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SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

ME2 topped it. In my humble opinion.

Pretty much this. The only things ME1 had over ME2 were varied environments, a more engaging storyline, more (but not necessarily better) vehicle exploration, a better persuasion system, and more squadmate dialogue. Oh, and the awesome loading screens.
And judging by what i've seen, ME3 could easily beat out both of its predecessors. In fact, I'm counting on it. =]

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This is the entire point though, there is no challenge to the combat in ME 1.

You can either sit and let everythign come to you and kill them 1 by 1,

or just use biotics to which everything in the game is rediculously weak

or you can just be a soldier shock trooper and use immunity spam to be unkillable on any difficulty but Insanity, and even then you can only die to rockets.

but beyond that you dont even need immunity spam because you can just run to the left and half the enemies wont hit you anyway because of the terrible targeting system. Same way you can park just the front end of the mako behind a rock with 90% of it sticking out and never take any damage because they all shoot at the rock.


We won't even talk about singularity....

But let's be honest here. ME2 wasn't difficult either. ****, even I can beat it on Insanity without much difficulty.

ME3 seems to be a lot tougher though.



No definatly not but arguably much more so than ME 1 ever was. You cannot for example in ME 2 on insanity just stand out in the open and shoot everything till it dies while spamming immunity and being basicaly unkillable unless someone has rockets. You could do this as a soldier shock trooper with colossus armor with the DR and Medical upgrades, quite easily. 

ME 2 is not that difficult but it does require you to think at least a little, ME 1 had pleny to of combinations that made combat something where you didnt even have to think because you really couldnt die unless you  allowed yourself to. For example on Pinacle Station's survival waves. I have to litteraly stop fighting and allow myself to die on my soldier shocktrooper because if i try and stay alive at all I will never die.

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N7Infernox wrote...

The only things ME1 had over ME2 were varied environments, a more engaging storyline, more (but not necessarily better) vehicle exploration, a better persuasion system, and more squadmate dialogue.


Uh, that last one is just plain not true.  Like, not even close to true.

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didymos1120 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

The only things ME1 had over ME2 were varied environments, a more engaging storyline, more (but not necessarily better) vehicle exploration, a better persuasion system, and more squadmate dialogue.


Uh, that last one is just plain not true.  Like, not even close to true.


Neither is the first one, proceduraly generated terrain and cookie cutter prefab buildings used over and over is not varied environments.

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E-Type XR wrote...

They already have.

It was called ME2.



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Gameplay, and strictly gameplay i.e. the actual mechanics of shooting, were much improved in ME2, though the customization was gutted so that all dozen weapons felt more unique..

Story wise, which is why I even play RPG's as the mechanics in ANY Bioware game leave something to be desired, was faaar better in ME1, simply because it wasn't written like a Michael Bay film.. ME2 felt like Bad Boys 2 in space with all the ridiculous over the top lines and dialogue deliveries that come with it.

The main enemy was much better in ME1.
The main arc and story was much better in ME1
The actual feel of the universe imo was better in ME1 (more clinical and subdued- personal preference in sci-fi)
The plot wasn't so "humans are teh best" centered in ME1.
Finally, the work involved from locations, backgrounds and animations were all better in ME1 imo.

ME2 had better combat, a slew of 'gotta please em all, gotta please em all' missions for your crew and a terrible ending.. *shrug* I'm with the OP..


+1 =]

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OMGOSHNESS wrote...

E-Type XR wrote...

They already have.

It was called ME2.

indeed.

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I liked the enemies in ME1 more. In ME2, biotics just use warp, and engineers incinerate. That is boring. In ME1 they use sabotage on my weapons, drop my shields, and the biotics lol, they made me fly across the room.

And the geth... oh dear, those jelly ones, and the sniper with the red lazer of death.

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 février 2012 - 11:28 .


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Me1 is the best of the series, hands down

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Nice tale, mate.

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Lol whoever thinks ME2 is better than ME1 is exactly the type of 'gamer' Bioware is catering towards now. These casual's wouldn't know a good game if it smacked their follow the crowd sheep mentality in the face.
They are not real gamer's, and they are all that is wrong with the gaming community.

Modifié par tez19, 29 février 2012 - 12:31 .


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tez19 wrote...

Lol whoever thinks ME2 is better than ME1 is exactly the type of 'gamer' Bioware is catering towards now. These casual's wouldn't know a good game if it smacked their follow the crowd sheep mentality in the face.
They are not real gamer's, and all that is wrong with the gaming community.


I'm not sure which would be more pitiable: if you're actually sincere about that nonsense or just trolling.

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mauro2222 wrote...

...and the biotics lol, they made me fly across the room.


If by "fly across the room" you mean "ragdoll you and drop you where you're standing", sure.

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tez19 wrote...

Lol whoever thinks ME2 is better than ME1 is exactly the type of 'gamer' Bioware is catering towards now. These casual's wouldn't know a good game if it smacked their follow the crowd sheep mentality in the face.
They are not real gamer's, and they are all that is wrong with the gaming community.


ME2 has far better gameplay and ME1 is better in most of the other aspects. I ultimately play games to have fun though, and I can't stand 1's combat.

Go ahead, don't think of me as a real gamer, but I ENJOYED 2 more and like it more as a result. Deal with it.

