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[magnuskn]

Femlob wrote...

If you put aside your bias for a few seconds, it doesn't require a leap of faith to imagine that a story centered around galactic genocide is going to have some serious repercussions for the characters swept up in it. That there is going to be tragedy should have been obvious for everyone involved from the get-go.

Personally, I think way too many people have taken the phrase "Shepard's Story" a tad too literally. You experience the story through Shepard's eyes, to be sure, but at the end of the line he's just one (wo)man against a massive invasion force comprised of sentient beings who have stood uncontested for time untold.

Naturally, there's also the crowd who just want to see Shepard make out with his or her love interest; if that's one's angle, all I can say is that it would probably be a good idea to carefully reconsider one's borderline obsession.

Oh, for f**** sake... HELLO?!? ANYBODY LISTENING?!?

There should be an OPTION for a good ending. An OPTION! There are a lot bad endings already, does the mere existance of one good ending somehow threaten you "realism and tragedy!" types so much? Can't you live with the knowledge that Shepard could have had a good ending, if only you had chosen different actions?

Wow, man. People here make me despair for humanity. "No, nobody should be allowed to experience happyness, because I WANT EVERYONE TO SUFFER!". How essentially selfish.

[Kanmuru]

Garrus30 wrote...

So let me get this right, everyone is mad about not having a true happy end and not about a crappy ending or whatever bad ending?

Than no problem for me, cause I always was set on a tragic ending, otherwise you can also complain about VS, that one of them has to die instead saving both of them.

they are angry because SHEPPARD dosent have a happy ending for him/her, the rest of the galaxy (the ones that survive anyway) will be mostly happy at the end of the game...

[Ryzaki]

dreman9999 wrote...
As nice as that would be....It would be a lie....A war like this would not have any happy end for the hero.....And hereing this and happy for it because I alway suppected it.

This is a video game.

Where the protag has had happy endings for the last 2 in the series. Where yes there is some sacrifices but for the most part? He gets back up and walks with his head high.

That not being in ME3 to me makes it not worth playing. Not  until I can find a copy for like 10 bucks.

Plus optional you don't want happy ending for your Shep? Don't take it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2012 - 03:07 .

[Kanmuru]

Tragedy foir the main character =/= bad ending

[Costin_Razvan]

There is apparently an option where Shepard lives, what doesn't exist is an option where all life doesn't get completely ****ed up. What is the goddamn ****ing point of bothering to get the perfect ending, building fleets and alliance and all that when it the end it doesn't matter squat!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Just out of pure curiosity, do you guys think Red Dead redemption was a "waste of time" and anticlimactic because of it's ending?

[AlphaJarmel]

Kanmuru wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

So let me get this right, everyone is mad about not having a true happy end and not about a crappy ending or whatever bad ending?

Than no problem for me, cause I always was set on a tragic ending, otherwise you can also complain about VS, that one of them has to die instead saving both of them.

they are angry because SHEPPARD dosent have a happy ending for him/her, the rest of the galaxy (the ones that survive anyway) will be mostly happy at the end of the game...

Lol no.  Everybody loses in almost all if not all the endings.  There are no winners, even the survivors still are boned.

[AllThatJazz]

Femlob wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

While I don't think it's all so world ending as Total Biscuit makes it out (it is just a game series) - I do agree that the elements of a traditional Bioware game are opposite of a gritty story of loss and struggle.

Bioware games tend to cater to the most saccharin type of hero fantasy.

The precedent for loss, tragedy and struggle really should be set forth in the introduction to the series - and Virmire simply wasn't enough. It was one choice - a fluke... much like the suicide mission.

They were trying to break their audience into it slowly - and I feel like it has backfired (given the evidence of this thread).

ME 1 should have been brutal - with the loss of many team members we came to like - and then the player would have been informed going into 2 and 3 that this is going to be the standard of this series.

Very well put. In that sense, maybe ultra-Renegade was the best way to play through the series. No Wrex, Kirrahe team dead, Feros colonists shot, and Council sacrificed as well as the Virmire decision in ME1; then lots of squad and crew casualties in ME2 as well as a few renegade N7 decisions. ME3 doesn't seem quite so extreme in a renegade Shep scenario ...

