sense...

On Tali's loyalty mission? I think the researcher was referring to attempts to hack into the geth neural network itself. I'd imagine that the missions to hack data storage nodes in MP would be possible, especially given new data about the geth.

The geth aren't idiots new information about the geth will be fixed by the geth easily... they are a very intillectual race and in any realistic universe a race such as the Geth would fix any kinds of weakness. In the words of Legion: "Windows are structural weaknesses... Geth do not use them" 

Listen to the cyberwarfare researchers on the Alarei, they specifically state that they've made breakthorughs with systemic viral attacks. This suggests that the geth can't fix or defend against everything perfectly.

Moreover, my main point was that you're hacking a local storage node and not the entirety of the geth network.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Adragalus wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

Adragalus wrote...

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

I did look just saying that it would be in the Devs best interests to create as many enemy factions as possible to keep the MP fresh...

Also I would like to point out how it's logicla that thre will be a wide variaety of missions... How are human soldiers going to hack into a GETH database (it was mentioned in ME2 that if you hack one program the others auto-corrected...) let alone a REAPER database... Also since whne were "Cannibals" and "Husks" ever considered "High Level Enemy personell" they're not... they are slaves to the reapers... Lastly why would Geth need communication arrays? Sorry byut having these missions in MP for the synthetic race factions would make absolutely zero sense...

On Tali's loyalty mission? I think the researcher was referring to attempts to hack into the geth neural network itself. I'd imagine that the missions to hack data storage nodes in MP would be possible, especially given new data about the geth.

The geth aren't idiots new information about the geth will be fixed by the geth easily... they are a very intillectual race and in any realistic universe a race such as the Geth would fix any kinds of weakness. In the words of Legion: "Windows are structural weaknesses... Geth do not use them" 

Listen to the cyberwarfare researchers on the Alarei, they specifically state that they've made breakthorughs with systemic viral attacks. This suggests that the geth can't fix or defend against everything perfectly.

Moreover, my main point was that you're hacking a local storage node and not the entirety of the geth network.

True but even if that is so Geth decryption would take longer than others and the point on the Reaper objectives still speaks for itself. There are literally NO high ranking personel in the Reaper Army other than the Reapers themselves. The rest are just a means to an end... that end being your end... and if Geth are hard to hack and attack then Reapers-the most technologically advanced species known in the ME Universe has got to be nigh on impossible...

Also what made the Reapers think that they wanted to creat ethis cycle? Did Harbigner just think:

"I'm bored lets sleep in Dark Space for 50,000 years and wait and then we can wake up and destroy anyone stupid enough to discover our relays... that'll pass the time.... damned immortality..."

Modifié par TheMightyG00sh, 27 février 2012 - 09:48 .

[Adragalus]

I think the Cycle business is because (A) the Reaper's motives are pretty much beyond out comprehension as mortal organic beings and ( they need energy. Even while hibernating in dark space, they use up energy, and would eventually starve, for lack of a better term.

[Nektos]

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

[TheMightyG00sh]

Nektos wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

Legion infiltrated the Reaper vessel... they aren't known for it as they are feared but yes outside of the Perseus Veil infiltration teams are used by the Geth.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Adragalus wrote...

I think the Cycle business is because (A) the Reaper's motives are pretty much beyond out comprehension as mortal organic beings and ( they need energy. Even while hibernating in dark space, they use up energy, and would eventually starve, for lack of a better term.

Great points... to be fair the second optioni s the most likely when you think about. Hibernation conserves energy but it still does USE it and if your hibernating for 50,000 years you will be still be wasting more energy then you have meaning you would need to purge an entire galaxy to refuel yourself so you don't "Starve" though a more likely consequence would be a complete systems failures (when Humans starve the brain takes all of the energy leaving lesser organs and limbs with restricted amount if any at all... because of this the body shuts down whilst remaining somewhat active. This is what is more commonly known as a coma (the brain "hibernates" and the body is left lifeless... only kept alive by medical equipment) extended periods of this state WILL result in death...the brain can conserve energy but even conserved energy runs out...

