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[Texhnolyze101]

dreman9999 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Wow.

Say what you will, but if even half of what I've read in this thread is true then I can do naught but bow my head and respect BioWare's brass pair.

Knowing full well that many people have grown attached to ME's characters over the years, it takes some serious guts to forego fan love and give a story centered around galactic genocide the only ending it realistically should have - varying degrees of disaster based on player choices.

And I'm not even a fan of dark endings.

I know....I'm more excited for the game now.

Im not i have a un-caring attitude towards it to the point of not importing my shep and not caring about what ending i get with the failshep il create.

Then stop thinking about the ending and go for the experice. Do you not watch tragities because you know that everyone is going to die?

Well most people never know there will be a tragedy until it happens and since i know what will happen at the end of ME3 there's no point to try to "experience" it if i know whats going to happen anyway and my import shep will have no part in biowares nonsense.

[magnuskn]

dreman9999 wrote...I know it's a game...But it's a form of Medium...Just because it's a form of entertainment does not mean it can't have insightful context. This game just add a look of the world through other, unreal, character eyes like the chatacter that uses the line in my statment.

Also, Grim endings are not bad..It just sounds like an issues of fan service, like it always is when people seethe ending early.

Once again... options. Let the fans of tragedy have all the wrist-slitting endings they want, but not including a good ending? It's essentially telling that portion of the fan-base that "BioWare doesn't care about you". Not really an optimal strategy to maintain a devoted fandom.

Video games are a different medium than books or movies or television. In the latter type of media, you get one ending. Video games like Mass Effect have the option to give us multiple choices. Even with the caveat of "Shepard has to get out of the picture", there would have been no problem finding an option where s/he gets to live quietly with her/his love interest, but can't be the bad-ass saviour of the galaxy anymore. Maybe in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, whatever.

[Candidate 88766]

Femlob wrote...

Wow.

Say what you will, but if even half of what I've read in this thread is true then I can do naught but bow my head and respect BioWare's brass pair.

Knowing full well that many people have grown attached to ME's characters over the years, it takes some serious guts to forego fan love and give a story centered around galactic genocide the only ending it realistically should have - varying degrees of disaster based on player choices.

And I'm not even a fan of dark endings.

I can agree with this.

I'm not quite sure they've pulled it off completely - the send off for the characters i very poorly handled imo - but I think they've come up with endings that fit with the mood of ME3. They could have gone for a traditional victory, but instead they've gone for something a bit different. For players who go in unspoiled, the endings will be an absolute gut punch. Whether for better or worse, the end of ME3 will be remembered by players for a long time. I personally like the majority of how its been handled, apart from the send off for the characters. I imagine most people will intiially hate the endings, but some will probably grow to like them.

I am a bit annoyed with the range of choices though. They should range from bleak to bittersweet, not bleak to bleaker.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 28 février 2012 - 02:53 .

[Ryzaki]

dreman9999 wrote...
And with what you know about the reapers in ME....You need once ask your self how am I going to stop the reapers and note how  screwed you are?

Uh no because at that point the part of the game was about trying to stop them. Nice try though.

[ElitePinecone]

Total Biscuit wrote...
And besides, no one is complaining that the endings aren't overwhelmingly happy, or that there shouldn't be any sad or bitter sweet endings, we're complaining that there ARE NO HAPPY OR GOOD ENDINGS WHATSOEVER! There's NO CHOICE! And it's it's completely out of character fortune ME frqnchise as has been sold to us up until now.

Well put.

It's not so much bittersweet as just bitter. Various shades of bitter. 

[Ryzaki]

magnuskn wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...I know it's a game...But it's a form of Medium...Just because it's a form of entertainment does not mean it can't have insightful context. This game just add a look of the world through other, unreal, character eyes like the chatacter that uses the line in my statment.

Also, Grim endings are not bad..It just sounds like an issues of fan service, like it always is when people seethe ending early.

Once again... options. Let the fans of tragedy have all the wrist-slitting endings they want, but not including a good ending? It's essentially telling that portion of the fan-base that "BioWare doesn't care about you". Not really an optimal strategy to maintain a devoted fandom.

Video games are a different medium than books or movies or television. In the latter type of media, you get one ending. Video games like Mass Effect have the option to give us multiple choices. Even with the caveat of "Shepard has to get out of the picture", there would have been no problem finding an option where s/he gets to live quietly with her/his love interest, but can't be the bad-ass saviour of the galaxy anymore. Maybe in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, whatever.

This. Destroying the relays ends upw ith Shep being horribly disfigured and no longer able to fight or something. That is still a personal loss but could still have a moderate happy ending.

[Arch1eviathan]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Zreon wrote...

German magazine Gamestar already had the chance to play through the single-player campagin. They have a preliminary review in their magazine (which subscribers got yesterday). Preliminary because they couldn't test multiplayer yet.
In any case, they said the ending(s) were a worthy finish to a great triology and leave absolutely no loose ends from the previous games. Everything is wrapped up and adressed. So it won't be open ended and with tons of loose ends like DA2 apparently.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

That's certainly true I guess.

Oh god I don't even think I'm going to play the game next week and just watch this forum.