Because people die even if Shepard isn't a full-blown raging *sshole?

That's a rather one-dimensional way of looking at things...

Completely one-dimensional, yes. I should probably have added an emoticon, I just wasn't sure which one was most apt ... ( possibly, I just didn't want to seem like I was taking the ****** out of Medhia's post, which was very well written). Was just trying to make the point that if you go through 2 full games trying to keep everyone alive (as I have on almost every playthrough), the events of ME3 are much harder to accept, than if you play a 'full bown raging ****' who takes a more pragmatic approach to casualties.

Still, it is a leap. Bioware created certain expectations in the players with ME1 and ME2 - namely, that a 'perfect' ending is possible by making particular choices and putting in a bit of effort - a couple of sad things (Virmire etc) here and there, which would obviously increase in magnitude in ME3, but a largely happy ending. Without having read any spoilers, it's looking as though that may not be the case. Which sucks for the people who have been shown or told from the start of the ME franchise that 'hey! Your choices really can make a difference!'. 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 28 février 2012 - 03:10 .

[Garrus30]

Kanmuru wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

So let me get this right, everyone is mad about not having a true happy end and not about a crappy ending or whatever bad ending?

Than no problem for me, cause I always was set on a tragic ending, otherwise you can also complain about VS, that one of them has to die instead saving both of them.

they are angry because SHEPPARD dosent have a happy ending for him/her, the rest of the galaxy (the ones that survive anyway) will be mostly happy at the end of the game...

couldn't it be that it just depends on the choices and side mission you took?

[Ryzaki]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

There is apparently an option where Shepard lives, what doesn't exist is an option where all life doesn't get completely ****ed up. What is the goddamn ****ing point of bothering to get the perfect ending, building fleets and alliance and all that when it the end it doesn't matter squat!

Oh god.

I agree with you.

RELAYS EXPLODING EVERYWHERE!

[Kanmuru]

Code Geas and Death Note are some of my favorite stories and their end is bittersweet (for the main character, the rest of the world is much better)

[Nyaore]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Just out of pure curiosity, do you guys think Red Dead redemption was a "waste of time" and anticlimactic because of it's ending?

Eh, I think the point some people are trying to make is that not having the option to have a relatively happy to bittersweet ending, as opposed to wholely bitter, is the problem. I loved RDR's ending, but it was never the type of game where I expected any amount of choice in how they went about telling the story - where as ME has always prided itself on it's ability to allow the player to affect how things work in their own game. 

[Ryzaki]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Just out of pure curiosity, do you guys think Red Dead redemption was a "waste of time" and anticlimactic because of it's ending?

RDR wasn't a goddamn trilogy where I payed ~60 bucks for each goddamn game.

Via my avie. I love P3. P3's main protag died. A. It was easy to see coming and B. The game wasn't really about choice. C. It was one game and didn't have me important data from 2 games ago and have the same protag throughout all 3.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2012 - 03:13 .

[Femlob]

magnuskn wrote...

Femlob wrote...

If you put aside your bias for a few seconds, it doesn't require a leap of faith to imagine that a story centered around galactic genocide is going to have some serious repercussions for the characters swept up in it. That there is going to be tragedy should have been obvious for everyone involved from the get-go.

Personally, I think way too many people have taken the phrase "Shepard's Story" a tad too literally. You experience the story through Shepard's eyes, to be sure, but at the end of the line he's just one (wo)man against a massive invasion force comprised of sentient beings who have stood uncontested for time untold.

Naturally, there's also the crowd who just want to see Shepard make out with his or her love interest; if that's one's angle, all I can say is that it would probably be a good idea to carefully reconsider one's borderline obsession.

Oh, for f**** sake... HELLO?!? ANYBODY LISTENING?!?

There should be an OPTION for a good ending. An OPTION! There are a lot bad endings already, does the mere existance of one good ending somehow threaten you "realism and tragedy!" types so much? Can't you live with the knowledge that Shepard could have had a good ending, if only you had chosen different actions?

Wow, man. People here make me despair for humanity. "No, nobody should be allowed to experience happyness, because I WANT EVERYONE TO SUFFER!". How essentially selfish.

