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[Jago360]

Ampmaster wrote...

Jeez I go away for a few hours and we break 1k!

Yep, while you are sitting on a red,blue or green chair, we were busy:P

[BIO18]

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ONE THOUSAND PAGES?! YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. HOLD THE LINE!

100 pages in 18 hours, and $7500 donated in less than a day. Amazing.

WTF donations ??? Who the hell was smart enogh to make himself 7500 bucks outa desprate people ?

[ViperAlvein]

I look forward to the point where we can cry "AND WE HELD THE LINE!"

Modifié par ViperAlvein, 13 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[Rothgar49]

Off for the night, good luck guys 2000 by the morning

[PhoenixDove1]

TamiBx wrote...

Bladewinger wrote...

 social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9872108&lf=8

Did some of you notice that? 

TROLOLOL

I hate you, Bioware 

wow.  way to twist the knife

[Stygian1]

zoider16 wrote...

I am not sure how many people here are going along with the idea that this whole thing is a giant troll but I have a question about it. If this turns out to be the biggest troll/pr stunt in gaming history would you be impressed or angry at Bioware?

I'd be neither, I'd just feel relieved that this rock headed peace of crap of writing isn't the ending to my all time favourite trilogy ever. I'd probably run through the street in the rain with ambiguosly loud 80's music playing in the background.

[soske aizen]

BIO18 wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ONE THOUSAND PAGES?! YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. HOLD THE LINE!

100 pages in 18 hours, and $7500 donated in less than a day. Amazing.

WTF donations ??? Who the hell was smart enogh to make himself 7500 bucks outa desprate people ?

no its the cash we gave to childs play

[baronkohinar]

BIO18 wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ONE THOUSAND PAGES?! YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. HOLD THE LINE!

100 pages in 18 hours, and $7500 donated in less than a day. Amazing.

WTF donations ??? Who the hell was smart enogh to make himself 7500 bucks outa desprate people ?

The donations are for the Child's Play charity in the movement's (retake ME3) name.

[Sywen]

BIO18 wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ONE THOUSAND PAGES?! YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. HOLD THE LINE!

100 pages in 18 hours, and $7500 donated in less than a day. Amazing.

WTF donations ??? Who the hell was smart enogh to make himself 7500 bucks outa desprate people ?

A legit charity jeez maybe look before make accusations like this
http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play 

[Chatboy 91]

BIO18 wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ONE THOUSAND PAGES?! YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. HOLD THE LINE!

100 pages in 18 hours, and $7500 donated in less than a day. Amazing.

WTF donations ??? Who the hell was smart enogh to make himself 7500 bucks outa desprate people ?

http://social.biowar...index/9845819/1 

[Aeyl]

BIO18 wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ONE THOUSAND PAGES?! YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. HOLD THE LINE!

100 pages in 18 hours, and $7500 donated in less than a day. Amazing.

WTF donations ??? Who the hell was smart enogh to make himself 7500 bucks outa desprate people ?

It is donated to charity from the "ChipIn" website. (I forgot the name)

So no, nobody is unjustly profiting from this. It is going to charity

[Sarz91]

RogueAngel0 wrote...

Sarz91 wrote...

TIAX RULES ALL posted:

Snip....

That all sounds legit and cool, but whilst we may be wrong, (and whilst the evidance supports you) you could also be wrong. But I really-really hope you're right.

When a thread popped up asking for an explanation of the endings Stanley Woo closed it and directed him to that post. I could be reading into it too much but its more than we have.

[RazorrX]

Nilofeliu wrote...

From adept123

OK so I chose the "perfect" ending. The one where Shepard lives and Reapers get destroyed.

-How was anything saved? Mass Relay explosion results in a super nova. That super nova made Normandy crash land.
-Is this some kind of a huge plot hole?
-why did they decide to destroy the relays anyway? * image removed *

-After Normandy crash landed they end up on this jungle planet, and this picture with grandpa and a child shows after the credits. Did the crew of the Normandy all had sex and multiplied or....

This was a fair question made by a player in another thread. By the way, the thread has been locked.

From Stanley Woo

This thread seems to offer the service you're looking for. Thank you.

End of line.

Just look at the thread he is directed to. The Bioware rules and every player who didn't get the end is dumb thread...

Shame on you Bioware...

Well actually what that thread is about is the fact that the ONLY real ending is the one with shep lying on the ground earthside.  The destroy, control and merge parts are actually taking place in a dying shepards mind, and are part of the indoctrination process.  If you choose destroy you are not indoctrinated and will pick yourself back up (maybe) and continue the fight later.

Not a bad ending (too bad 4k+ ems needs multiplayer) but not super sucktastic either.  *if* it is true - I can wait til the DLC or expansion that picks up from there.  If not - I am still not happy. 

