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[Badpie]

Chrillze wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

So what stage is everyone in? I thought I was in anger, but by asking for a DLC ending, I guess I'm in bargaining. But I'm still angry.

Maybe the Kubler-Ross model doesn't work with videogames.

I'm in the acceptance stage, I am still pissed off but I feel like there's nothing we can do and BioWare won't change anything so I might aswell just accept that the ending to the trilogy isn't that good and that ME1 and 2 was a big waste of time 

I'm definitely still in the denial stage.  I haven't accepted this as fact.  I'm still holding out hope that this at the very least isn't the whole story.  I have to.  I have to think like that.  Otherwise I will get to this stage:

Yeah part of me still hopes it just fake, a small part of me thinks that bioware would never troll their fanbase this much. But after DA2 I'm not so sure anymore 

I mean aside from the idea of this being a cruel gesture to the fans (seriously) I have to believe that as storytellers who want people to care they wouldn't just make an ending that completely invalidates the entire previous story.  And this does.  When we finish this game, even if terrible things happen we should be filled with a sense of having "won."  And simply "defeating the Reapers" is not the way you "win" in a game like this.  To feel at all satisfied with the ending there has to be some kind of personal reward, not just "congrats.  You saved people I guess."  It will taste like ashes in my mouth.

I have to believe that the writers wouldn't be this heavy handed.  It's one thing to pepper in depressing stuff, but what makes something effective is having the other side of it to compare it too.  If we have no happiness or reprieve from being constantly beaten over the head about how DARK and GRITTY and HORRIBLE everything is, those things lose effectiveness.  I mean I feel like that's storytelling 101....

[CptBomBom00]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Sarcasm doesn't translate very well over the internet it seems.

I'm with you 100%.  After putting up with Infamous 2, FF13-2, and Dances with Dragons this year, I need something at least remotely uplifting.  I mean... the most uplifting game I've played in months was Deadily Premonition... Bleh.

Give me a break and let me have a bittersweet ending, Bioshock!  Even the "perfect" ending sounds just plain bitter.

At least my Nord hero defeated Alduin and got to live happily with his wife in Solitude, Bethsda know how to give good endings: leave it all up to the players imagination. 

Remember the reaction to FO3's ending? It was bittersweet and you weren't forced to do it anytime soon, but there was a massive uproar.

It's the same, except you are railroaded toward the end and it is just bitter.

F3 had the most contrived version of the "heroic sacrifice" trope I've ever seen.

"Hey Fawkes, mind heading into that room for 30 seconds and flipping a switch?  The radiation probably won't affect you at all."

"I would, but this is your destiny! . . . Or something."

Fans were absolutely right to get pissed off.

You think this is any better? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I actually want to know what you think.

It might be less contrived, but it certainly isn't better.  I'm very frustrated if the reported endings are accurate, and I won't be buying the game for full price.

Oh, you're right, it *is* far less contrived. But I would take a contrivered ending where Shepard defeats the Reapers with a computer virus over this. Or using a half stick of butter. Or by punching them repeatedly.

Or anything.

I agree, I would take any other endings than this sh*it, literally sh*it and not proper closure.

[Unit-Alpha]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

If those endings really turn out to be true for me on March 9, I will know that BW just screwed up whole series, think about, they were so close to perfect series, but instead Shepard being with his crew and then landing somewhere, god known where, we get those 3 f*ucked choices, what's this, Deus Ex HR all over agian????

Oh, DE:HR was bad, but this is worse. At least there we got a say in how it ended, rather than being forced down one path with very similar consequences if you deviate.

[Chrillze]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Sarcasm doesn't translate very well over the internet it seems.

I'm with you 100%.  After putting up with Infamous 2, FF13-2, and Dances with Dragons this year, I need something at least remotely uplifting.  I mean... the most uplifting game I've played in months was Deadily Premonition... Bleh.

Give me a break and let me have a bittersweet ending, Bioshock!  Even the "perfect" ending sounds just plain bitter.

At least my Nord hero defeated Alduin and got to live happily with his wife in Solitude, Bethsda know how to give good endings: leave it all up to the players imagination. 

Remember the reaction to FO3's ending? It was bittersweet and you weren't forced to do it anytime soon, but there was a massive uproar.

It's the same, except you are railroaded toward the end and it is just bitter.

F3 had the most contrived version of the "heroic sacrifice" trope I've ever seen.

"Hey Fawkes, mind heading into that room for 30 seconds and flipping a switch?  The radiation probably won't affect you at all."

"I would, but this is your destiny! . . . Or something."

Fans were absolutely right to get pissed off.

You think this is any better? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I actually want to know what you think.

It might be less contrived, but it certainly isn't better.  I'm very frustrated if the reported endings are accurate, and I won't be buying the game for full price.

