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[Fox544]

I love how Origin is now offering copies of Arkham City for $10 if you buy ME3. They're obviously hoping to bribe people who cancelled their pre orders or who are shying away because of this.

Modifié par Fox544, 13 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[Sky Grey Hawk]

Nilofeliu wrote...

From adept123

OK so I chose the "perfect" ending. The one where Shepard lives and Reapers get destroyed.

-How was anything saved? Mass Relay explosion results in a super nova. That super nova made Normandy crash land.
-Is this some kind of a huge plot hole?
-why did they decide to destroy the relays anyway? * image removed *

-After Normandy crash landed they end up on this jungle planet, and this picture with grandpa and a child shows after the credits. Did the crew of the Normandy all had sex and multiplied or....

This was a fair question made by a player in another thread. By the way, the thread has been locked.

From Stanley Woo

This thread seems to offer the service you're looking for. Thank you.

End of line.

Just look at the thread he is directed to. The Bioware rules and every player who didn't get the end is dumb thread...

Shame on you Bioware...

Yeah and notice how many pages THAT thread is... 32. Ours=more than 1000.... we win.

Modifié par Neon Panther22, 13 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[LostHero2k9]

Would you mind stop posting faster than i can read please? I can barely keep up, have to work while reading and posting .

But to keep on topic, i have another thing that comes to my mind regarding the dream/indoctrination theory:

if this is true and if the game will continue "later one" as so many of us hope why do we see shep breathing only when choosing the red space-magic? This some how devalues the theory if you ask me (they cant let the game continue only for those how chose the red corner).

This doesnt make sense to me. Although when you look at the "breathing scene" carefully it looks like shep is still on the ground in london and not on the citadel. Which enforces the theory that he got hit be the laser and was knocked out rather than beeing on the citadel!

But how would/could they explain what happens to those who choose blue or green? Might be better to always show that breathing scene no matter which way you choose (IF they continue the storry at that point!). What do you think?

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

zoider16 wrote...

I am not sure how many people here are going along with the idea that this whole thing is a giant troll but I have a question about it. If this turns out to be the biggest troll/pr stunt in gaming history would you be impressed or angry at Bioware?

A little of column A and a little of column B.  Imagine if your internet was down for a few days when they release the new ending.  I don't think its just a publicity stunt but ideally I'd turn out to be wrong.

[RogueAngel0]

Tainan7509 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Page 2000, we're coming 

I think BW will make a statement before that happen... i think. Anyway, which choices in the end did anyone pick? i wonder.

I hope they do. I ened up chosing synthesis it took me about 10 mins to decide. Then I went back and chose control only to find they were the same....

[OchreJelly]

streamlock wrote...

Well. This would not be totally unprecedented by Bioware. I mean all the smoke and mirrors would-but not the "Ah the ending was not an ending!"

Shadows of Amn left the Bhaal child saga pretty unconcluded. It was not until the expansion-Throne of Bhaal was it? That the saga came to completion.

*Snip*

I get what you're saying, but BG2: SoA concluded the story it presented throughout the game itself, while mostly having subplots and other elements related to the overarching Bhaalspawn story arc that the game series was about.

Plus expansion packs were almost defacto-standard for successful games back then.

Besides that I think there was a major difference in scope compared to BG2 and ME3; ME3 affects a whole galaxy while BG2 was essentially a single individual story that had possible ramifications for others at the end.

Modifié par OchreJelly, 13 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[Aeyl]

Tainan7509 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Page 2000, we're coming 

I think BW will make a statement before that happen... i think. Anyway, which choices in the end did anyone pick? i wonder.

I picked the destroy ending in which Shepard lives

Interestingly enough, somebody mentioned the "LegendSave.pcsav", and I tried out all the different endings, but I only have one LegendSave.pcsav (and it corresponds to the time when I finished the "Destroy: Shepard lives" ending.) So I assume that it records which ending you picked....For whatever purpose that is... *shrugs*

[Soundsystem]

Muezick wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

Muezick wrote...

Muezick wrote...

If you people followed twitter you'd know you aren't "being ignored"

They are OBVIOUSLY planning to release SOMETHING monumental. I put my faith in Bioware that it wont be some kind of "take back omega" bull**** DLC either.

