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[movieguyabw]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

With that logic, people should complain that they shouldn't have to play the first or second game in any franchise to understand the story of the third, or watch any movie in any franchise before the one they're about to watch in order to understand the story.

No, with that logic people should complain if Return of the Jedi began with Luke, Han and the gang were flying to Endor, and you had to go out and buy a DVD containing the whole scene at Jabba's Palace.

It's the point of paying for something twice, when the second payment isn't for something optional, but for something required to understand the plot.

But thats the thing, You're not paying for something twice, its akin to paying for an epilogue, not integral to the plot but it does tie up a few things and set things up for the sequel.

Besides kind of silly to think two DLC (one released 8 months after release and the other 14 months after release) should have been INCLUDED in the game dont you think?

Besides if they DIDN'T expand the story... what would be the point of putting the effort into making them?

"Not integral", huh?  Seems like whenever anyone has a question like "Hey, why is Commander Shepard on Earth, and on trial?" the default response is "Play Arrival".     Back to my Star Wars metaphore - that's like saying "Hey, why isn't Han still froze in Carbonyte?"  and saying "Go out and buy the DVD".

As for the expanding the story - idk, Overlord did a great job of expanding the story, providing an enjoyable mission that had choice, that will impact ME3, but wasn't terribly important to the main plot.


And has it ever occurred to people that these could've been patches to the game?  I'd understand if they weren't completed by the time the game came out, or if they even weren't thought of by that time...  but hey, they could've easily been added to everyone's game via a patch.  Sure, they don't make money off of it, but it's not like DLC weapons are hard to create - coming from a modder's perspective at least, I don't see what the issue would be with making more weapon and armor packs, and selling those.  Hell, I'd buy those no questions asked.  

[Hiredguns23]

The Palmer wrote...

The DLC being the focal point of the beginning is a bit trash, since every other DLC til then basically didn't matter once the story arc was complete. That said, Arrival ended up being a pivotal point in ME2, so it's very understandable that Shepard would get reprimanded for it as well as his apparent betrayal (By siding with Cerberus) and his "crack-pot theories" regarding the Reapers. Missing it isn't anyone's fault, but knowing about even just now means you can at least read up on what happened to get some semblance of what's going on.

Forcing gamers to purchase DLC, or looking up summaries online in order to understand the beginning of a story is just bad writing and direction. 

It's my story and I want it now! Speculation on vid games is ftl. Odds are it will be covered in ME3 on what happened in DLC. <_<

Modifié par Hiredguns23, 28 février 2012 - 07:17 .

[LuPoM]

Sora Shepherd wrote...

Bah don't bother with the Arrival, Bioware has already retconed Shepard's Trial anyway.

Besides that in The Arrival there's NOWHERE where it tells that you WILL be put on Trial, Hackett just reminds you that "When Earth calls, be ready to come with your dress blues on".

I liked the Idea of a Trial when they talked about it on Twitter, but if it didn't fit for theyr storytelling (and a start a la Othello is still a narrative factor) then we'll see how it'll work out with the rest of the story.

You might still not like it, as the OP, but Arrival is a canon transition, and if you didn't played it there's the wiki, there'll be the ANN (which started to broadcast again in the Cerberus Network in ME2 just today) and so on to keep you updated

[movieguyabw]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

[Those aren't even remotely the same.  Arrival isn't content cut from ME3 as it would be if your example was valid, it's essentially a short sequel to ME2 built off of the ME2 engine.

As I stated in my last post:

"Why is Shepard on Earth, stripped of his rank, and ship, and why does everyone suddenly believe the Reapers exist?"

"Go buy Arrival"


"Why isn't Han still frozen in Carbonyte?"

"Go buy the DVD"

[ItsFreakinJesus]

"Why is Shepard running around looking for Geth before getting blown up?"

"Go buy Mass Effect 1."

[Legendaryred]

They don't have to buy the games, they can just google that **** like normal people right?