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OMGOSHNESS wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Lol whoever thinks ME2 is better than ME1 is exactly the type of 'gamer' Bioware is catering towards now. These casual's wouldn't know a good game if it smacked their follow the crowd sheep mentality in the face.
They are not real gamer's, and they are all that is wrong with the gaming community.


ME2 has far better gameplay and ME1 is better in most of the other aspects. I ultimately play games to have fun though, and I can't stand 1's combat.

Go ahead, don't think of me as a real gamer, but I ENJOYED 2 more and like it more as a result. Deal with it.

You are not a real gamer, you are what is referred to as a 'casual'. Let Bioware milk you casual, you are not a true gamer.

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ME2 did it... so can 3!

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tez19 wrote...

OMGOSHNESS wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Lol whoever thinks ME2 is better than ME1 is exactly the type of 'gamer' Bioware is catering towards now. These casual's wouldn't know a good game if it smacked their follow the crowd sheep mentality in the face.
They are not real gamer's, and they are all that is wrong with the gaming community.


ME2 has far better gameplay and ME1 is better in most of the other aspects. I ultimately play games to have fun though, and I can't stand 1's combat.

Go ahead, don't think of me as a real gamer, but I ENJOYED 2 more and like it more as a result. Deal with it.

You are not a real gamer, you are what is referred to as a 'casual'. Let Bioware milk you casual, you are not a true gamer.


I'm not a casual, I just prefer ME2 for the above reasons. Just my opinion bud. Go back to your bridge.

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I sometimes wonder if some of what's being said in threads like this is nostalgia. Yeah, ME1 had great characters and story. The worlds were beautiful and the Mako, while flawed, was fun to drive in.

But the loot/equipment system and interface was clunky. I didn't like it back in 2007 and it hasn't aged well. It only feels worse. And this is from someone who has been gaming since the NES days and has played many, many RPGs and enjoys equipping things. That is the main thing people tout as the "RPG elements" that ME1 had that ME2 didn't have. Honestly, I didn't miss that when ME2 came around. I'm replaying ME1 right now and it's driving me crazy. I hate running into that inventory max frequently. Equipping armor/weapons/parts was as simple as finding the ones that suited your characters and play style, then equipping the next highest numbered one when you got it. And it was irritating when your characters were stuck walking around in ugly colored armor because that was the best one you had at the time (hi, pink and white armor).

It wasn't actually a very good or immersive or fun or customizable system, honestly.

ME3 seems to be truly customizable as far as weapons and armor go though, so I'm definitely looking forward to that.

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didymos1120 wrote...

tez19 wrote...

Lol whoever thinks ME2 is better than ME1 is exactly the type of 'gamer' Bioware is catering towards now. These casual's wouldn't know a good game if it smacked their follow the crowd sheep mentality in the face.
They are not real gamer's, and all that is wrong with the gaming community.


I'm not sure which would be more pitiable: if you're actually sincere about that nonsense or just trolling.


Why can't it be both?

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I know it sounds like a paradox, ME2 improved greatly on many aspects on ME1, that said, there is no topping the Original. I love ME1 and will play it many more times through out my life, ME2 and ME3? I dont know, we will see..

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Draconis6666 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

The only things ME1 had over ME2 were varied environments, a more engaging storyline, more (but not necessarily better) vehicle exploration, a better persuasion system, and more squadmate dialogue.


Uh, that last one is just plain not true.  Like, not even close to true.


Neither is the first one, proceduraly generated terrain and cookie cutter prefab buildings used over and over is not varied environments.

Sorry; by varied environments, I meant "combat environments that didn't always involve traveling in a relatively straight line, over generic cover". And maybe it just seems to me that there's more dialogue in the first game b/c I haven't played it as much as the second. In ME2, I know almost all of the points where characters chip in on missions-- usually with responses that have little deviation between different characters. Also, unless you're romancing a character, dialogues with characters kind of cut off after their loyalty missions (only exception I can think of is Mordin, i think). In ME1, characters would leave personal quips about the surroundings you were in, whenever prompted (aside from combat). Individuals would also seem to have more to say on the Normandy after/ in between missions (i.e. Wrex). So maybe there was more cumulative and cinematic dialogue in ME2, but ME1 made me feel like individual characters were more fleshed out. Just my 2cents

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It has been proven that you can top it. Its called ME2. The gunplay in ME1 was terrible. Mass Effect 2 was a flatout better game

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TheItalianSnip3r wrote...

It has been proven that you can top it. Its called ME2. The gunplay in ME1 was terrible. Mass Effect 2 was a flatout better game

And here we have Bioware's new target market, absolute casuals who want every game to be like COD. Do you even know any lore about the ME universe. You are not a real gamer.

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tez19 wrote...

Lol whoever thinks ME2 is better than ME1 is exactly the type of 'gamer' Bioware is catering towards now. These casual's wouldn't know a good game if it smacked their follow the crowd sheep mentality in the face.
They are not real gamer's, and they are all that is wrong with the gaming community.



This. Whoever thinks ME2 was a RPG first is trolling themselves. It was a shooter first with slight RPG elements. Barely any customization. 

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tez19 wrote...

TheItalianSnip3r wrote...

It has been proven that you can top it. Its called ME2. The gunplay in ME1 was terrible. Mass Effect 2 was a flatout better game

And here we have Bioware's new target market, absolute casuals who want every game to be like COD. Do you even know any lore about the ME universe. You are not a real gamer.

Neither are you.