They aren't going to address the ending, they're going to continue the game because it hasn't ended yet.

In fact, i'm still sticking with my guns that we're going to see a Dragon Age: Awakening style Expansion pack to this game.

if they do have these SUPAR AMAZBALLS PLANZ they would do well to mention them.

I can understand not wanting to spoil things. But would a simple post or tweet that says, "We will address this at x time" be so hard. If they are waiting for release in Japan to happen or something like that just say "We will not be commenting on anything game related until X time".

Not ignoring people who are understandably angry and betrayed while seemingly retweeting every single positive comment they can get their hands on. It comes across as the digital way of shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU. GO AWAY YOU MEANIES!"

http://dictionary.re...publicity stunt 


p.s. It's working

Assuming there is one.

Even if they pull the greatest ending of all time out I will still have lost serious respect points for Bioware. There's publicity stunts and trolling. But at some point you cross over into just being a jerk.

(I also realize my post there may have come off as angry at you. Nothing against you and your viewpoint. I just completely loathe how Bioware has handled this.)

[Larask]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

Doppelgaenger wrote...

BIO18 wrote...

DAMIT I should be learning my spanish for tomorrow but I INDOCTRINATED by this thread !!!!

I should be working on my paper. However, I care more about a new ending.

Same here. No homework getting done, very little real work (damn high-speed free wifi) and almost no sleep. I'm right there with you, for what it's worth.

Same here. Trying to get homework done and trying to study for my test. But what do I keep doing?? Checking BSN for any news.... sigh thanks BW for disturbing my mind like this lol. 

[Nex_Legis]

German fleet activating multicore shielding for the night. Hold the line!

[GWeapon]

Crazy crazy amount of replies here so no i didn't read the whole lot (Nothing after the first page yet) but I just wanted to throw my opinion in that I would also be willing to pay for DLC that had an alternate happily ever after stereotype ending. These endings really do ruin the saga for me.

Why choose between Ash and Kaiden when in the end it won't matter? Why get everyone through the suicide mission when in the end it won't matter?

With luck, Bioware will see our thoughts here and try to make it right.

[Salazar501]

I just saw this now, but, there is an achievment called "battle-scarred" it's description says: " Promote a multiplayer character to the galaxy at war OR IMPORT AN ME3 CHARACTER."
Any thoughts on this?

[B.Shep]

zoider16 wrote...

I am not sure how many people here are going along with the idea that this whole thing is a giant troll but I have a question about it. If this turns out to be the biggest troll/pr stunt in gaming history would you be impressed or angry at Bioware?

Angry.
But like a said before lets not keep our hopes to high guys unless BW explicitly say they will fix the end.

[Doppelgaenger]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

Doppelgaenger wrote...

BIO18 wrote...

DAMIT I should be learning my spanish for tomorrow but I INDOCTRINATED by this thread !!!!

I should be working on my paper. However, I care more about a new ending.

Same here. No homework getting done, very little real work (damn high-speed free wifi) and almost no sleep. I'm right there with you, for what it's worth.

Well it brings us closer together and that is at least something, isn't it?

[Sarz91]

TIAX RULES ALL posted:

I am making this post in an honest attempt to help people understand and appreciate the endings more. I personally feel after reading posts here and hearing from friends that, most of this anger over the endings is caused because they did not see the over 4000 asset "destroy" option ending.

I hope to make a complete and easy explanation of the ending, comment if you think I need to adjust or add to it.
This post does not apply to those who just don't like it because of its lack of detailed epilogue.

First of all there is one ending that is the real ending and all other endings are tricks and illusions. In fact the only REAL ending in the whole game is if you pick the destroy option with over 4000 assets. The real ending is only that 20 seconds they show of Shepard in the rubble and then takes a breath.

That (supposed to be) eye opening moment is supposed to tell you that Shepard was never on the Citadel. He lies just where he was knocked out by the destroyer blast, in the rubble of London. This is where the confusion takes place.