[Hiredguns23]

movieguyabw wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

[Those aren't even remotely the same.  Arrival isn't content cut from ME3 as it would be if your example was valid, it's essentially a short sequel to ME2 built off of the ME2 engine.

As I stated in my last post:

"Why is Shepard on Earth, stripped of his rank, and ship, and why does everyone suddenly believe the Reapers exist?"

"Go buy Arrival"


"Why isn't Han still frozen in Carbonyte?"

"Go buy the DVD"

I guess you are just gonna be lost for ever.

[AlexXIV]

MostlyAutumn wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
 
"Duh Shepard we know that you are a Spectre, you saved the Citadel and Council, stopped the Collectors and gave us imporant intel about Cerberus and blew up the base instead of giving it to Cerberus and even though you have always been friendly to aliens we are going to ground you because you blew up the relay to stop the Reapers, but we are not going to believe you anything you say because we are idiots and will lock you up for half a year until the Reapers actually hit Earth and then demand you to come up with a plan to stop them. Because we are trololol stupid (and Bioware can't come up with different intros according to your playthrough)."

This is really my biggest issue with ME3 and really makes me wonder if I should buy it at all if I already know this will bug the hell out of me from start and probably through the most part of the game. Because as much as I like Mass Effect I am really unsure whether I would like Dumb Effect. The game about the stupidest galactic civilisation in sci-fi history that is clearly not worth to be saved at all. Kinda makes it moot to save it then, doesn't it?

Secret organization that puts its logo on everything is dumb. Grounding Shep to prevent interspecies war right before Reaper invasion is not dumb. Also you confuse the Council with the Alliance.

I'm not confusing anything, but you are.

Secret organisation with logo is indeed dumb and so is grounding Shepard and then asking him/her for help. How in hell did they go from 'he/she's crazy' to 'he/she is our last help' within a day? If they thought Sovereign was a Geth warship, why didn't they think where is one there could be more? If they thought the Geth could build such ships, how did they figure they are now reapers and not Geth again? Anyway, Shep is the only one in the galaxy who could bring down Sovereign, so why in hell does everyone act as if Shepard doesn't know what he/she is doing?

Spectres work for the Council first and foremost and are free to mostly do what they want to secure the galaxy. Alliance grounding Shepard without asking the Council is stupid and doesn't make sense. That the 2nd human Spectre (Ashley or Kaiden), the leader of the alliance fleet Hackett and the human Councilor together can't vouch for Shepard and his/her 'reaper theory' in front of the Alliance court (which are probably all lesser in rank and importance) doesn't make sense. I'll say it again, if Bioware is too lazy/greedy to make multiple intros considering your choices in ME1/2 then I have next to no faith that I am going to be happy with the story ín general.

[movieguyabw]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

"Why is Shepard running around looking for Geth before getting blown up?"

"Go buy Mass Effect 1."

*sigh*

not the same.

[AlexXIV]

Legendaryred wrote...

They don't have to buy the games, they can just google that **** like normal people right?

Yeah because it is normal that you google the internet when a plot doesn't make sense. Hey, I have an idea. Why not extract all story from the game altogether, and if people have questions they can just google it. Because obviously the story in a game doesn't need to make sense if we have google and the devs can explain everything in twitter or in blogs.

[movieguyabw]

AlexXIV wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

They don't have to buy the games, they can just google that **** like normal people right?

Yeah because it is normal that you google the internet when a plot doesn't make sense. Hey, I have an idea. Why not extract all story from the game altogether, and if people have questions they can just google it. Because obviously the story in a game doesn't need to make sense if we have google and the devs can explain everything in twitter or in blogs.

THIS.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

movieguyabw wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

"Why is Shepard running around looking for Geth before getting blown up?"

"Go buy Mass Effect 1."

*sigh*

not the same.

Except it is.

[DnVill]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

As for the crew, most of them were only short term members anyway, with the mission complete they go back to their lives.

