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[Lifeless191]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Xen is crazy.

But controlling the geth is smarter than going to war with them. And will achieve the Quarians long time goals...

There is a third option.
They could set aside their differences and live together.
It might be hard at first but the same goes for when america abolished slavery.

[BlueMagitek]

Lifeless191 wrote...


There is a third option.
They could set aside their differences and live together.
It might be hard at first but the same goes for when america abolished slavery.

Yeah, I'm sure the quarians are going to suddenly trust creatures that hadn't shown up for 300 years, and when they did it was an attempt to destroy the Council & take over the Citadel (and the entire, destroy all advanced organic life thing).  Advocating a want for peace (especially when you've been on the losing end for 300 years) != Cohabitation.

And your idea rests on the assumption that Legion isn't lying. ~_^

[lfred]

 
Dat alleen al maakt me wil haar werpen op de grond en f * ck haar zinloos. Het maakt niet uit dat ze geen gezicht hebben - een persoon van deze slimme hoeft niet een gezicht.

[Youknow]

I have to say I agree with Saphra. Xen's ambition is dangerous. Not the desire to control the Geth. Just imagine what she'd do to show you WHAT could be done with controlled Geth.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Of course she a psychopath! I don't know first I was creeped out by her, then she told me about her dissecting her dolls and I went yep psycho confirmed.

She's a legion fanboy but not because she likes him per say more like she'd like to get him on a table and rip him to pieces all while asking him how does that feel and see what he says. I'm concerned for shep too if shes got this complex for legion will she also want the same for shep? Has she even seen a cyborg before do they even make them in ME? We see there are implants but shep's far beyond implants.

When I listen to Xen talk about her dream world and she now has Tali's Dad's ship and knows about the data I can only imagine she's going to use this to try to screw everyone over if paras can start to get peace going she'll just turn on that project make a bunch of them go berserk and kill off her opposition mainly the rest of the Admiralty board then switch them back claim they're all liars and lead a new war and tell the geth become my slaves or die. If Xen gets any power this girl will be devastating when it comes to wielding it for all its worth. Claudia plays her so well its scary.


EDIT: I can also imagine her using her controlled geth to take revenge on the galaxy she really seems like she would she'd be a new Saren but with sadistic tendencies she'd use the geth to kill loads of people because their governments didn't want the Quarians near them and quite possibly she could convince the others to go along once she destroys any opposition on the Admiralty board.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 28 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Lifeless191 wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

Xen is crazy.

But controlling the geth is smarter than going to war with them. And will achieve the Quarians long time goals...

There is a third option.
They could set aside their differences and live together.
It might be hard at first but the same goes for when america abolished slavery.

Actually the relationship of the geth and quarians is more like Rawanda in terms of slaughter fest with the Quarians being on the losing end.

[Isaidlunch]

Her ideas are scary for everyone else but for the Quarians? She's the only admiral doing something that could improve their current situation. The other admirals are too busy trying to get the entire race killed (either by fighting or trusting the Geth) or are content to be scavengers for another 300 years.

[BlueMagitek]

jreezy wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Yeah, I'm sure the quarians are going to suddenly trust creatures that hadn't shown up for 300 years, and when they did it was an attempt to destroy the Council & take over the Citadel (and the entire, destroy all advanced organic life thing).  Advocating a want for peace (especially when you've been on the losing end for 300 years) != Cohabitation.

And your idea rests on the assumption that Legion isn't lying. ~_^

Therein lies the problem with pursuing peace.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be great if the Geth and Quarians made friendzy.  But can we take Legion at his word?

Given their [Quarian/Geth] past, it's a bit ridiculous for them to just do so, especially when there has been no contact except dead for the past 300 years~!

[Seboist]

Xen is a good woman trying to do what's best for her people.

[Lifeless191]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Lifeless191 wrote...


There is a third option.
They could set aside their differences and live together.
It might be hard at first but the same goes for when america abolished slavery.

Yeah, I'm sure the quarians are going to suddenly trust creatures that hadn't shown up for 300 years, and when they did it was an attempt to destroy the Council & take over the Citadel (and the entire, destroy all advanced organic life thing).  Advocating a want for peace (especially when you've been on the losing end for 300 years) != Cohabitation.

And your idea rests on the assumption that Legion isn't lying. ~_^

Your saying geth can lie?

