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[mr.surv]

They should put Wrex instead of astroboy.

W: Shepard
S: Wrex

[Pathero]

I think Preistly and Woo should come in and take a bow for making this EPIC thread possible

[soske aizen]

k guys plz plz plz try to stay on topic this theard is the only thing keeping me from going crazy ...no joke

Modifié par soske aizen, 13 mars 2012 - 10:38 .

[BIO18]

N7Infernox wrote...

I literally just stumbled upon this page off of Google. This has got to be the largest thread in BSN history.

Now, I haven't played my ME3 yet, but if the endings are as bad as everyone says they are, then I too hope that Bioware changes them.

LoL you should have seen before mass effect 2 came out. The tali and guarrus fans did this weekly for the option to have romance in mass effect 2

[SandTrout]

Temtimtom wrote...

I haven't made myself vocal in this matter yet. As with many of our colleagues hereh, I feel downright sad when I watched the outro. The Normandy scene, the tail shot and the melodic building up felt wrong yet well-executed to me.

It isn't a matter of how they executed the outros for Mass Effect 3, they were well done.

Only the info in them, the message they convey, and the feelings we all share with our companions that fail to process. They fail to give us the message that our player characterds, our Shepards did it.

1000+

I will make myself fully commited to this cause. If we stay HONEST, CIVIL and NUANCED enough with our opinions and motives. I'm sure we can accomplish what we want.

I will hold the line.

Welcome to the fleet. o7

[sirisaacx]

The craziest thing about this thread is that it isn't kept going by debate. It's 1000 pages of people AGREEING with one another.

[TheRealMithril]

Razgriz9327 wrote...

i am suprised that the mods are leaving us alone this long... there are many times they could have inserted a ban or removed posts for violations, but they have let us go... probably scared of the outcome of any attempt to censure the situation

Or it could serve as a reminder for us looking like complete idiots when the planned dlc which continues the battle is released. In which case we can rant all we want, because our own opinions will bite us in the ass.

[DifferentD17]

N7Infernox wrote...

I literally just stumbled upon this page off of Google. This has got to be the largest thread in BSN history.

Now, I haven't played my ME3 yet, but if the endings are as bad as everyone says they are, then I too hope that Bioware changes them.

Lol it is certainly not the largest thread.

[nitefyre410]

ashley_actually wrote...

Does anyone else feel like this is a new kind of backlash? 
I've lurked around the bioware boards off and on but was too intimidated to post. But after the ending I NEEDED to chat with people about it, and I've seen so many other first time poster posts in this thread. What convinced me to post is that everyone in this thread is so damn positive. For all the stereotypical nerd rage/fanboy whining (does the gaming industry not realize how many women play video games?) being thrown our way it's not the case in reality. For the most part people aren't threatening to rage quit bioware, people are looking for a reason to stay. The backlash isn't we hate you and want you to fail, it's we love you and want you to succeed. Over and over people keep saying how good the game was right up until the space wizard reaper god showed up and all they want is hope that it can be fixed sometime in the future. Not immediately, not even necessarily for free, just admit that the ending failed to give a satisfying conclusion and lets go from there. 
In short Bioware let us love you. We still want to love you. 

 

Like I said earlier... this is not hate...

its tough love... and sometimes tough love is needed.. 

[Nayt Navare]

Dunno if this was mentioned before, but a coworker and I discussed the whole thing at work, and he theorized it had to do wih the damned leak, that the new ending rush job is to blame for the whole ordeal. If that's true, then... We are partially to blame, lol.

[Computim]

BIO18 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

I literally just stumbled upon this page off of Google. This has got to be the largest thread in BSN history.

Now, I haven't played my ME3 yet, but if the endings are as bad as everyone says they are, then I too hope that Bioware changes them.

LoL you should have seen before mass effect 2 came out. The tali and guarrus fans did this weekly for the option to have romance in mass effect 2

Guess what?  It worked

[FinalEndeavor]

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

If Bioware left out the endings due to time constraints, and knew that they couldn't deliver satisfactory endings with their time limit. I'd be completely happy with their decision if it were their plan all along to release the endings later because they wanted to be sure they were worthy to release.