I've previously stated that I'm not big on dark endings - but a game centered around galactic genocide should not have a "good" ending for the very simple reason that nothing "good" can come from galactic genocide.

Does the term "suspense of disbelief" mean anything to you at all?

[panamakira]

*gasps* Does Shep die? I will literally BURN my copy even though it's a big possibility seeing how everything will blow in our faces a la Reaper.

In case you're wondering I'm just guessing yo~

EDIT: 

And I agree with the poster above that seeing how serious **** is going down with the mass Genocide the Reapers are orchestrating. The fact that humanity and all other races are threatened. I feel like not everything CAN be negative. For sure a lot of tragedy will happen but even in tragedy something GOOD always comes out. I will like for the game to address this. Not everything is doomed, there's always hope, even if it doesn't look like it will.

DA2's ending wasn't great at all but the series is far from over I think, if they're planning on wrapping up Mass Effect, there has to be two sides. The tragedy and the hope of the future.

I reeeeaaaallly hope My Shep and Kaidan don't die to be honest but if it happens I'd like to see a really good reason why we couldn't have another option or leave it in a more positive note.

Modifié par panamakira, 28 février 2012 - 03:18 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

There is apparently an option where Shepard lives, what doesn't exist is an option where all life doesn't get completely ****ed up. What is the goddamn ****ing point of bothering to get the perfect ending, building fleets and alliance and all that when it the end it doesn't matter squat!

Oh god.

I agree with you.

RELAYS EXPLODING EVERYWHERE!

If Shepard could sacrifice himself and not lose the Relays then I would take that ending and I would be quite satisfied, but this? Why should I give a damn?

[Kanmuru]

Garrus30 wrote...

Kanmuru wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

So let me get this right, everyone is mad about not having a true happy end and not about a crappy ending or whatever bad ending?

Than no problem for me, cause I always was set on a tragic ending, otherwise you can also complain about VS, that one of them has to die instead saving both of them.

they are angry because SHEPPARD dosent have a happy ending for him/her, the rest of the galaxy (the ones that survive anyway) will be mostly happy at the end of the game...

couldn't it be that it just depends on the choices and side mission you took?

No, at the end sheppard will make a choice, and most of the outcomes of that choice will lead to the "bad endings"
The one choice that dosent have the "bad ending" is just :blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:, and will change all life in the galaxy forever (including shep)

[Ryzaki]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

There is apparently an option where Shepard lives, what doesn't exist is an option where all life doesn't get completely ****ed up. What is the goddamn ****ing point of bothering to get the perfect ending, building fleets and alliance and all that when it the end it doesn't matter squat!

Oh god.

I agree with you.

RELAYS EXPLODING EVERYWHERE!

If Shepard could sacrifice himself and not lose the Relays then I would take that ending and I would be quite satisfied, but this? Why should I give a damn?

Seriously BW just screwed over renegades with that. Completely pointless.

[Garrus30]

Wait if someone dies, they just could revive him/her like what Cerberus did with Shepard in ME2, so that could be the scene after the end credits.

[Texhnolyze101]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Just out of pure curiosity, do you guys think Red Dead redemption was a "waste of time" and anticlimactic because of it's ending?

No i knew he was going to die that fat a**hole wasn't just gonna let him walk away in fact RDR has one of the best endings for a game i ever seen. it also didn't help the fact that you kept meeting death throughout your journeys anyone with a brain knew that guy in the top hat was death.

[AkiKishi]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Just out of pure curiosity, do you guys think Red Dead redemption was a "waste of time" and anticlimactic because of it's ending?

No i knew he was going to die that fat a**hole wasn't just gonna let him walk away in fact RDR has one of the best endings for a game i ever seen. it also didn't help the fact that you kept meeting death throughout your journeys anyone with a brain knew that guy in the top hat was death.

You can't really compare a game with a fixed ending to one with multiple endings. By making it 7 flavours of ****sandwich it cheapens the time the player spends in the game.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 28 février 2012 - 03:18 .

[kingsims]

Renegades will be happy with the ending where Terminator Shepard, Terminates. LOL (ME2 Style of coruse )

Just Kidding thats not the ending.

Modifié par kingsims, 28 février 2012 - 03:21 .