Don't forget the popcorn.

[dreman9999]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Wow.

Say what you will, but if even half of what I've read in this thread is true then I can do naught but bow my head and respect BioWare's brass pair.

Knowing full well that many people have grown attached to ME's characters over the years, it takes some serious guts to forego fan love and give a story centered around galactic genocide the only ending it realistically should have - varying degrees of disaster based on player choices.

And I'm not even a fan of dark endings.

I know....I'm more excited for the game now.

Im not i have a un-caring attitude towards it to the point of not importing my shep and not caring about what ending i get with the failshep il create.

Then stop thinking about the ending and go for the experice. Do you not watch tragities because you know that everyone is going to die?

Well most people never know there will be a tragedy until it happens and since i know what will happen at the end of ME3 there's no point to try to "experience" it if i know whats going to happen anyway and my import shep will have no part in biowares nonsense.

And wonder who fault is that?

Never read the end of the book that you clearly not close to finish reading.

[Candidate 88766]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...
And besides, no one is complaining that the endings aren't overwhelmingly happy, or that there shouldn't be any sad or bitter sweet endings, we're complaining that there ARE NO HAPPY OR GOOD ENDINGS WHATSOEVER! There's NO CHOICE! And it's it's completely out of character fortune ME frqnchise as has been sold to us up until now.

Well put.

It's not so much bittersweet as just bitter. Various shades of bitter. 

Yeah.

A truly happy ending would be out of place, but something bittersweet for the players who put a lot of work in would be good. As it stands, it seems that the series ends on a bitter note no matter what.

[magnuskn]

Juromaro wrote...

I'm not sure how any of the endings are a flavor of failure. Either way the Reapers are gone, and Galactic Life resumes.

And go ahead, half-ass it, don't give it your all. And watch you lose it all instead of a few.


keep saying "this is a game it's not real", that's not the point yes it is a game, a game about war, death, destruction, suffereing, genocide, murder, theft, but it's also about, life, love, happiness, and all that good stuff. and all that good stuff you get......just not at the end.

The end isn't about Shepard, it's about the Big picture. The Galaxy and the lives that are still in it. That is what Bioware has been trying to put across since ME1, they only used Shepard because they wanted to tell the story through his eyes, what he experienced, what he did and who he was, his choices that he had to make.

Maybe for you, but for lots of other people it was very much about Shepard. Which should be obvious from this thread and most other threads on this forum. But I guess the "Tragedy, yay!" fanbase will be enough to ensure BioWares independence in EA, a company  not known for tolerating sale failures too long. It certainly looks like a gamble to me. Or just arrogance.

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...
And besides, no one is complaining that the endings aren't overwhelmingly happy, or that there shouldn't be any sad or bitter sweet endings, we're complaining that there ARE NO HAPPY OR GOOD ENDINGS WHATSOEVER! There's NO CHOICE! And it's it's completely out of character fortune ME frqnchise as has been sold to us up until now.

Well put.

It's not so much bittersweet as just bitter. Various shades of bitter. 

My exact issue with it. I love bittersweet endings (it's why I had my Warden do the US) but just bitter? No thank you.

[AkiKishi]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

T1l wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


I was always going to go for the herioc death if it was an option.

This bothers me though. Why spend XX hours raising GR/Assests when there is no point to it ?
The key timesink in ME3 is pointless. In ME2 , no planet scanning people died.

This is partially what TB was talking about; these endings retroactively ruin your ME1 and 2 experiences because there isn't any point to them. There's zero meaning. I mean the whole shennanigans of ME2 was pointless from the get go - but now it's blatantly obvious that none of it mattered.

Story, Action or RPG mode?! ACTION PLZ! GG.

Kind of similer to the "choice" in the Demo with the kid in the vent. It didn't matter what you said to him, in the end same result. So what was the point in even choosing between " I'll protect you" or "Get out of here"? 

Why bother talking to him at all?

Because you are comparing a few minutes of clip to something that pads out a very short RPG. It's like why bother playing the game at all it's going to end pretty much the same whatever you do.
One thing that you could say about ME2 , regardless of how easy it was to get a "perfect". You did need to scan and upgrade.

[dayvancowboy1]

i am so relieved to read here that the ending fiasco is just because people are whiners. i was thought it was bad writing or something like that and was became nervous. now i'm much calmer and stoked for the game!

[dreman9999]

Ryzaki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And with what you know about the reapers in ME....You need once ask your self how am I going to stop the reapers and note how  screwed you are?

Uh no because at that point the part of the game was about trying to stop them. Nice try though.

Do you want me to list everything the reapers can do? If they want to kill us all, they would not even need to attack us directly. And you think you should have a happy ending with a foe like that? Ha. No one would take the ending seriously.

[dreman9999]

dayvancowboy1 wrote...

i am so relieved to read here that the ending fiasco is just because people are whiners. i was thought it was bad writing or something like that and was became nervous. now i'm much calmer and stoked for the game!

This...... I can wait for this game.

[Texhnolyze101]

If my shep can't live than no one else will either.

[AkiKishi]

Ryzaki wrote...