[Adragalus]

TheMightyG00sh wrote...

Nektos wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

Legion infiltrated the Reaper vessel... they aren't known for it as they are feared but yes outside of the Perseus Veil infiltration teams are used by the Geth.

It's a joke from ME2. If you try to bring Legion onto the Citadel, the security agent says there's risk of geth infiltration. Legion replies with "Geth do not infiltrate," Shepard shoots him a look, and Legion says "Geth do not intentionally infiltrate."

www.youtube.com/watch

[Thoragoros]

Adragalus wrote...

I think the Cycle business is because (A) the Reaper's motives are pretty much beyond out comprehension as mortal organic beings and ( they need energy. Even while hibernating in dark space, they use up energy, and would eventually starve, for lack of a better term.

Hmm...I had often wondered about Reaper motives, and 'Energy' certainly is one that actually seems plausible, especially considering that the only concrete motive we've heard so far usually reduces down to some Orwellian phrasing of "They just want to destroy the galaxy for lulz."  Or that the destructive process is some form of Reaper-reproduction, which only raises further energy needs/questions as more Reapers are produced and therefore the energy needs are further compounded.

But yes, even in extended hibernation the Reapers would require comparatively massive amounts of energy to sustain themselves.  However, since the Reapers also want to pursue new technology rather than just 'survive,' they need intelligent organics, since being Super-AIs the Reapers most likely lake the creative-mechanisms to 'imagine' new technologies, hence their need for new Intelligent Life to develope and create new technologies, which they then absorb along with the energy provided by the organic materials.

But that still raises these Calorie-Deficiency problem.  Calloric based heat energy is exceptionally inefficent as a power source.  So..wouldn't it be more likely that the Reapers, even when fighting a disorganized enemy, would end up expending more energy then they are taking in?

Unless, as in the Matrix, the Reapers are combining the Caloric energy with a 'type of fusion?'  But what type of Fusion could possibly 'turn less into more' in order to gain more from the caloric energy than it actually produces?  Unless the Reapers have developed/absobred some kind of technology that could achieve/fuel some form of 'quantantive-distribution' the likes of which were present at the Big Bang, in which certain forms of dark-matter 'blinked' in and out of existence forming the material universe we know today? 

In which case the history of the Reapers could be linked back to the very origins of the galaxy itself!  Oh my, this is getting interesting!

Modifié par Thoragoros, 28 février 2012 - 06:40 .

[ZweiWing]

Beatrix Tair wrote...

 Collectors

Hate to rain on your parade, but NONE of the screenshots on that page depict multiplayer.

[KadianK]

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

I support this...

System Protocal, dictates that I must comprehend the Geth knowledge.
Hail Geth.

[marshalleck]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Who will we be able to play as in multi player then?

I just...what? Do you realize the MP demo has been available for like two weeks now?

[Geimhreadh]

Nektos wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

Glad I'm not the only one that thought of that, sad that someone else beat me to it.

[Hiroaki]

Thoragoros wrote...

Adragalus wrote...

I think the Cycle business is because (A) the Reaper's motives are pretty much beyond out comprehension as mortal organic beings and ( they need energy. Even while hibernating in dark space, they use up energy, and would eventually starve, for lack of a better term.

Hmm...I had often wondered about Reaper motives, and 'Energy' certainly is one that actually seems plausible, especially considering that the only concrete motive we've heard so far usually reduces down to some Orwellian phrasing of "They just want to destroy the galaxy for lulz."  Or that the destructive process is some form of Reaper-reproduction, which only raises further energy needs/questions as more Reapers are produced and therefore the energy needs are further compounded.

But yes, even in extended hibernation the Reapers would require comparatively massive amounts of energy to sustain themselves.  However, since the Reapers also want to pursue new technology rather than just 'survive,' they need intelligent organics, since being Super-AIs the Reapers most likely lake the creative-mechanisms to 'imagine' new technologies, hence their need for new Intelligent Life to develope and create new technologies, which they then absorb along with the energy provided by the organic materials.

