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Soundsystem

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Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

update on the G4 poll:

75.9% Don't like the ending
3.3% Liked it. Felt it had closure.
7.5% Aren't sure
13.4% Haven't beaten it yet.



And they still call us a vocal minority...

I wonder what it takes for them to acknowledge us as a majority? Perhaps more voices than games shipped?


Can you link to this poll? My Google-fu is failing me..


www.g4tv.com/thefeed/

Scroll about halfway down and on the right.


Thanks! Was focusing on articles and totally missed it.

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Berty213 wrote...

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It actually doens't tell you(at least not on the Xbox). I mean, if you're not paying attention to the stupid kid, you don't know which one is which because it isn't labeled and it doesn't ask for a conformation before you pick it..I kind of guessed that destroy was on the right. Image IPB


It doesn't tell you on the PC either, you really have to pay attention to the ghost child. I should have walked to each of them but I was walking so slowly. I got a question though, when the ghost child is telling you about your choices, how come it shows Anderson blowing up the reapers and not Shepard?




Anderson stands as a symbol for this option as well as the Illusive Man is the symbol for the choice to control the Reapers

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LazarusMP wrote...

And Child's play has topped $10,000 in less than a day. Currently at $10035.37 and rising! :wizard: Great work people!


Absolutely insane :happy: So great and I am happy so many are thinking of others while going strong in this thread.
Proud to call you all my brothers and sisters.

Don't compromise
Don't surrender
Stand strong
Stand together
Hold the line

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Hey check out the "Moderators" list, amongst others: Ray Muzyka, "Yell loud enough and someone will eventually come over and see what all the fuss is about." comes to mind :D

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Berty213 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...
It actually doens't tell you(at least not on the Xbox). I mean, if you're not paying attention to the stupid kid, you don't know which one is which because it isn't labeled and it doesn't ask for a conformation before you pick it..I kind of guessed that destroy was on the right. :?


It doesn't tell you on the PC either, you really have to pay attention to the ghost child. I should have walked to each of them but I was walking so slowly. I got a question though, when the ghost child is telling you about your choices, how come it shows Anderson blowing up the reapers and not Shepard?


It was showing what Anderson would do if he were in Shepard's shoes I would assume.

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Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034

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I stick to what I said before. This may be a marketing stunt. But it backfired. May they like it or not. People were supposed to like that ending, or at least not detest it, and then be surprised with a "compliment" (new ending and explanations). But didn´t work.

Besides, I´ll say again. ME3 ending is what we got from the box!!! I didn't buy a product that said that I should wait to have my doubts put to rest, or that I would only get the explanations later. ME3 ending is what we already got. The rest is a complement. And BW should learn that you can´t put something crucial to the story in a DLC.

And since the ending is what we got from the box, well... it wasn't good!

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

Could someone explain this "Indoctrination Theory" you guys have? I just finished it (Yeah I'm late to the party so what!?) At the moment I just dont know what to think...


What you're feeling now is the shock of one of your favorite series suddenly taking a 180 degree turn. I'm not going to sugar coat it, it's gonna get worse. It took 24 hours before my shock wore off and the sadness and disappointment set in. Don't worry though, you've found us, and we're all trying to get through this together. With any luck we may be able to save the game together.

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Alamandorious wrote...

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I really hate that people keep bringing up entitlement. uggghhhhhhh..


Don't let it get to you; they may think that about us, but it's not true...and a lot of media is coming onto our side.


It's not entitlement unless you didn't pay for your game.  If  you bought your copy, you literally paid for the right to complain.


How I would have ended ME3: tinyurl.com/7y323p9

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Nilofeliu

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Bubi7 wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

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No, your choices on ME1 and ME2 actually DO matter.
you just can reunite geth and quarians if both legion and tali survived ME2, made both loyal, did not blow up the heretic geth base, gave the evidence about tali's dad the court and whatnot.
you just can cure the genophage if you saved the research data from mordins guy, and did not destroy it.
you get biotic teens and jack if jack survived, her as war asset (and meet her at the purgatory)
dunno about the fate of the collector base, though
The choices influence your ME3 gameplay, but ...Thing is, they do NOT influence the ending at all, either you saved all people in ME2 or whatever not, your choice is just between three (or two) different flavours of space magic.