Oh, you're right, it *is* far less contrived. But I would take a contrivered ending where Shepard defeats the Reapers with a computer virus over this. Or using a half stick of butter. Or by punching them repeatedly.

Or anything.

If they are going with these endings they could atleast do it like mars attacks did it, Shepard is sitting all alone on earth and his whole crew is gone, then from nowhere Tom Jones that has been in cryo-freeze for the last 200 years show up and starts to sing it's not unusual. END

[Sashimi_taco]

This is the one and only time I have ever rooted for pirates to crack the game early so we could really know for sure that the endings were.

[Ianamus]

I still can't believe that they managed to ****** off 90% of the fanbase. What did they think they were doing? And did they really believe that statements like "Not all people will be happy with ME3's ending" and "It's the journey, not the destination" would make up for the needlessly depressing, nonsensical, just plain badly written endings?

[Wheatax]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

If those endings really turn out to be true for me on March 9, I will know that BW just screwed up whole series, think about, they were so close to perfect series, but instead Shepard being with his crew and then landing somewhere, god known where, we get those 3 f*ucked choices, what's this, Deus Ex HR all over agian????

Sort of. Maybe there's another switch somewhere else. Why do games have nearly similar endings I wonder? Come forth March 6th! I need to test all the possible endings that are available.

Modifié par Drotter, 29 février 2012 - 03:34 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Chrillze wrote...

If they are going with these endings they could atleast do it like mars attacks did it, Shepard is sitting all alone on earth and his whole crew is gone, then from nowhere Tom Jones that has been in cryo-freeze for the last 200 years show up and starts to sing it's not unusual. END

This gains my approval.

At least I would be laughing at the end.

[Capeo]

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Cyricsservant101 wrote...

Sarcasm doesn't translate very well over the internet it seems.

I'm with you 100%.  After putting up with Infamous 2, FF13-2, and Dances with Dragons this year, I need something at least remotely uplifting.  I mean... the most uplifting game I've played in months was Deadily Premonition... Bleh.

Give me a break and let me have a bittersweet ending, Bioshock!  Even the "perfect" ending sounds just plain bitter.

At least my Nord hero defeated Alduin and got to live happily with his wife in Solitude, Bethsda know how to give good endings: leave it all up to the players imagination. 

Remember the reaction to FO3's ending? It was bittersweet and you weren't forced to do it anytime soon, but there was a massive uproar.

It's the same, except you are railroaded toward the end and it is just bitter.

F3 had the most contrived version of the "heroic sacrifice" trope I've ever seen.

"Hey Fawkes, mind heading into that room for 30 seconds and flipping a switch?  The radiation probably won't affect you at all."

"I would, but this is your destiny! . . . Or something."

Fans were absolutely right to get pissed off.

You could send Lyons in instead of you.  The game still ends and the narration chides you for not following your father's selfless example and calls Lyons a true hero.  Not great, but there was one option.

[Whatever42]

I can't believe Bioware is pulling a Fallout 3. I guess they wanted to be "edgy". Unfortunately, you can't start out writing star wars and end up writing the directors cut of Bladerunner with zero alternatives without pissing off a lot of people.

Including me.

I'm just really curious to how they expect to sell any DLC now.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 29 février 2012 - 03:35 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I can't believe Bioware is pulling a Fallout 3. I guess they wanted to be "edgy". Unfortunately, you can't start out writing star wars and end up writing the directors cut of Bladerunner with zero alternatives without pissing off a lot of people.

Including me.

Problem is, as much as I adore Bethesda (and I really do) FO3 wasn't about the characters or story. Mass Effect is 100% about the characters and story.

This would be like if they had made Skyrim a railshooter.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 février 2012 - 03:35 .

[Whatever42]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I can't believe Bioware is pulling a Fallout 3. I guess they wanted to be "edgy". Unfortunately, you can't start out writing star wars and end up writing the directors cut of Bladerunner with zero alternatives without pissing off a lot of people.

Including me.

Problem is, as much as I adore Bethesda (and I really do) FO3 wasn't about the characters or story. Mass Effect is 100% about the characters and story.

Yeah, and it spanned 3 games of you investing in the characters. It's worse, I agree.

But I'm still amazed. You would have thought they wanted replayability or to sell DLC. Who wants to replay a game with just sad endings? I'm glad they fulfilled their artistic vision but this is an awful business decision.

[k-baggs]

At least a lot of us regardless of preferred romance or morality alignment can be united in feeling pretty effing bad. This is like the Deception debacle but a hundred times worse. I wonder when this epic fandom explosion will make news, like on Kotaku, etc.?

[KMYash]

If there truely is no 'happy ending' this will basically be my reaction.
 

I play games 75% for story and 25% for gameplay (because I suck at gameplay:pinched:) so this would be a super kick to the face. It's not like we're asking for a 'And not a single person in the universe died because Shepard saved the day' but something more satisfying than what I've read here would be appreciated. 