[MadCat221]

The Geth in "Overlord" were not controlled. The entity "controlling" them, if you recall, was yelling QUIET PLEASE MAKE IT STOP. If they were truly "controlled", then there would have been no hostile Geth in that DLC.  The apparatus of "control" was itself uncontrollable, thus everything downstream was as well.

Xen herself uses a phrase that can perfectly illustrate the dangerous folly of "re-controlling" the Geth: What was created can be re-created. Geth intelligence was emergent the first time... what's to prevent them from emerging again? Their networked processing structure is naturally propensed to it. It'll just happen all over again. If they remove that fundamental networking aspect... then they're just Quarian-made LOKI mechs.

Modifié par MadCat221, 28 février 2012 - 07:41 .

[SennenScale]

Her plan could result in the quarians getting their worlds back, assuming one can control sentient machines long-term. Or it could result in the Quarians getting slaughtered by the geth with no chance for peace, ever.

Playing sudden death with the fate or your people is probably not the sanest idea anyone's ever cone up with.

[Seboist]

Lifeless191 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Lifeless191 wrote...


There is a third option.
They could set aside their differences and live together.
It might be hard at first but the same goes for when america abolished slavery.

Yeah, I'm sure the quarians are going to suddenly trust creatures that hadn't shown up for 300 years, and when they did it was an attempt to destroy the Council & take over the Citadel (and the entire, destroy all advanced organic life thing).  Advocating a want for peace (especially when you've been on the losing end for 300 years) != Cohabitation.

And your idea rests on the assumption that Legion isn't lying. ~_^

Your saying geth can lie?

There's two instances in ME1 where Geth use phoney distress signals to ambush Shep and co. So yes they can.

[MadCat221]

Seboist wrote...

Lifeless191 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Lifeless191 wrote...


There is a third option.
They could set aside their differences and live together.
It might be hard at first but the same goes for when america abolished slavery.

Yeah, I'm sure the quarians are going to suddenly trust creatures that hadn't shown up for 300 years, and when they did it was an attempt to destroy the Council & take over the Citadel (and the entire, destroy all advanced organic life thing).  Advocating a want for peace (especially when you've been on the losing end for 300 years) != Cohabitation.

And your idea rests on the assumption that Legion isn't lying. ~_^

Your saying geth can lie?

There's two instances in ME1 where Geth use phoney distress signals to ambush Shep and co. So yes they can.

There was also the salarian goddess constellation hoax that Legion regales you with.

[TonyTitan]

Those were not Geth....they were Heretic's controlled/influenced by Sovereign/Navara....The being the Heretic's revered as their "God".

[goofyomnivore]

A heretic is still a Geth they worship Sovereign because of their own conclusions. Hell Legion even plays coy with you about the hole. They are capable of lies and manipulation.

Xen's plan isn't any worse than the other two admirals. The Quarians are in a desperate situation they need a home run, Xen's plan is a grand slam if it works.

[paul165]

strive wrote...

A heretic is still a Geth they worship Sovereign because of their own conclusions. Hell Legion even plays coy with you about the hole. They are capable of lies and manipulation.

Xen's plan isn't any worse than the other two admirals. The Quarians are in a desperate situation they need a home run, Xen's plan is a grand slam if it works.

And if it doesn't her species gets exterminated.....

TBH I'm not entirely convinced that even if, and it is a very big if, Xen's plan worked flawlessly - no geth escape reprogramming, no possibility of rebellion it would be as great for the Quarians as most seem to assume.

Their race is still tiny and vulnerable and reprogramming the Geth is going to be viewed as incredibly hostile by the Citadel races. They are already treated as second class citizens just for creating the Geth repeating the mistake is probably going to get the Quarians banned from Citadel Space - at the very least.

[goofyomnivore]

And if it doesn't her species gets exterminated.....

They're for sure dead if they follow the other two admirals. It is the best alternative suggested that I've seen for Quarian prosperity. The Geth are quite protective of themselves and don't trust the Quarians, so I doubt peace on Rannoch or with the Quarians will ever happen. You will have a Rael or Xen somewhere down the road provoke the Geth again and the Quarians will be wiped out again. You could try and attack them now and be decimated.

Modifié par strive, 28 février 2012 - 09:07 .