Exactly. No one understands that we are not saying they don't matter; they DO...except in the very end. Then it's all...colors. Space Magic. :pinched:

*goes listen to In The End by Linkin Park* 


Question to the original poster.

What if I was in Hiroshima and managed to saved let's say a thousand people from many incidents, only to have a big nuke dropped on their head. Would you still say that the thousand people I saved earlier mattered? If we all died nevertheless?


That was exactly what I was complaining about, at the end it didn't matter at all.
at example:
I made peace between the geth and the quarians. In a few years quarians can live on Rannoch without their suits anymore, geth help them to rebuild, and so on.
During the last battle around Earth, all the fleets were in the Sol system (yes, geth and quarians included), and after the spacemagic pulse, the Relays get destroyed, and every fleet gets trapped in the Sol system.
Quarians: Yay, reapers gone, let's enjoy our homewo... wait we are on earth.

I still think they just had no time for a proper ending. EA told them to stick to the release date, "at all costs!" (sorry for the ME3 quote)

on a site note: the retakeME donation is at a whooping $10k now!


Sorry I misunderstood your original post.  And I totally agree with you. Either they ran out of time (money/whatever) and did the rush up job, or this was a PR stunt. If the second proves true I will be angry as hell, even moreso if they decide to charge for the "real ending"

Update on the CVG pool.

http://www.computera...ioware-blow-it/

85% are with us...

/Salute

Modifié par Nilofeliu, 14 mars 2012 - 01:30 .


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Frankly, I'm lurking and occasionally posting on these forums every day now for one reason: Bioware is on the verge of something truly great. How they handle this situation will forever alter my opinion of them as a company.

Thus far, I am not confident, but I understand the reasons for silence so early on (let's remember, it's only been a week since the first official release). Understanding or not, however, it is quite worrying to basically be told to "Please Standby" with all this outcry going on. I liken it to How I Met Your Mother's episode about being left on the hook. So long as you say "We can't do anything.... right now" you are giving hope for a time when the "right now" part will fall off. My pessimistic side sees this as a perfect, evil ploy to continue to profit on the game while effectively silencing the unhappy masses. Placating them. This practice concerns me.

But let us consider what good may come of this. If Bioware comes out and says "We're sorry." Or "We rushed it." Or "We're fixing it." Or "We don't intend to fix it but acknowledge your unhappiness and do, in fact, hear you." Any combination of fixes, apologies, or polite, genuine attempts at understanding WILL repair my trust in the company.

Even if it was NOT their original intention, releasing new endings would be an acknowledgement. I would even pay for such. If it were free, that would be the biggest and easiest way to regain my trust, but I WILL pay for all the work that goes in to such a product. I am not expecting a handout.

If it WAS their original plan, then perhaps doing this WAS underhanded... I will be wary, but I will not avoid their future products like the plague.

Not saying anything, however, is damning. Flying the "all is well" flag, despite the public upheaval would be... foolish. Your customers are speaking to you on an unprecedented level. Long story short, now is the chance for an olive branch. There's a million ways they can continue to earn my business, even considering how betrayed and brokenhearted I feel.

If they handle this right, I will apologize. Profusely. And they will keep my business. As a consumer, this is how I show MY trust. I only ask for some sign in return.

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Fox544 wrote...

Trunks Bordare wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Could someone explain this "Indoctrination Theory" you guys have? I just finished it (Yeah I'm late to the party so what!?) At the moment I just dont know what to think...


Welcome to the fleet.  We've all felt exactly the way you do now.

Read this
http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423


I'm still unsure why people like this theory. Doesn't it mean the game has no real closure and we paid for half a game?


I think the theory means Shepard did something in an unreal place that affect the real world....kinda like somebody is trying to make the ending make sense. 

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Someone needs to make a Captain Kirrahe gif of him saying HOLD THE LINE.

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Ramshakkle wrote...
It's also the Illusive Man doing the control option. Fairly certain it was all deception on the god child's part. (Worthless bugger.)


Oh yea! I didn't see the Illusive Man doing the control option.

