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AlexXIV wrote...

Yeah honeslty, if RPGs are not good for giving people the ending they want/deserve, what are they good for?


Should have been like Atelier Totori.

The flags for the best ending are very hard to get. You need all character ending flags, plus the normal end.

My problem with the ME2 end is not so much that everyone lives, but rather it was too easy to meet those conditions.

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You just want unrealistic happy bunnies and flowers ending, what you actually get is much more sophisticated and real...

I want a choice. Sacrificing loved characters for the better good or saving them and screwing millions of people over is a choice that is hard, and deep. If people just die because the plot demands it, it is emo, but neither deep nor special nor anything. Choices are when you have to question yourself what kind of person you are. How strong your idealism really is. How much you are going to endure for the sake of strangers before you start thinking about yourself first. These are imporant questions. People who die because you didn't bed them or because any other unrelated choice is shallow and cheap.

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Total Biscuit wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

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Yeah, I didn't think it was as bad until I spoiled myself.

IT'S BAD. The "best" ending isn't even remotely near what you think it'd entail. It's absolutely bitter and crap. That's the best ending. The rest of them are only worse.

Also, that's not even including the fact that if you don't romance Liara or the VS, it adds salt into the wound. 
I'm still buying the game, but only to play through it once and to go on the MP.

Sigh.  I now won't be able to play through the first two games without realizing what happens at the end of 3 now. 

Again, didn't people complian that getting the good ending in ME2 was too easy and too glorified? You had to go out of your way to get people to die in  ME2. Now peopel are complining about the opposite? It's a war with a race that can wipe races away clean by glacing at them, why wouldn't the ending be guresome?


No one complained that there was a good ending though. There are no good endings at all in 3, no matter what you do.

And I wish people would stop using 'it's a war!' to excuse unavoidable death. Not everyone dies in wars. Not even heroes always die. Besides which, this game is supposed to give us choices, and there isn't one for a happy ending, which is the endings 96% of humans prefer.


ALL OF THEM ARE GOOD ENDINGS, the only problem is that in all of them you lose something VERY IMPORTANT.

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I wouldnt expect a total happy ending. Just an option (spoiler highlight below)

where Shepard is not dead/stuck on there own somewhere.

Modifié par Vault N7, 28 février 2012 - 02:05 .


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Kanmuru wrote...

You just want unrealistic happy bunnies and flowers ending, what you actually get is much more sophisticated and real...


I don't care about "real" in a fictional story. If I want "real", I can read the news all day, there is enough pain and suffering going around there to fill all my day with worries.

I want an option to have to work hard to get a good ending for Shepard. An option. You can have all your "real"  and "sophisticated" endings, but I think I should have a chance to get my preferred ending, too.

And, hey, I can't cancel my order anymore, so BioWare will get my money for this game. But I have the damned right to tell them that their decisions have consequences, too and that those consequences will lead to them getting less revenue. I don't think I am the only one who will react that way. Maybe, I hope, it will lead them to correct this glaring problem in a DLC or patch. Most likely not. But at least I said my piece.

Modifié par magnuskn, 28 février 2012 - 02:07 .


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About the Shep stuck on there own somewhere...:bandit: :?

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 28 février 2012 - 02:04 .


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Capeo wrote...

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Honestly BSN... stfu.... You are all bit**ing b/c there is no sunshine and bunnies ending. Well thats a good thing. The best stories are the stories that leave me sad and heartbroken.

Also I know the three choices you get to make at the end. That was in the leaked script. I remember Casey said like a month or two ago that there are 6 "definitive" endings. So I am sure they added 3 extra happier endings in the time that the "early rough draft" script got leaked. They could add new endings when ever the fu*k they want. They dont go by your book and whines BSN.


The endings have been data mined and people already also have the strategy guide.  There's no endings besides the 6 and one you get on NG+. 

whats NG+?

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One quick question guys:

The Gamestar article mentioned a scene happening after the credits rolled. Was this a part of the spoilers from 'hammer and sword'? 

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AlexXIV wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

You just want unrealistic happy bunnies and flowers ending, what you actually get is much more sophisticated and real...

I want a choice. Sacrificing loved characters for the better good or saving them and screwing millions of people over is a choice that is hard, and deep. If people just die because the plot demands it, it is emo, but neither deep nor special nor anything. Choices are when you have to question yourself what kind of person you are. How strong your idealism really is. How much you are going to endure for the sake of strangers before you start thinking about yourself first. These are imporant questions. People who die because you didn't bed them or because any other unrelated choice is shallow and cheap.


I assume you know the endings? in all of them you will sacrifice something for the greater good. And some endings everyone you care about will be safe and alive

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MindoirsSoleSurvivor wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

MindoirsSoleSurvivor wrote...