Everything that happens after the destroyer hits Shepard during his charge is a combination of a dying Shepard's hallucinations and reaper indoctrination trying to take over. Right after the blast, Shepard wakes with his armor half blown off. This is not just cut scene fubar, this is the start of his indoctrination fight when everything is slightly off, as in a dream (because it is)

If you listen to the radio chatter before Shepard goes into the beam, you can hear allied forces saying that NOBODY made it to the beam, not you and not Anderson before you. This is the real world radio chatter now in the background subconscious of this hallucination.

After he reaches the Citadel there is more oddness that should be setting off triggers for the player that something is not right, that this is an illusion... Anderson describes shifting walls and only ever agrees with Shep on his surroundings after Shep describes his and saying "like the collector base you described". Everything is just a projection from Shepard's mind and subconscious.

When you are having the conversation with TIM and Anderson, It's all just again Sheps subconscious reminding himself and the player about indoctrination and what happens when you stop fighting it... you lose control (shoot Anderson) This is similar to the nightmares Shep has of the boy. This is the game through Shep's subconscious telling you do not follow the kid, you will burn (kid goes up in flames). And the last one when you see she with the kid and they both burn. Again telling you, no matter what happens you will get burned by trusting the kid.

There are more allusions to not trusting Cerberus/reapers throughout the game as well. You really start to see them after you understand the indoctrination ending. For example: TIM talking to Kai Lang says "Shepard was always going to stay true to his ideals" subtlety suggesting that the player should do the same and not let TIM/reapers compromise you destroying the reapers. The goal you have had since the very beginning. Also before the attack on Cerberus base I believe, there is a quantum comm. call between you and Hackett. You have the option of saying something like "what if TIM is right and the reapers CAN be controlled" and Hackett shoots you down. Gives you a direct order to kill TIM and destroy reapers. No questions asked. Once again, game trying to remind you of the one true goal and keep you focused.

Now about the Catalyst and the crucible conversation and decision itself... By this time indoctrination is very close to taking over. The end is near. The catalyst looks like the little boy because of shep's subconscious and indoctrination is feeding off that. Everything in this scene is A LIE. The choices and how they are presented to you are all part of the deception to get Shepard to give his mind into indoctrination and lose the will to fight it.

You are presented first with the destroy option. He says "I KNOW you have been thinking of destroying us but..." The catalyst is scared, knows that its only chance is to manipulate Shepard here and now. It's painted in renegade red to through you off. This is purposefully done to manipulate Shepard's decision to fight. He tells you all synthetic life will be wiped out, including Geth and including Shepard because he is partially cybernetic himself. In sales you always present the worst option first and the best for last. So the next 2 options can then be presented and made more appealable.

the other 2 options do not let you ever see Shepard "alive" at the end so to me BOTH of these options are fails and result in you being indoctrinated and/or dying right there on the streets of London. Without that last breath scene. There can be no happy ending. I will elaborate on them a bit more separately.

Synthesis was in the middle and last option presented, this is what they ultimately want. He even likened the synthesis to husks in his description. The reapers want to harvest organics and change them into hybrids. By choosing synthesis you would be doing their work for them in an instant. Basically I see this as total fail ending, you have been played.

Now the control option was not presented as prominently as the synthesis but was still painted in paragon blue and offered as an option still better then destroy. In the end the result for choosing this is the same behind the scenes. Shepard gave into indoctrination/death and you do not get the breath tidbit.

So if you choose destroy like I believe we are somewhat intended to, remember that the explosion cut scene and relays exploding and Normandy running/crashing ALL OF THAT IS STILL HALLUCINATION. This is Shepard's subconscious imagining a "happy ending" he imagines reapers destroyed, earth fighters celebrating, and he imagines and ending for companions. The lush new planet-scape is just a metaphor for starting over and them being at peace. That's why immediately after they show Shep waking up, to solidify the dream idea.

At that point you are supposed to start thinking about what really happened. Shepard is alive, on Earth, has conquered indoctrination. Another HUGE thing is that after destroying the reapers you were supposed to be dead. Recalling the little boy "you will die as you are partly synthetic". When you wake up after that in the rubble, it should be a clear indication that you have been lied to. You did not die like the boy said you would, he just said that to dissuade you. The rest is left even more ambiguous but...