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Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


There are multiple endings!

YOU GET TO PICK YOUR FAVOURITE COLOUR!!!

:wizard:

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We are being indoctrinated as well as Shep! We must resist indoctrination = the endings to the game. This is the biggest marketing ploy ever! We need to continue to unite and resists the indoctrination to see Shep resist and defeat the reapers in the game.

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Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


In Space Magic terms, mulitple endings are the same ending with red blue and green

FAIL

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Darth Suetam wrote...

I stick to what I said before. This may be a marketing stunt. But it backfired. May they like it or not. People were supposed to like that ending, or at least not detest it, and then be surprised with a "compliment" (new ending and explanations). But didn´t work.

Besides, I´ll say again. ME3 ending is what we got from the box!!! I didn't buy a product that said that I should wait to have my doubts put to rest, or that I would only get the explanations later. ME3 ending is what we already got. The rest is a complement. And BW should learn that you can´t put something crucial to the story in a DLC.

And since the ending is what we got from the box, well... it wasn't good!


Yeah I'm sure it was a stunt thinking that they could reel in some more cash by not giving us endings that justified all our effort.

I though Bioware was way above this...

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Darth Suetam wrote...

I stick to what I said before. This may be a marketing stunt. But it backfired. May they like it or not. People were supposed to like that ending, or at least not detest it, and then be surprised with a "compliment" (new ending and explanations). But didn´t work.

Besides, I´ll say again. ME3 ending is what we got from the box!!! I didn't buy a product that said that I should wait to have my doubts put to rest, or that I would only get the explanations later. ME3 ending is what we already got. The rest is a complement. And BW should learn that you can´t put something crucial to the story in a DLC.

And since the ending is what we got from the box, well... it wasn't good!


Agreed. I think thats why we can't get an answer from Bioware. Their plan went to crap and now they don't know what to do.

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bellabri287 wrote...

We are being indoctrinated as well as Shep! We must resist indoctrination = the endings to the game. This is the biggest marketing ploy ever! We need to continue to unite and resists the indoctrination to see Shep resist and defeat the reapers in the game.


We can control the rEApers!  We can.. waiiit a second hahahaha.  Touche.

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Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


Brb. Ugly laughing.

A colour blind person posted here a while ago and said they couldn't even tell the endings apart. 

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Ramshakkle wrote...

edit: @Fox, I think the theory has so much support because it might give some people hope it was a plan all along (terrible one if you ask me) and their faith in BioWare might still be merited, rather than giving an ending that a lot of us think was simply unfulfilling.


I guess blind optimism is better that despair.

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It's extremely rare for the entirety a series or trilogy to be solid all the way through. Mass Effect came so close.

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Fox544 wrote...

Trunks Bordare wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Could someone explain this "Indoctrination Theory" you guys have? I just finished it (Yeah I'm late to the party so what!?) At the moment I just dont know what to think...


Welcome to the fleet.  We've all felt exactly the way you do now.

Read this
http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423


I'm still unsure why people like this theory. Doesn't it mean the game has no real closure and we paid for half a game?


I don't completely buy it either but I can see why it's so popular: it makes the most sense out of all the plotholes and complete nonsense at the end. But if its true then we were sold an unfinished product, so we should be even angrier than we are now.

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ShaneP wrote...

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So guys if the game did take the indoctrination route...Would that be ok? Or would the outrage continue...I'm just wondering if indoctrination is a well liked or supported theory.
Isn't there still the point of us getting an unfinished game?


Well it would *explain* the endings, there's no doubt about that, but it would still be a massive slap in the face to fans in my opinion, as the idea of Shepard's mind caving at the last moment and falling under reaper control would not only be an affront to all of the things that Shepard stood for. it would also essentially render all of Shepard's actions during the game utterly meaningless and leave me with a sense that the whole struggle against the reapers was for nothing.

The ending does explain the motivations of the reapers pretty well, and that's about all it does IMO


How does it explain it well? As I have stated several times before:

"We created synthetics to kill organics every 50k years so they aren't killed by Synthetics.

Wow, Sovereign was right, their reasons are beyond our comprehension... Because they make no godamn sense!