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[TheRealMithril]

@vboy23: Would you please start a thread and keep the list there? It's getting in the way of the posts. Thank you.

[Nilofeliu]

bowery tuff wrote...

The Bioware comment is what I'm referring to.

Anything so far?

[Alamar2078]

IMHO the dream / hallucination / indoctrination theory is the best we've got and I am OK with Tiax's post for as far as it goes.

My problem is not that I don't get the ending that I want I honestly feel we are note getting the ending that BW lead us to believe that we were getting. That's what has me up in arms.

[People4Peace]

Eirileth wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Ugh... I continue to get more and more sickened by how the BioWare employees treat us. I got a positive message from Jessica Merizan, who by the way was also "just left with more questions" after finishing this game. But apparently, according to whomever runs the Mass Effect Twitter, we are a "vocal minority". And he also said that all of the opinions of the community are important. And yet he ONLY retweets and responds to positive feedback and utterly ignores the negative feedback. Acting like we're trying to do nothing but curse and b**ch. I feel we've been pretty polite up to this point.

Vocal minority my ass... they can delete tweets but this forum and facebook speak for themselves...

Can someone with a twitter account remind them that we aren't a vocal "minority"? It is sort of insulting to see that being retweeted and obviously some of those tweeters don't know the extent of the backlash...it isn't random people tweeting to the Mass Effect account...

The problem is, a "vocal minority" is a logical impossibility. How can there be a vocal minority? That would imply the existance of a "silent majority". If you are silent, you are not voicing your opinions. Those without opinions are not in the standing of a majority 'vote' per se. They are silent. So, since most of the feedback right now is negative, that means we are the majority and they are the minority. 'Vocal minority' is their way of not admitting that, hey, most of the people DON'T like this ending.

I completely understand - its just common sense.

Anyway, even though the ME twitter team hasn't called us a vocal minority (at least not that I am aware of), it does bother me that they are retweeting and responding differently to people that like the ending. And the fact that some of the tweeters are pissed (one said he wanted to punch) at players that don't like the endings...and they say nothing? It's messed up.

[Eyjh]

Charles Dickens also changed the ending of 'Great Expectations', due to it being too sad.

[soske aizen]

well im off to get some dinner dont forget

HOLD THE LINE

[bowery tuff]

Nilofeliu wrote...

bowery tuff wrote...

The Bioware comment is what I'm referring to.

Anything so far?

Thomas Abram, quality assurance, said in regards to the post:

Interesting post - As mentioned it is pretty similar the topic linked and this may possibly roll into an endings discussion. This is a very interesting thread so let's keep it on topic.

[vboy23]

TheRealMithril wrote...

@vboy23: Would you please start a thread and keep the list there? It's getting in the way of the posts. Thank you.

sorry, didnt think about that one . thanks

[Tainan7509]

Aeyl wrote...

This thread is keeping me from eating dinner. That is how important it is.

Hey i'm having my dinner too

[RogueAngel0]

Well I'm crashing out, been monitoring the situation across several boards, facebook and twitter all day since I finished last night. I was hopeing for some closure, looks like that's going to be a while. I hope the whole indoctrination is true though.

Later!

[Eirileth]

Faded-Myth wrote...

Being angry that the ending is a kick in the teeth is one thing, but to complain that  BioWare have no standards is another. People who complain about BioWare being corrupt or money-hounds need to remember that there's a reason Mass Effect is as great as it is, and why they're so passionate about it. BioWare have some of the best standards I've seen when it comes to story-telling, and personally I find their game mechanics to be right up my alley. Sure, they're a business and unfortunately that means they must conform to whatever guidelines or restrictions are imposed upon them by EA, but I can't help but feel that the amount of freedom BioWare gets has to be pretty high, considering what they manage to produce. 99 percent of Mass Effect 3 is pure bliss, and that tells me they care enough about the franchise to make a game that exceeds in most areas.

Like I've mentioned before, you can go ahead and call BioWare a bunch of no-good, greedy thieves, but their track record (and most of the end product) tells me otherwise. If they didn't care about the game or the people who play it, the entire game would suffer the same lack of enthusiasm you see in the ending. Yes, the ending is incredibly cheap and hollow and wreaks of terrible decision making with a hint of looming deadline, and I wouldn't even begin to defend it, but to me that's not enough to write BioWare off as a crackpot shell of a company.

I don't think they're crooks or thieves with low standards. In fact, I applaud them for their standards and how passionate they are for their games. Mass Effect has been very important to me (as I posted fifty pages back). What I am NOT amused with is how they are treating us as consumers and fans right now. Them blatantly ignoring us, and in some cases insulting us, is damaging not just to their image, but to the trust they have built up with us. I fully understand that the endings are this bad probably because of EA. But BioWare could at least show that they care about our opinion, instead of giving the positive feedback all the attention.

[lunamoondragon]

After all that buildup, all the things we chose, I really wish we'd at least get some sort of epilogue about the fate of the galaxy. Even if I don't get a happy end, I felt like there were so many things left to know...

[TobiTobsen]

I'm going to sleep now! Somebody take my place in the line and hold it! Hold the line!

[Rdubs]

Fox544 wrote...