[People4Peace]

mr.surv wrote...

They should put Wrex instead of astroboy.

W: Shepard
S: Wrex

I would support this.

And at least I have some attachment to Wrex...

Modifié par People4Peace, 13 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[Darth Garrus]

It surely does feel like the end was a dream caused by sever injuries after the Reaper´s laser got you, or because of indoctrination afterwards. It very well may have been a way of keeping Shep out of the fight. But it still does not make it a good thing. I repeat. Even after we get a good ending and a good explanation (IF we get...), it´s not good to release a game that is not complete.

Expansions and DLCs shouldn´t be necessary for a game to be complete.

And you also have "stargazer"...

[Deventh]

I just finished the game and i want to join the crowd people that don't like the ending. I am with you guys...this is just insane. All this talk about little blue children and shepard just dies in the end ? No explanation or anything. What the hell BioWare?!

[Edbi]

topic Was the ending a hallucination? has now 370+ pages + with other topics it could be 2000

[Jago360]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Neon Panther22 wrote...

DJ Shepard wrote...

1000! Drinks on the citadel for everyone......oh wait....never mind

Ouch.... funny but still.... ouch

Drinks on Omega then! ...Everyone will have to pay $10 to get in though...

If i pay, can i hear aria saying"don't **** with aria?" because the whole me2-3 game i wish i could say her"i would if i could"

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Whether this was made up or not... WTF: can someone hire this guy?

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265

linkg to it


After checking these boards, bioware forums, the twitters of various people involved with the game, audio file rips as well as some information I've gathered from other sources, I decided to talk with someone who used to run their own review website who still has ties to some people in the video game industry. That includes Bioware (they had sent him early review copies of the first ME). Anyway that's not what's important. The point is what I'm about to say you can take with a grain of salt if you want. I'm not here for attention or because I'm a fanboy of bioware. I'm simply here to help you all make sense of this situation. It will make a lot of sense and put the little things you've all found together. The reasoning for the ending change was they needed more time to implement it (this was supposed to be the reason for the delay) but Kinect implementation and the desire by some people (perhaps EA) to have an ending where things are left to interpretation messed with this. The ending was quickly altered which is why things don't "fit" and there are plot holes. Anyway, below is how things were supposed to happen.

The original ending was SUPPOSED to be extremely varied. Everything remained the same up until the part when Harbinger shoots at you and your team. This is when information that has appeared here already comes into play. There were going to be various outcomes determining how you reached the citadel and it was HOW you got there that determined what endings would be available to you. The following were the different scenarios from worst to best (based on EMS and war assets)

A: Your whole squad gets wiped out (the two crew members you took with you, Anderson). You struggle to make it to the citadel. Right as you're about to make it to the beam, Harbinger talks to you, saying you've been defeated and he kills you. Joker tries to swoop down to save you, but he also gets shot down.

B: Most of your squad gets wiped out. Still only you are able to make it to the citadel. Once up there, you must confront the illusive man alone. Because of this, unless you have high reputation and either talk him down or renegade interrupt and shoot him, he kills you and tries to control the reapers, but fails as he discovers he was indoctrinated.

C: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together and make your way to the control panel where you confront TIM. The same thing plays out where you can talk him down. With high enough reputation, you can "save" Anderson but its not necessary for you to make it to the next part. Anderson dies after TIM is shot or kills himself like in the ending we got.

D: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together while you're two squad maters, who clearly survive, are holding off the reapers from following you to the citadel. Everything continues the same here as "C" until after TIM is shot and killed and the final conversation that Anderson and Shepard have (which is much longer than what we got). You get the shorter convo in C.

[The following you only see with outcome "C' and "D"] Shepard looks out at the war going on and activates the crucible. Hacketts says its not working. This is when Harbinger talks to Shepard through TIM as he lies on the ground. Harbinger tries to convince you that you've fail but you can argue with him. Harbinger says that he has your crew in his cross hairs. We see the Normandy arrive (the joker dialogue that was cut) and the rest of your friends help the two squad members you brought with you face off against Harbinger and his reaper minions.
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You basically have a choice. You can submit to him and he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast and they began to control all the other races, which would have prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.