[BIO18]

My bad, people on this always seem one step ahead

[Risselda]

The epilogue...so rushed Not even engaging dialogue.

I don't know how the heck they can rewrite that/ add DLC for "saving normandy" Unless they delete it like it never happened...because it implies space travel is no longer possible.

[Chatboy 91]

ViperAlvein wrote...

I look forward to the point where we can cry "AND WE HELD THE LINE!"

F**K YEAH! It will be a glorious day.

[Tiikay_]

ViperAlvein wrote...

I look forward to the point where we can cry "AND WE HELD THE LINE!"

I get teary eyed just thinking about it.  I hope that day comes :'(

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

BIO18 wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ONE THOUSAND PAGES?! YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME. HOLD THE LINE!

100 pages in 18 hours, and $7500 donated in less than a day. Amazing.

WTF donations ??? Who the hell was smart enogh to make himself 7500 bucks outa desprate people ?

Donations to the charity Childs Play.  Not to an individual.

[Aeyl]

BIO18 wrote...

My bad, people on this always seem one step ahead

Considering how fast this thread is moving, it isn't a surpise So no harm done to anyone

[xAmilli0n]

Looks like the people responding on the @masseffect twitter feed has changed, nothing of interest in quite a while. Either way, congrats on 1000+ pages, lets go for 1000 more.

Hold the line everyone, we'll get results soon enough.

[Nilofeliu]

Sarz91 wrote...

TIAX RULES ALL posted:

I am making this post in an honest attempt to help people understand and appreciate the endings more. I personally feel after reading posts here and hearing from friends that, most of this anger over the endings is caused because they did not see the over 4000 asset "destroy" option ending.

I hope to make a complete and easy explanation of the ending, comment if you think I need to adjust or add to it.
This post does not apply to those who just don't like it because of its lack of detailed epilogue.

First of all there is one ending that is the real ending and all other endings are tricks and illusions. In fact the only REAL ending in the whole game is if you pick the destroy option with over 4000 assets. The real ending is only that 20 seconds they show of Shepard in the rubble and then takes a breath.

That (supposed to be) eye opening moment is supposed to tell you that Shepard was never on the Citadel. He lies just where he was knocked out by the destroyer blast, in the rubble of London. This is where the confusion takes place.

Everything that happens after the destroyer hits Shepard during his charge is a combination of a dying Shepard's hallucinations and reaper indoctrination trying to take over. Right after the blast, Shepard wakes with his armor half blown off. This is not just cut scene fubar, this is the start of his indoctrination fight when everything is slightly off, as in a dream (because it is)

If you listen to the radio chatter before Shepard goes into the beam, you can hear allied forces saying that NOBODY made it to the beam, not you and not Anderson before you. This is the real world radio chatter now in the background subconscious of this hallucination.

After he reaches the Citadel there is more oddness that should be setting off triggers for the player that something is not right, that this is an illusion... Anderson describes shifting walls and only ever agrees with Shep on his surroundings after Shep describes his and saying "like the collector base you described". Everything is just a projection from Shepard's mind and subconscious.

When you are having the conversation with TIM and Anderson, It's all just again Sheps subconscious reminding himself and the player about indoctrination and what happens when you stop fighting it... you lose control (shoot Anderson) This is similar to the nightmares Shep has of the boy. This is the game through Shep's subconscious telling you do not follow the kid, you will burn (kid goes up in flames). And the last one when you see she with the kid and they both burn. Again telling you, no matter what happens you will get burned by trusting the kid.

There are more allusions to not trusting Cerberus/reapers throughout the game as well. You really start to see them after you understand the indoctrination ending. For example: TIM talking to Kai Lang says "Shepard was always going to stay true to his ideals" subtlety suggesting that the player should do the same and not let TIM/reapers compromise you destroying the reapers. The goal you have had since the very beginning. Also before the attack on Cerberus base I believe, there is a quantum comm. call between you and Hackett. You have the option of saying something like "what if TIM is right and the reapers CAN be controlled" and Hackett shoots you down. Gives you a direct order to kill TIM and destroy reapers. No questions asked. Once again, game trying to remind you of the one true goal and keep you focused.

Now about the Catalyst and the crucible conversation and decision itself... By this time indoctrination is very close to taking over. The end is near. The catalyst looks like the little boy because of shep's subconscious and indoctrination is feeding off that. Everything in this scene is A LIE. The choices and how they are presented to you are all part of the deception to get Shepard to give his mind into indoctrination and lose the will to fight it.