But that still raises these Calorie-Deficiency problem.  Calloric based heat energy is exceptionally inefficent as a power source.  So..wouldn't it be more likely that the Reapers, even when fighting a disorganized enemy, would end up expending more energy then they are taking in?

Unless, as in the Matrix, the Reapers are combining the Caloric energy with a 'type of fusion?'  But what type of Fusion could possibly 'turn less into more' in order to gain more from the caloric energy than it actually produces?  Unless the Reapers have developed/absobred some kind of technology that could achieve/fuel some form of 'quantantive-distribution' the likes of which were present at the Big Bang, in which certain forms of dark-matter 'blinked' in and out of existence forming the material universe we know today? 

In which case the history of the Reapers could be linked back to the very origins of the galaxy itself!  Oh my, this is getting interesting!

 
Some simple considerations

-As a "species" they just consume because it's their nature to?

-They are on the hunt for technology more advanced than their own (but that wouldn't explain the destruction, unless of course the reapers are actually dumber than current civilization, and they got lucky stealing tech which leads to the above).

-A resource they are after is very rare.. diamonds perhaps?  These could be located with the right technology even through utter destruction.

-I always thought that the hive mind from Ender's Game was the ultimate bad guy, because it wasn't actually bad at all, just communication and understanding issues between species was bad.

-if they rip off "The Flood' from Halo, I wouldn't be surprised in this cliche ridden franchise (a cliche of a cliche).  The Flood just took over the minds of its species and procreated like that.

-Venom, from spider man, was actually an Alien symbiote like that.  Interesting tidbit of info even though I don't read comics I always thought that was hella interesting,.

-They were almost extinct due to another race doing the same thing to them, so they decided to preemptively strike the universe.

Modifié par Hiroaki, 28 février 2012 - 07:31 .

[KadianK]

Geimhreadh wrote...

Nektos wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

Glad I'm not the only one that thought of that, sad that someone else beat me to it.

No, but the Sniper Rifle is favoured by Geth and most importantly Legion.

I want to see more 1000 Progam platforms like Legion instead of the almost mindless 100 program platforms.

[Geimhreadh]

KadianK wrote...

Geimhreadh wrote...

Nektos wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

Glad I'm not the only one that thought of that, sad that someone else beat me to it.

No, but the Sniper Rifle is favoured by Geth and most importantly Legion.

I want to see more 1000 Progam platforms like Legion instead of the almost mindless 100 program platforms.

I've got nothing against MP geth infiltrators (as long as they can be easily distinguished from the enemy geth).  I just couldn't resist the urge to make/contnue that joke.

[KadianK]

Hiroaki wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

Adragalus wrote...

I think the Cycle business is because (A) the Reaper's motives are pretty much beyond out comprehension as mortal organic beings and ( they need energy. Even while hibernating in dark space, they use up energy, and would eventually starve, for lack of a better term.

Hmm...I had often wondered about Reaper motives, and 'Energy' certainly is one that actually seems plausible, especially considering that the only concrete motive we've heard so far usually reduces down to some Orwellian phrasing of "They just want to destroy the galaxy for lulz."  Or that the destructive process is some form of Reaper-reproduction, which only raises further energy needs/questions as more Reapers are produced and therefore the energy needs are further compounded.

But yes, even in extended hibernation the Reapers would require comparatively massive amounts of energy to sustain themselves.  However, since the Reapers also want to pursue new technology rather than just 'survive,' they need intelligent organics, since being Super-AIs the Reapers most likely lake the creative-mechanisms to 'imagine' new technologies, hence their need for new Intelligent Life to develope and create new technologies, which they then absorb along with the energy provided by the organic materials.

But that still raises these Calorie-Deficiency problem.  Calloric based heat energy is exceptionally inefficent as a power source.  So..wouldn't it be more likely that the Reapers, even when fighting a disorganized enemy, would end up expending more energy then they are taking in?