Either way, you can submit to him and save your people or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will live or die.

After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not), you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident. You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the only ending where the relays are destroyed).

Now for the four endings.

If you submit to him before the three main choices, the reapers leave earth but end up wiping out every other race who haven't proved themselves worthy. Shepard dies.

If you merge, the reapers leave and like the ending we got, we see all the characters we know with green eyes as a green light brightens the sky. Shepard dies for the same reasons in the ending we got.

The control option, the reapers leave. Everyone cautiously celebrates while joker and your LI look up to the sky and wonder what exactly happened. Life goes on but its hinted that the reaper threat may return. This ending ends on a cliffhanger.

The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they will find him/her obviously.

Fictional or not, it's a lot better than what we got.

[LostHero2k9]

About that EMS thingy:

i imported a "perfect" savegame were everything is alive which leads to the strongest possible alliances in ME3 (all fleets/races/npcs/etc).
I ended up with... dunno something around 3800? EMS with a readyness of 50%.
So i was far away from that 4k needed to see shep breathe!

And i am also 99% sure, that i did not miss anything (every sectore discovered 100%, every quest done, all assets collected, etc).
So yeah.... i would sign that theory that without MP it is impossible to get 4k+ EMS unless someone proves me wrong!

[laughing sherpa girl]

ashley_actually wrote...

Does anyone else feel like this is a new kind of backlash? 
I've lurked around the bioware boards off and on but was too intimidated to post. But after the ending I NEEDED to chat with people about it, and I've seen so many other first time poster posts in this thread. What convinced me to post is that everyone in this thread is so damn positive. For all the stereotypical nerd rage/fanboy whining (does the gaming industry not realize how many women play video games?) being thrown our way it's not the case in reality. For the most part people aren't threatening to rage quit bioware, people are looking for a reason to stay. The backlash isn't we hate you and want you to fail, it's we love you and want you to succeed. Over and over people keep saying how good the game was right up until the space wizard reaper god showed up and all they want is hope that it can be fixed sometime in the future. Not immediately, not even necessarily for free, just admit that the ending failed to give a satisfying conclusion and lets go from there. 
In short Bioware let us love you. We still want to love you. 

No no.. you do not understand..
in gaming world, you do not quit Bioware
Bioware quits you..

[Will Kenni]

The results of hard work carried us here, you all have gained their attention,shown your dedication. I am proud of you all for your efforts and your drive. We love Mass Effect as a united front, the bad endings do not change that, they love Mass Effect, and want to share this with us. There are those who might rightfully doubt all the tweets will lead to good news, but as someone posted, it seems like something is coming. I will continue to monitor as I have been. Once again, good job people.

[Matt_gekko88]

Anything happened on Twitter?

[BIO18]

[quote]TamiBx wrote...

[quote]Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

[quote]TamiBx wrote...

[quote]People4Peace wrote...

[quote]BIO18 wrote...

[/quote]

Na he is either not telling the truth or he sucks at math. If he had 7000+ ems with 100%galactic readiness it means he would have had around 3500 ems without MP

[/quote]

"She" by the way. Though it was my mistake because I was thinking EMS, not TMS.

Just checked my last save:
TMS: 7107
EMS: 6893 (Still damn close)
Galactic readiness: 97% (since I haven't played since last night but it was 100/99% making the rest higher)


[/quote]

Oh, okay. That's fine. I'm just trying to find someone who achieved that without touching multiplayer, like Bioware promised that was possible...then again, Bioware promised us many things...

[/quote]

If you do find someone that pulled it off, let me know. I'd be very interested in how as well.
[/quote]

Yeah, I can't play multiplayer (as in internet connection is limited at school) and no one has been able to get over 4000 ems without playing mp at least once. This makes me so angry and sad at the same time...

[/quote]

I was around 3600 ems without playing MP. But I didnt find conrad=300ems, I tell kelly to change identity=100ems and I gave up on galactic exploration after the geth chapter. Sooo I'm playing again, getting those extra ems, hope I get it right

[NubXL]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Please let me post it again.

That's what I've been saying this whole time.  The 180 people are doing is absolutely absurd.