You are presented first with the destroy option. He says "I KNOW you have been thinking of destroying us but..." The catalyst is scared, knows that its only chance is to manipulate Shepard here and now. It's painted in renegade red to through you off. This is purposefully done to manipulate Shepard's decision to fight. He tells you all synthetic life will be wiped out, including Geth and including Shepard because he is partially cybernetic himself. In sales you always present the worst option first and the best for last. So the next 2 options can then be presented and made more appealable.

the other 2 options do not let you ever see Shepard "alive" at the end so to me BOTH of these options are fails and result in you being indoctrinated and/or dying right there on the streets of London. Without that last breath scene. There can be no happy ending. I will elaborate on them a bit more separately.

Synthesis was in the middle and last option presented, this is what they ultimately want. He even likened the synthesis to husks in his description. The reapers want to harvest organics and change them into hybrids. By choosing synthesis you would be doing their work for them in an instant. Basically I see this as total fail ending, you have been played.

Now the control option was not presented as prominently as the synthesis but was still painted in paragon blue and offered as an option still better then destroy. In the end the result for choosing this is the same behind the scenes. Shepard gave into indoctrination/death and you do not get the breath tidbit.

So if you choose destroy like I believe we are somewhat intended to, remember that the explosion cut scene and relays exploding and Normandy running/crashing ALL OF THAT IS STILL HALLUCINATION. This is Shepard's subconscious imagining a "happy ending" he imagines reapers destroyed, earth fighters celebrating, and he imagines and ending for companions. The lush new planet-scape is just a metaphor for starting over and them being at peace. That's why immediately after they show Shep waking up, to solidify the dream idea.

At that point you are supposed to start thinking about what really happened. Shepard is alive, on Earth, has conquered indoctrination. Another HUGE thing is that after destroying the reapers you were supposed to be dead. Recalling the little boy "you will die as you are partly synthetic". When you wake up after that in the rubble, it should be a clear indication that you have been lied to. You did not die like the boy said you would, he just said that to dissuade you. The rest is left even more ambiguous but...

I personally believe that Shepard's job ended there. His companions who followed him at the last rush are dead beside him not suddenly on the Normandy and suddenly in a new system living happily ever after. That only happens in dreams He gathered the forces needed to beat the reapers. And it's the allied forces of the galaxy that ultimately stop the reapers. And that force would never have been formed without Shepard. As the stargazer after the credits says "the details have been lost to history" and there is still "one more story" to tell. So even though Shep was never on the citadel, the idea that Shep is a legend and is credited in destroying the reapers is true.

Love it or hate it, I whole heartedly believe that we will see DLC in the future that will start with Shepard taking that breath in the rubble. It will be something like Waking up after beating indoctrination and actually concluding the story in a more definitive way. And possibly a lot more "happy" though I'm more interested in "real" then some contrived happiness.



TL;DR (oh come on read above, its good
2 parts, first everything that happens between Shepard getting hit by the destroyer eye blast during the London charge and the "take a breath" scene (that you only get by choosing correct choices and having high enough EMF) Is a hallucination/indoctrination process that Shepard is fighting in his head.


There is only one real ending, the ending you have been groomed for since the beginning. Destroy the reapers at all costs. All other endings that do not have Shepard alive at the end are lies. They are illusions and means that Shepard gave into indoctrination and never awoke back on earth to realize this. And the player doesn't understand.

All the supposed plot holes can be explained by this. See examples above. Ask me questions if you have them, I will try to clarify for you in comments.

Also if you would rather watch 3 minutes of youtube, this is a rather good but not totally complete ending explaination. I approve


FINAL NOTE
I love this ending because of what Bioware did. They actually indoctrinated their own customers. They made and ending where you the player play through a real-time indoctrination of not just your character but of the player. They presented the ending in such a way that you had to fight indoctrination right along with Shepard. The game actively tries to fool you and manipulate your decisions away from the "best" and ONLY true ending, this is no typical ending by any shot and they did this KNOWING that their fan base might not understand it and take what they showed us at face value. Those people will never get why their ending doesn't make sense and will be angry unnecessarily. For those like myself though. I feel like it's a twist worthy of the best games/movies out there and that some ambiguity is better than the spelled out epilogue slideshow at the end.

I do no object to your opinion, and in fact, it would be something worthy playing if it is true. The problem here is that so far, all we have are theories, and we do not know for a fact that we went thru the indocrination process.  As if that was not enough, the lack of information given after then "ending" is little to none. All we get to see is the Normandy crashing somewhere, with players that were in our party moments ago and "magically" were taken into the Normandy; we see EDI alive, even if we chose to destroy all Synthetic life, and finally the old man talking to the child with explains NOTHING...

Also, as many have complained before, we do not know what happened to the war efforts and every other race that helped us get there. We do no know how the Turians, Quarians, Geth and Asari are, nor the other minor races. Again, all we get is a poor cut scene followed but the old man.