Honestly BSN... stfu.... You are all bit**ing b/c there is no sunshine and bunnies ending. Well thats a good thing. The best stories are the stories that leave me sad and heartbroken.


Where not you

 /moving on


When most people saw that boy die at the end of the Earth demo, I am sure it left a sad but great note on many people. When I played the suicide mission, having everyone alive was not anywhere as good as an ending as having some people die. You need everything perfect. All the people who played the actualy game said they liked the ending. All you people who are just speculating on the leak are jumping to the conclusion that they will be bad. Well let me tell you something. Its all about presentation of the ending which make them good or not, and I can tell you that they are probably presented well, becuase the people who actually "played" the game liked their ending.


The death of the little boy was pointless and since i hate children it didn't make me do anything but go "oh look there trying to make me sad by blowing up children" and whether the endings are well presented or not there still horrible endings and bsn will be on fire after the game releases.

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Kanmuru wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

You just want unrealistic happy bunnies and flowers ending, what you actually get is much more sophisticated and real...

I want a choice. Sacrificing loved characters for the better good or saving them and screwing millions of people over is a choice that is hard, and deep. If people just die because the plot demands it, it is emo, but neither deep nor special nor anything. Choices are when you have to question yourself what kind of person you are. How strong your idealism really is. How much you are going to endure for the sake of strangers before you start thinking about yourself first. These are imporant questions. People who die because you didn't bed them or because any other unrelated choice is shallow and cheap.


I assume you know the endings? in all of them you will sacrifice something for the greater good. And some endings everyone you care about will be safe and alive

Well then ... that doesn't sound so bad then.

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Think its time I leave this thread and try to muster the last of my illusions....

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Galactic war and decent endings for our Sheps are not mutually exclusive ideas.

By "appropriately acknowledgment", I meant the time and effort we put into building our characters and their friendships/romances shouldn't be made worthless by denying many people a satisfying ending. I get that loss and sorrow should be present (and indeed they are throughout the game), but these endings are really taking it to the extreme.

I don't live vicariously through my Shep, but it's like reading a fluffy book; I'd like to walk away knowing that at least the main character had a good (or good-ish) ending. I have enough sadness in real life to not want it forced on me in my video games. Given the endings of the previous two games, I'm just really disappointed.

Modifié par senorfuzzylips, 28 février 2012 - 02:07 .


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Kanmuru wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

You just want unrealistic happy bunnies and flowers ending, what you actually get is much more sophisticated and real...

I want a choice. Sacrificing loved characters for the better good or saving them and screwing millions of people over is a choice that is hard, and deep. If people just die because the plot demands it, it is emo, but neither deep nor special nor anything. Choices are when you have to question yourself what kind of person you are. How strong your idealism really is. How much you are going to endure for the sake of strangers before you start thinking about yourself first. These are imporant questions. People who die because you didn't bed them or because any other unrelated choice is shallow and cheap.


I assume you know the endings? in all of them you will sacrifice something for the greater good. 


THAT SOUNDS AMAZING. Man i really didn't give a **** about ME3 before, but this news has got me hyped.

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Also whats the deal with bioware saying you should keep your ME3 saves whats the point? if my sheps not there i see no reason to want to keep it around.

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@MindoirsSoleSurvivor>> people are upset because the endings are all dark where your crew is sc***ed no matter what and because no matter what you do how much GAW you acquire there no way to even get aGREY ending ...but if those kind of things float your boat...then more power to you....i am guessing your are going to love ME3 :) ....

For others like me who have played through the first two games and who are not counting on a happy sunshine ending but atleast one where you as Shep get some sort of personal happiness(even if a miniscule one) in regards to the relations you built, it s going to be a sad affair altogether... :(

Plus, dont even get me started about how similar the endings feel. Whatever you do the galaxy seems to be in various levels of sc***ed and the squad-mates all end up suffering irrespective of any choice you make

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@Ryzaki: Mine will actually be in the same situation with the same character most likely... only, I see it as a victory. My Shep. found somebody after all.

After years of being the stoic loner who's only purpose has been to save the galaxy - never really knowing what he was fighting for - he finds someone in the final hours. It's a vindication of sorts.

And - the best things fade the fastest. *shrugs*

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I never expected this to be a good ending, anyway. It's the damn Reapers, people are going to die. Didn't they say "victory through sacrifice" was the theme? That this was a darker game?

Please don't spoil or hint at it - I'm just throwing this out there - but I'm not even expecting my Shepard to live after all this.

Even so, I have to ask (please be vague): Is the "happiest" ending still terrible?

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The 'happiest' ending isn't happy at all. To put it bluntly.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 28 février 2012 - 02:09 .