I personally believe that Shepard's job ended there. His companions who followed him at the last rush are dead beside him not suddenly on the Normandy and suddenly in a new system living happily ever after. That only happens in dreams He gathered the forces needed to beat the reapers. And it's the allied forces of the galaxy that ultimately stop the reapers. And that force would never have been formed without Shepard. As the stargazer after the credits says "the details have been lost to history" and there is still "one more story" to tell. So even though Shep was never on the citadel, the idea that Shep is a legend and is credited in destroying the reapers is true.

Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.



TL;DR (oh come on read above, its good
2 parts, first everything that happens between Shepard getting hit by the destroyer eye blast during the London charge and the "take a breath" scene (that you only get by choosing correct choices and having high enough EMF) Is a hallucination/indoctrination process that Shepard is fighting in his head.


There is only one real ending, the ending you have been groomed for since the beginning. Destroy the reapers at all costs. All other endings that do not have Shepard alive at the end are lies. They are illusions and means that Shepard gave into indoctrination and never awoke back on earth to realize this. And the player doesn't understand.

All the supposed plot holes can be explained by this. See examples above. Ask me questions if you have them, I will try to clarify for you in comments.

Also if you would rather watch 3 minutes of youtube, this is a rather good but not totally complete ending explaination. I approve


FINAL NOTE
I love this ending because of what Bioware did. They actually indoctrinated their own customers. They made and ending where you the player play through a real-time indoctrination of not just your character but of the player. They presented the ending in such a way that you had to fight indoctrination right along with Shepard. The game actively tries to fool you and manipulate your decisions away from the "best" and ONLY true ending, this is no typical ending by any shot and they did this KNOWING that their fan base might not understand it and take what they showed us at face value. Those people will never get why their ending doesn't make sense and will be angry unnecessarily. For those like myself though. I feel like it's a twist worthy of the best games/movies out there and that some ambiguity is better than the spelled out epilogue slideshow at the end.

[Nilofeliu]

Googling for it, but haven't found anything so far.. Any news?

[BIO18]

and then BAM we learn that there is a mass effect 4 that pick up when Shepard gets hit by the beam...
I know I know... I'm tired, its late.

[Dj14365]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Dj14365 wrote...

Guess who is about to get talked about on national tv. WE ARE!! Watching attack of the show on g4 tv and they just said they are talking about us later in the show. Way to go us.

dont be surprised if it isnt a posityive statement. remember, G4 is in EA's pocket..

I get that but think of how many people will be watching. Then think how many have played are disappointed don't know that others feel the same and join us. Most importantly think of how many perspective buyers will be driven away by this airing. The farther this spreads the worse it gets for EA and BW, and we are more likely to get results.

[zer00a]

www.youtube.com/watch

Keep the fight going folks! gnight.

[MacNille]

I will wait and see. Hope that Bioware will do something good.

[Carlthestrange]

I am pleased to see this thread is so huge. Its a sign ot bioware of the disappointment they have spread with the "X-Files" ending they tried to push on us.

[hosen17]

Gotta say, the disbelief and depression is slowly fading for me. I'm still sceptical towards the future though, regarding the remake of the endings

[WarBaby2]

Deventh wrote...

We are some force 

Doing the Vanille voice: "YEAY US!"

[sumo390]

NPH11 wrote...

ReapersSniper wrote...

http://gamerant.com/...lc-robk-138120/

How could Justicar be a new class? What?

Ardat-Yakshi first please

[Larask]

GWeapon wrote...

Crazy crazy amount of replies here so no i didn't read the whole lot (Nothing after the first page yet) but I just wanted to throw my opinion in that I would also be willing to pay for DLC that had an alternate happily ever after stereotype ending. These endings really do ruin the saga for me.

Why choose between Ash and Kaiden when in the end it won't matter? Why get everyone through the suicide mission when in the end it won't matter?

With luck, Bioware will see our thoughts here and try to make it right.

That seems to be the general consensus. Too many choices that didn't matter and a lot of questions in the end. I still have faith in BW, they won't leave us like this, especially if we stay strong.