If indeed the indocrination attempt is what happens, I will agree with you and say that is the hell of a twist, however, the twist alone is not enough to offer us closure. The poor quality of the ending is not the ending itself, but the lack of information given about and on it, plus the Deus Ex Machina attempt with a Shepard that is more sheep than man...

I love reading, and hardly a week goes by that I don't read a new book, or re read an old one. I ´ve seen many great authors coming out of nowhere and writing wonderful pieces, and also very famous authors loosing completely their way and writing garbage. More to the point I´ve seen great ideas and plots been reduced to nothing because the writing style and quality were poor,  and that alone was more than enough to destroy the book's entertainment value.

If, and I mean only if, the ME3 case is of indocrination, it was poorly written, and poorly done. No matter how brilliant the twist, the idea or the plot, but if the writer cannot make himself understood, he is no writer at all. And for those who says this is a matter of filosophy, I do not play games for that purpose.  I play to have fun and enjoy myself, not to go over metaphysics contemplations of the universe and our existence. I´ve already seen another member here explaining in a rational and well reasoned way how the ending resembles the nihilism abstraction on how in the end, nothing we do matters. As again, I have agreed with him whole heartedly, but just like him, we do not seek this kind of entertainment in games, we seek joy and fun. If my reason for playing was the search of a higher meaning on things ( or lack of it thereof), I would rather read a book from an author I know and respect, than to leave it at the hands of those who have no idea what it trully means, and uses it only as a way to give the series a "twist" when none was needed.

[People4Peace]

Annaleah wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Ugh... I continue to get more and more sickened by how the BioWare employees treat us. I got a positive message from Jessica Merizan, who by the way was also "just left with more questions" after finishing this game. But apparently, according to whomever runs the Mass Effect Twitter, we are a "vocal minority". And he also said that all of the opinions of the community are important. And yet he ONLY retweets and responds to positive feedback and utterly ignores the negative feedback. Acting like we're trying to do nothing but curse and b**ch. I feel we've been pretty polite up to this point.

Vocal minority my ass... they can delete tweets but this forum and facebook speak for themselves...

Can someone with a twitter account remind them that we aren't a vocal "minority"? It is sort of insulting to see that being retweeted and obviously some of those tweeters don't know the extent of the backlash...it isn't random people tweeting to the Mass Effect account...

[General Tiberius]

Salazar501 wrote...

I just saw this now, but, there is an achievment called "battle-scarred" it's description says: " Promote a multiplayer character to the galaxy at war OR IMPORT AN ME3 CHARACTER."
Any thoughts on this?

If you select new game after completing it you can import your Shepard from your completed ME3 game.

I think the ending is fine. It isn't broken, it doesn't need fixing. That it didn't end the way people thought or would like doesn't make it bad.

It has questions left unanswered. So? If everything tied off neatly then there would be no room for interpretation, it would be more manufactured than it is now as it would have less player input. There's a book called "Rendezvous with Rama" written by Arthur C Clarke which is widely recognised as one of the finest Sci-Fi stories written. It's about an Alien spaceship passing through our solar system and our attempts to find out what it is for, who built it and anything else we can gather. At the end of the book we had not worked any of these things out with absolute certainty. That was not a bad ending, that was a realistic one. Not everything must be explained for something to have a satisfactory ending.

Why did you ever think that it would tell you what happens afterwards? These games told Shepard's story. Once Shepard made that choice on the Citadel, her role was over. She accomplished what she set out to do. It is up to the races as a whole to decide what to do with the life that Shepard has managed to save for them.

[Sky Grey Hawk]

I just want to say that in my post-ME3 haze/depression/confusion that happened after I finished the game the first thing I though was "where is my damn laptop I need to get on BSN." And you guys are the reason why and the ONLY thing keeping me sane.

Modifié par Neon Panther22, 13 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[alberta]

Alberta, Canada, here - home of the Reaper fleet. BW can hint all they want - it isn't hints I want. Until and unless those guys down there in Edmonton learn to speak - English would be a good start for me - then we have nothing to discuss until those guys in Edmonton relearn how to communicate in English with their customers. Until then my reviews at Amazon.com, at The Globe and Mail, Canada's largest newspaper, the CBC ( Canada's national broadcaster) The Edmonton Journal, the Edmonton Sun, my friends who work as producers at Edmonton's Global Television reaching all of Alberta and two other provinces, and every other newspaper and TV broadcaster in Canada I communicated with inn their talk back sections! My reviews will stay the same with Amazon Canada and every other reseller here in their country. I am not the only one doing this here in Canada - 100s of us are. And even more are doing so every day!

BW you want us here in Canada to give you a better review then we have something to talk about. Believe me - here in Canada the pressure is very intense!