I love how Origin is now offering copies of Arkham City for $10 if you buy ME3. They're obviously hoping to bribe people who cancelled their pre orders or who are shying away because of this.

Are you serious? About 900 pages back I said to pay attention to how soon they start throwing in "freebies" in the form of prior games to try and boost sales.   That's awesome it started so soon, way ahead of my forecast.   Don't want to jump to conclusions without supporting data but just maybe word is getting spread around and people are adopting a "wait and see" attitude.   

Which should be everyone's approach for future bioware games.   

[WvStolzing]

King Lear was 'edited' (butchered, rather) into a happy-ending version, and performed that way through the 17th and 18th centuries. The point is that a more 'bearable' version was demanded, and justified by some of the most eminent men of letters, above all, Dr. Johnson.

(this, in response to the post about Dickens)

Modifié par WvStolzing, 13 mars 2012 - 11:44 .

[Computim]

Well G4TV just gave a 30 second plug to the RetakeME3 movement. It was unbiased.. actually was almost slanted to our side in my opinion. Was pretty good

[Aeyl]

Tainan7509 wrote...

Aeyl wrote...

This thread is keeping me from eating dinner. That is how important it is.

Hey i'm having my dinner too

*high-five* I'll have to leave temporarily to go buy something... This thread will probably have an extra 10 pages by then

[Annaleah]

WvStolzing wrote...

King Lear was 'edited' into a happy-ending version, and performed that way through the 17th and 18th centuries.

lololol Shakespeare now makes any argument against us invalid.

[Darth_Acheron47]

lunamoondragon wrote...

After all that buildup, all the things we chose, I really wish we'd at least get some sort of epilogue about the fate of the galaxy. Even if I don't get a happy end, I felt like there were so many things left to know...

My thoughts exactly. Even a couple of minutes of text with screenshots saying "this is what happened to Thessia" and "this is what happened to Palaven" and whatnot would have been giving us more closure than the  random jungle planet crash-landing scene and the "stargazer" bit.

If this is all there is, Shepard dead at the end of the story and the galaxy devastated, fine. Just let me know that so I can move on with my life.

[xAmilli0n]

Petition to change the ending of ME3 was just mentioned on Attack of the Show

[Eirileth]

Computim wrote...

Well G4TV just gave a 30 second plug to the RetakeME3 movement. It was unbiased.. actually was almost slanted to our side in my opinion. Was pretty good

Any chance you got a recording of it for us to see?

[Zulmoka531]

General Tiberius wrote...

Salazar501 wrote...

I just saw this now, but, there is an achievment called "battle-scarred" it's description says: " Promote a multiplayer character to the galaxy at war OR IMPORT AN ME3 CHARACTER."
Any thoughts on this?

If you select new game after completing it you can import your Shepard from your completed ME3 game.

I think the ending is fine. It isn't broken, it doesn't need fixing. That it didn't end the way people thought or would like doesn't make it bad.

It has questions left unanswered. So? If everything tied off neatly then there would be no room for interpretation, it would be more manufactured than it is now as it would have less player input. There's a book called "Rendezvous with Rama" written by Arthur C Clarke which is widely recognised as one of the finest Sci-Fi stories written. It's about an Alien spaceship passing through our solar system and our attempts to find out what it is for, who built it and anything else we can gather. At the end of the book we had not worked any of these things out with absolute certainty. That was not a bad ending, that was a realistic one. Not everything must be explained for something to have a satisfactory ending.

Why did you ever think that it would tell you what happens afterwards? These games told Shepard's story. Once Shepard made that choice on the Citadel, her role was over. She accomplished what she set out to do. It is up to the races as a whole to decide what to do with the life that Shepard has managed to save for them.

With all due respect, and yourrightly deserve your opinion. But right here is a 1k + thread explainng why everything you brought up doesn't fit for a Mass Effect ending.
Could it work for something else? Most certainly, but this and many other threads across the entire internet prove that no, it doesn't work for Mass Effect.

[Faded-Myth]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware's hands were temporarily tied in regards to making informative comments. It sucks, it really, really does. But it's going to get addressed at some point.

And then the turian poop will really hit the fan, whatever the result.

[Ampmaster]

Eirileth wrote...

Ugh... I continue to get more and more sickened by how the BioWare employees treat us. I got a positive message from Jessica Merizan, who by the way was also "just left with more questions" after finishing this game. But apparently, according to whomever runs the Mass Effect Twitter, we are a "vocal minority". And he also said that all of the opinions of the community are important. And yet he ONLY retweets and responds to positive feedback and utterly ignores the negative feedback. Acting like we're trying to do nothing but curse and b**ch. I feel we've been pretty polite up to this point.

Yeah who ever's been running the ME Twitter has been kinda  a tool here and there, directly taunted a few folks too.

Also this is the actual result of the green ending, there's a reason the light is green



We are Shepherd of Borg, lower your shields and surrender your minds, your biological and technological distinctiveness shall be added to our own. Resistance is futile.

[TSC_1]

Computim wrote...

Well G4TV just gave a 30 second plug to the RetakeME3 movement. It was unbiased.. actually was almost slanted to our side in my opinion. Was pretty good

I was just about to ask. Thanks!