Unless, as in the Matrix, the Reapers are combining the Caloric energy with a 'type of fusion?'  But what type of Fusion could possibly 'turn less into more' in order to gain more from the caloric energy than it actually produces?  Unless the Reapers have developed/absobred some kind of technology that could achieve/fuel some form of 'quantantive-distribution' the likes of which were present at the Big Bang, in which certain forms of dark-matter 'blinked' in and out of existence forming the material universe we know today? 

In which case the history of the Reapers could be linked back to the very origins of the galaxy itself!  Oh my, this is getting interesting!

 
Some simple considerations

-As a "species" they just consume because it's their nature to?

-They are on the hunt for technology more advanced than their own (but that wouldn't explain the destruction, unless of course the reapers are actually dumber than current civilization, and they got lucky stealing tech which leads to the above).

-A resource they are after is very rare.. diamonds perhaps?  These could be located with the right technology even through utter destruction.

-I always thought that the hive mind from Ender's Game was the ultimate bad guy, because it wasn't actually bad at all, just communication and understanding issues between species was bad.

-if they rip off "The Flood' from Halo, I wouldn't be surprised in this cliche ridden franchise (a cliche of a cliche).  The Flood just took over the minds of its species and procreated like that.

-Venom, from spider man, was actually an Alien symbiote like that.  Interesting tidbit of info even though I don't read comics I always thought that was hella interesting,.

-They were almost extinct due to another race doing the same thing to them, so they decided to preemptively strike the universe.

In my opinion and this is just a theory.

I believe the Repears were actually organic themselves in the beginning and developed themselves in to this newer state, which made them immortal, as long as they didn't run out of energy, which is endless in the Milkway Galaxy and even if that happened, they can still visit many other galaxies by travelling through Dark Space, which they have proven can be done.

Destruction... They don't destory planets. (Not that anyone said that, just giving my views) nor do they destory civilizations that haven't yet reached the Space Stage in their existence, meaning they is a connection to them being in space, and this may threaten the Repears.

Repears, more of a SENTIENT being and not a Robot or AI as I keep hearing that from friends lately, it's ticking.
me off.

They don't lack the knowledge nor intelligence to create new technology, they have seperate thinking and very creative minds. 

Nature, possibly. Maybe going from my first statement they used to be organic have this natured into them, being a sentient being and only thinking "Logically" this wouldn't make sense.

Every Reaper requires organic material to function possibly they were "Bacteria" like flood and developer more inteligence from consuming other organics, and this then lead to becoming part SMART AI.

[KadianK]

Geimhreadh wrote...

KadianK wrote...

Geimhreadh wrote...

Nektos wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

Glad I'm not the only one that thought of that, sad that someone else beat me to it.

No, but the Sniper Rifle is favoured by Geth and most importantly Legion.

I want to see more 1000 Progam platforms like Legion instead of the almost mindless 100 program platforms.

I've got nothing against MP geth infiltrators (as long as they can be easily distinguished from the enemy geth).  I just couldn't resist the urge to make/contnue that joke.

Heretics no longer exist in my save of Mass Effect. 

Also "Enemy Geth" (Not taking a low blow here just correcting) they have a specific name which is "Heretic". =)

[Geimhreadh]

KadianK wrote...

Geimhreadh wrote...

KadianK wrote...

Geimhreadh wrote...

Nektos wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

There better be a DLC Geth infiltrator or engineer.

Geth do not infiltrate

Geth do not intentionally infiltrate.

Glad I'm not the only one that thought of that, sad that someone else beat me to it.

No, but the Sniper Rifle is favoured by Geth and most importantly Legion.

I want to see more 1000 Progam platforms like Legion instead of the almost mindless 100 program platforms.

I've got nothing against MP geth infiltrators (as long as they can be easily distinguished from the enemy geth).  I just couldn't resist the urge to make/contnue that joke.

Heretics no longer exist in my save of Mass Effect. 

Also "Enemy Geth" (Not taking a low blow here just correcting) they have a specific name which is "Heretic". =)

They may not exist in your SP continuity (they don't in mine, at least for my main playthrough), but that doesn't mean they won't still be an option in MP.  Come on, you know you want to Cobra that Colossus right in the flashlight.