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MindoirsSoleSurvivor wrote...

Capeo wrote...

MindoirsSoleSurvivor wrote...

Honestly BSN... stfu.... You are all bit**ing b/c there is no sunshine and bunnies ending. Well thats a good thing. The best stories are the stories that leave me sad and heartbroken.

Also I know the three choices you get to make at the end. That was in the leaked script. I remember Casey said like a month or two ago that there are 6 "definitive" endings. So I am sure they added 3 extra happier endings in the time that the "early rough draft" script got leaked. They could add new endings when ever the fu*k they want. They dont go by your book and whines BSN.


The endings have been data mined and people already also have the strategy guide.  There's no endings besides the 6 and one you get on NG+. 

whats NG+?


New Game + restart after you finish with various bonuses.

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SealKudos wrote...

I never expected this to be a good ending, anyway. It's the damn Reapers, people are going to die. Didn't they say "victory through sacrifice" was the theme? That this was a darker game?

Please don't spoil or hint at it - I'm just throwing this out there - but I'm not even expecting my Shepard to live after all this.

Even so, I have to ask (please be vague): Is the "happiest" ending still terrible?


There is int a "happiest" ending period.

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SealKudos wrote...

I never expected this to be a good ending, anyway. It's the damn Reapers, people are going to die. Didn't they say "victory through sacrifice" was the theme? That this was a darker game?

Please don't spoil or hint at it - I'm just throwing this out there - but I'm not even expecting my Shepard to live after all this.

Even so, I have to ask (please be vague): Is the "happiest" ending still terrible?


It's sadistic...

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senorfuzzylips wrote...

Galactic war and decent endings for our Sheps are not mutually exclusive ideas.

By "appropriately acknowledgment", I meant the time and effort we put into building our characters and their friendships/romances shouldn't be made worthless by denying many people a satisfying ending. I get that loss and sorrow should be present (and indeed they are throughout the game), but these endings are really taking it to the extreme.

I don't live vicariously through my Shep, but it's like reading a fluffy book; I'd like to walk away knowing that at least the main character had a good (or good-ish) ending. I have enough sadness in real life to not want it forced on me in my video games. Given the endings of the previous two games, I'm just really disappointed.


Yup this.

If there's such a need for angst scar Shepard permantely (disfigure him/her, have him/her end up severely weakened, or something) and have Shep lose alot of friends and crewmembers (and maybe even an LI if he/she doesn't do the ending just right). But hell my Shep should have at least one ending where he's triumphant with his friends by his side even if he had to sacrifice a lot to get there.

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Total Biscuit wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Templar Fox wrote...

Yeah, I didn't think it was as bad until I spoiled myself.

IT'S BAD. The "best" ending isn't even remotely near what you think it'd entail. It's absolutely bitter and crap. That's the best ending. The rest of them are only worse.

Also, that's not even including the fact that if you don't romance Liara or the VS, it adds salt into the wound. 
I'm still buying the game, but only to play through it once and to go on the MP.

Sigh.  I now won't be able to play through the first two games without realizing what happens at the end of 3 now. 

Again, didn't people complian that getting the good ending in ME2 was too easy and too glorified? You had to go out of your way to get people to die in  ME2. Now peopel are complining about the opposite? It's a war with a race that can wipe races away clean by glacing at them, why wouldn't the ending be guresome?


No one complained that there was a good ending though. There are no good endings at all in 3, no matter what you do.

And I wish people would stop using 'it's a war!' to excuse unavoidable death. Not everyone dies in wars. Not even heroes always die. Besides which, this game is supposed to give us choices, and there isn't one for a happy ending, which is the endings 96% of humans prefer.



It IS a war. You see it within the first 5 mins of the demo. And yes not everyone dies in a war, and yes not every hero dies at the end of their story.

World War 1: Over 60,000 Americans dies, I'm pretty sure some of them were heros, in someone else's eyes.
World War 2: Millions died, I'm pretty sure some of those were a hero to someone.
9/11: Over 3000 died that day, every single one of those police, firefighters, EMT, and random citizens that rushed in are heros.

You can even look at some of the most famous writers in history, Pretty much all of Shakespear's writings the hero or protaganist of his stories dies.


But saying just because it's a war doesn't mean someone has to die, means your pretty oblivious to how war really is. Spend a few weeks on the frontlines or better yet, Read about Nick Berg.

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senorfuzzylips: What you just said was so much more candid then what most people throw around... and personally, I appreciate it. Many people state their opinion as fact - whereas you stated plainly and simply what you desire - without justification (and what you desire - of course - needs none)

Anyway - I'm sorry ME 3 isn't given you a satisfying ending.