Grunt has a clan now and is more than likely with his people
Garrus is probably attending to personal matters
Tali is (barring exile) probably back with her people or figuring out what to do with herself
Jack is off doing whatever it is Jack does
Miranda/Jacob probably distancing themselves from cerberus
Mordin is back with STG and still probably trying to figure out that scale itch issue
Samara/Zaeed/Kasumi back to their old lives
Thane is more than likely spending his time with Kolyat

Grunt made Shepard his battlemaster right? I thought this was a "will follow you anywhere" type of choice. Maybe after the collector's he got bored and just left looking for something else to kill.

[Farbautisonn]

The introduction is, if its even remotely like it is written up in the demo an epic piece of crap with plotholes galore.

The intro pretty much demands that you not only have to play the DLCs but you also have to read the novels and even then you should still visit the foras here on BSN.

Essentially a character that only played the vanilla game is completely screwed.

[NeonAstral]

I agree with AleXIV, movieguyabw , and many other who are contributing to this discussion.

I have a question...what about MORINTH?(If you chose her over Samara)

No one has a version of it yet. Where does she go? And how does she affect ME3 plot?

[MostlyAutumn]

AlexXIV wrote...
How in hell did they go from 'he/she's crazy' to 'he/she is our last help' within a day?

Reaper invasion.

Spectres work for the Council first and foremost and are free to mostly do what they want to secure the galaxy.

Alliance grounding Shepard without asking the Council is stupid and doesn't make sense.

They are not free to blow up relays because they saw something in a vision. Even if everyone believed in Reapers it would still require serious investigation to clarify what happened and to prevent a war with batarians.

'Hi, I've found an ancient artifact that indoctrinated people and gave me a vision of Reaper invasion and so I destroyed a relay and killed 305 thousand batarians.'

'Hmm, ok, carry on.'

I'm sorry, but that would be dumb.

Modifié par MostlyAutumn, 28 février 2012 - 08:10 .

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
The beginning is a bit jarring, but it makes up for it rather quickly. Just be patient.

"Patience? On an internet forum? I think you're overestimating BSN's chances!"

[olymind1]

And lets not forget that Shepard already has evidence at the end of ME2 (without any dlc), when Jokers hands over a datapad or whatever to Shep with reaper info on it. Shepard would be a fool to not give it to someone infulental, maybe thats why there is a committee in the first place. It is true however Shep has done some ****ty things from others perspective.

Also there is the codex what was not present in the demo, maybe that will explain a few things, or when we board on the Normandy someone will.

[ElementL09]

We'll find out in the full game hopefully.

[McAllyster]

I think every surviving squadmates has things to do after a SM.

Zaeed, Kasumi - they accepted one mission only, after SM they leave.
Grunt - he is somewhat important in krogan politics and he is a member of the Urdnot clan now.
Tali - if she isn't exiled she should go back to the flotilla
Miranda, Jacob - they are former Cerberus agents; not a good idea to go openly to the Alliance; probably left Normandy before Shepard take the ship to the Alliance
Mordin - former STG member, great scientist; I suppose he went back to the STG with his intel about the Collectors and Reapers.

[Farbautisonn]

One thing Im looking to find out is what happened to the romance beteween Shep and Jack. Because if you break her shell, there likely will nothing she will not do to stand at your side. Even if it means breaking you out of an Alliance brig herself. And frankly. She could likely do it even if it ment doing it herself.

[AkiKishi]

The most sense your going to make of it is by reading up on arrival and conviction.

[Farbautisonn]

BobSmith101 wrote...

The most sense your going to make of it is by reading up on arrival and conviction.

-Which will apparently still leave quite a few loose ends. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Farbautisonn wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

The most sense your going to make of it is by reading up on arrival and conviction.

-Which will apparently still leave quite a few loose ends. 

Hitler is disappointed!

[TheRevanchist]

Btw everyone...theres already a thread on this that has been explained very poeticly why this intro is supreame suxxzor. http://social.biowar...dex/9243095/116