[Combine911]

If this **** is true I might just cancel my pre-order and pirate the game


**** bioware

[Unit-Alpha]

Combine911 wrote...

If this **** is true I might just cancel my pre-order and pirate the game


**** bioware

Just cancel to be safe and see how it goes.

[jellobell]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I can't believe Bioware is pulling a Fallout 3. I guess they wanted to be "edgy". Unfortunately, you can't start out writing star wars and end up writing the directors cut of Bladerunner with zero alternatives without pissing off a lot of people.

Including me.

Problem is, as much as I adore Bethesda (and I really do) FO3 wasn't about the characters or story. Mass Effect is 100% about the characters and story.

This would be like if they had made Skyrim a railshooter.

This. I hated Fallout 3's ending so I just didn't end the game (until Broken Steel came out) and that was fine because it was about the world rather than the story.

That doesn't work for Mass Effect. I've been getting to know these characters for 6 years and I care about what happens to them.

[Chrillze]

KMYash wrote...

If there truely is no 'happy ending' this will basically be my reaction.
 

I play games 75% for story and 25% for gameplay (because I suck at gameplay:pinched:) so this would be a super kick to the face. It's not like we're asking for a 'And not a single person in the universe died because Shepard saved the day' but something more satisfying than what I've read here would be appreciated. 

Tom Jones make you happy?  
 

[CptData]

Badpie wrote...

I mean aside from the idea of this being a cruel gesture to the fans (seriously) I have to believe that as storytellers who want people to care they wouldn't just make an ending that completely invalidates the entire previous story.  And this does.  When we finish this game, even if terrible things happen we should be filled with a sense of having "won."  And simply "defeating the Reapers" is not the way you "win" in a game like this.  To feel at all satisfied with the ending there has to be some kind of personal reward, not just "congrats.  You saved people I guess."  It will taste like ashes in my mouth.

I have to believe that the writers wouldn't be this heavy handed.  It's one thing to pepper in depressing stuff, but what makes something effective is having the other side of it to compare it too.  If we have no happiness or reprieve from being constantly beaten over the head about how DARK and GRITTY and HORRIBLE everything is, those things lose effectiveness.  I mean I feel like that's storytelling 101....

Pretty much this.

And know what? We just feel that way because there's no ending where Shepard ends with his or her crew, the Normandy and of course the LI together. In all endings s/he'll either die or get separated.

Since this "Normandy-deal" pretty much f*cks up the "sweet" part in "bittersweet", I named the trope for this one "MASSPULL"

[jlb524]

Now 100 pages of pain.

[Creedio]

jellobell wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I can't believe Bioware is pulling a Fallout 3. I guess they wanted to be "edgy". Unfortunately, you can't start out writing star wars and end up writing the directors cut of Bladerunner with zero alternatives without pissing off a lot of people.

Including me.

Problem is, as much as I adore Bethesda (and I really do) FO3 wasn't about the characters or story. Mass Effect is 100% about the characters and story.

This would be like if they had made Skyrim a railshooter.

This. I hated Fallout 3's ending so I just didn't end the game (until Broken Steel came out) and that was fine because it was about the world rather than the story.

That doesn't work for Mass Effect. I've been getting to know these characters for 6 years and I care about what happens to them.

This so much  

[eye basher]

Yep this is better than any soap opera i've ever seen.

[yoshibb]

EJ107 wrote...

I still can't believe that they managed to ****** off 90% of the fanbase. What did they think they were doing? And did they really believe that statements like "Not all people will be happy with ME3's ending" and "It's the journey, not the destination" would make up for the needlessly depressing, nonsensical, just plain badly written endings?

This is what I don't get. They've always been pretty kind to us fans. They've brought back people in the series that we loved even though it wasn't totally convenient. Why would they do something so contrived and expect us to be ok with it? We've spent years with these characters, we know all about them to the point that they feel like friends.

Now we're forced to think that the Shepard we created must die alone and the crew of the Normandy inbreeds and starves to form a new colony? I mean you cannot write a worse, more depressing ending. It would be less depressing if they had all died. At least that would've been honorable and quick. This is just sadistic.

[CerberusSoldier]

Fafner_Ni wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

And I thought Team Dextro (and I do prefer Garrus and Tali over the other squadmates) was the favorite.

Isn't this quite a hard trolling?

"We listen to our fans and are sick of their Tali/Garrus adoration. Let's kill them. Slowly."

At least Team Dextro can share the same fate as "Happy End" Shepard. That's good.... right?

  


No its not

[wolf99000]

I get the whole scarfice bit but is not setting the whole galaxy into a dark age enough but to then cut shepard off from the crew on top of that is overkill as I said in another post

I would not mind the whole relay idea if it did not cut shepard and the others who get stuck with him off from the rest of the crew if it was the whole crew crashing on the planet I would not have so much of a problem with it