This. Destroying the relays ends upw ith Shep being horribly disfigured and no longer able to fight or something. That is still a personal loss but could still have a moderate happy ending.

No I want to DIE! Not end up Captain Christopher Pike.

[Ryzaki]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And with what you know about the reapers in ME....You need once ask your self how am I going to stop the reapers and note how  screwed you are?

Uh no because at that point the part of the game was about trying to stop them. Nice try though.

Do you want me to list everything the reapers can do? If they want to kill us all, they would not even need to attack us directly. And you think you should have a happy ending with a foe like that? Ha. No one would take the ending seriously.

Uh no. You =/= everyone.

And I'm not asking for a perfect no one dies ending. Just one where my Shep can have a small slice of happiness after all the crap he/she's been through. You disagreeing doesn't make it a bad ending that no one would take seriously.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2012 - 03:00 .

[Garrus30]

So let me get this right, everyone is mad about not having a true happy end and not about a crappy ending or whatever bad ending?

Than no problem for me, cause I always was set on a tragic ending, otherwise you can also complain about VS, that one of them has to die instead saving both of them.

Modifié par Garrus30, 28 février 2012 - 03:03 .

[Femlob]

magnuskn wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

I'm not sure how any of the endings are a flavor of failure. Either way the Reapers are gone, and Galactic Life resumes.

And go ahead, half-ass it, don't give it your all. And watch you lose it all instead of a few.


keep saying "this is a game it's not real", that's not the point yes it is a game, a game about war, death, destruction, suffereing, genocide, murder, theft, but it's also about, life, love, happiness, and all that good stuff. and all that good stuff you get......just not at the end.

The end isn't about Shepard, it's about the Big picture. The Galaxy and the lives that are still in it. That is what Bioware has been trying to put across since ME1, they only used Shepard because they wanted to tell the story through his eyes, what he experienced, what he did and who he was, his choices that he had to make.

Maybe for you, but for lots of other people it was very much about Shepard. Which should be obvious from this thread and most other threads on this forum. But I guess the "Tragedy, yay!" fanbase will be enough to ensure BioWares independence in EA, a company  not known for tolerating sale failures too long. It certainly looks like a gamble to me. Or just arrogance.

If you put aside your bias for a few seconds, it doesn't require a leap of faith to imagine that a story centered around galactic genocide is going to have some serious repercussions for the characters swept up in it. That there is going to be tragedy should have been obvious for everyone involved from the get-go.

Personally, I think way too many people have taken the phrase "Shepard's Story" a tad too literally. You experience the story through Shepard's eyes, to be sure, but at the end of the line (s)he's just one (wo)man against a massive invasion force comprised of gigantic sentient beings who have stood uncontested for time untold.

Naturally, there's also the crowd who just want to see Shepard make out with his or her love interest; if that's one's angle, all I can say is that it would probably be a good idea to carefully reconsider one's borderline obsession.

Modifié par Femlob, 28 février 2012 - 03:05 .

[dreman9999]

Ryzaki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And with what you know about the reapers in ME....You need once ask your self how am I going to stop the reapers and note how  screwed you are?

Uh no because at that point the part of the game was about trying to stop them. Nice try though.

Do you want me to list everything the reapers can do? If they want to kill us all, they would not even need to attack us directly. And you think you should have a happy ending with a foe like that? Ha. No one would take the ending seriously.

Uh no. You =/= everyone.

And I'm not asking for a perfrect no one dies ending. Just one where my Shep can have a small slice of happiness after all the crap he/she's been through. You disagreeing doesn't make it a bad ending that no one would take seriously.

As nice as that would be....It would be a lie....A war like this would not have any happy end for the hero.....And hereing this and happy for it because I alway suppected it.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Can someone tell me whether or not that is actually Total Biscuit? The Jesus of PC gaming? I'm not sure whether or not to take his words on in the form of WWJD, or to argue with this imposter.

[AkiKishi]

Femlob wrote...
If you put aside your bias for a few seconds, it doesn't require a leap of faith to imagine that a story centered around galactic genocide is going to have some serious repercussions for the characters swept up in it. That there is going to be tragedy should have been obvious for everyone involved from the get-go.

Personally, I think way too many people have taken the phrase "Shepard's Story" a tad too literally. You experience the story through Shepard's eyes, to be sure, but at the end of the line he's just one man against a massive invasion force comprised of sentient beings who have stood uncontested for time untold.

Naturally, there's also the crowd who just want to see Shepard make out with his or her love interest; if that's one's angle, all I can say is that it would probably be a good idea to carefully reconsider one's borderline obsession.

Bioware are partly to blame for this.

You want LI XXX? sure
You want everyone to be bi ?Sure
At every step giving the impression that the player can make the game whatever they want.

Now they have peoples money and it's too late for some it's like a big FU.
 
I don't care about the ends I always wanted the heroic death bit anyway. But some people don't and I'm fine with that in a game with multiple endings.

[kingsims]

Who are you talking about, i don't see totalbiscut in this thread? Btw i am fine with a shepard death ending (DA:O did the wardens death tastefully).

Modifié par kingsims, 28 février 2012 - 03:07 .