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Matt125

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shimoyake wrote...

Frankly, I'm lurking and occasionally posting on these forums every day now for one reason: Bioware is on the verge of something truly great. How they handle this situation will forever alter my opinion of them as a company.

Thus far, I am not confident, but I understand the reasons for silence so early on (let's remember, it's only been a week since the first official release). Understanding or not, however, it is quite worrying to basically be told to "Please Standby" with all this outcry going on. I liken it to How I Met Your Mother's episode about being left on the hook. So long as you say "We can't do anything.... right now" you are giving hope for a time when the "right now" part will fall off. My pessimistic side sees this as a perfect, evil ploy to continue to profit on the game while effectively silencing the unhappy masses. Placating them. This practice concerns me.

But let us consider what good may come of this. If Bioware comes out and says "We're sorry." Or "We rushed it." Or "We're fixing it." Or "We don't intend to fix it but acknowledge your unhappiness and do, in fact, hear you." Any combination of fixes, apologies, or polite, genuine attempts at understanding WILL repair my trust in the company.

Even if it was NOT their original intention, releasing new endings would be an acknowledgement. I would even pay for such. If it were free, that would be the biggest and easiest way to regain my trust, but I WILL pay for all the work that goes in to such a product. I am not expecting a handout.

If it WAS their original plan, then perhaps doing this WAS underhanded... I will be wary, but I will not avoid their future products like the plague.

Not saying anything, however, is damning. Flying the "all is well" flag, despite the public upheaval would be... foolish. Your customers are speaking to you on an unprecedented level. Long story short, now is the chance for an olive branch. There's a million ways they can continue to earn my business, even considering how betrayed and brokenhearted I feel.

If they handle this right, I will apologize. Profusely. And they will keep my business. As a consumer, this is how I show MY trust. I only ask for some sign in return.


The way to fix it is the following:

Bioware to say, "It was indoctrination all along! There were so many clues. None of the stuff on the Citadel happened. We're releasing free epilogue DLC where you resume the fight as Shepard who's still down on Earth. Don't worry, you will get multiple endings depending on your choices throughout the three games plus what you decide to do on the Citadel itself."

This will placate a lot of the angry fans and will satisfy the dunderheads on the various gaming websites/blogs who will say, "See, entitled whiners? Bioware was right all along! Don't you feel silly!" But it will diminish Bioware's reputation in my opinion, and will pretty much ruin my enjoyment of the Mass Effect series. ME1 and ME2 had such great, self-contained endings.

Modifié par Matthias Silverblade, 14 mars 2012 - 01:34 .


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Fox544 wrote...

Ramshakkle wrote...

edit: @Fox, I think the theory has so much support because it might give some people hope it was a plan all along (terrible one if you ask me) and their faith in BioWare might still be merited, rather than giving an ending that a lot of us think was simply unfulfilling.


I guess blind optimism is better that despair.


Poor sob has no idea what (s)he is walking into...

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Soundsystem wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


Brb. Ugly laughing.

A colour blind person posted here a while ago and said they couldn't even tell the endings apart. 


You sir owe me a new G110 keyobard, seeing as how a mouthfull of water just sprayed all over mine

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MORE coverage from Forbes!

Why Fan Service Is Good Business

Mass Effect 3 and the Pernisicous Myth of Gamer 'Entitiement'

Forbes magazine > IGN/Kotaku/Other gaming websites

We have the grown up publication on ourside! hahah

Modifié par Ampmaster, 14 mars 2012 - 01:33 .


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 Jeremy Jahns posted his video on the endings. Wonderful!

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Nilofeliu

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Fox544 wrote...

Trunks Bordare wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Could someone explain this "Indoctrination Theory" you guys have? I just finished it (Yeah I'm late to the party so what!?) At the moment I just dont know what to think...


Welcome to the fleet.  We've all felt exactly the way you do now.

Read this
http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423


I'm still unsure why people like this theory. Doesn't it mean the game has no real closure and we paid for half a game?



According to some people (and a script that was leaked a while back) it seems that you go thru the indoctrination proccess either way, but if you resist it, you would have found yourself with your team (or not depending on your previous choices) and Anderson, and then you would go for real to the Citadel to blow up the Reapers.

By the way, in this leaked version, it would be harbinger talking to you thru TIM's body, instead of the Space Kid..

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Wolfgang_Ocelot wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...

I stick to what I said before. This may be a marketing stunt. But it backfired. May they like it or not. People were supposed to like that ending, or at least not detest it, and then be surprised with a "compliment" (new ending and explanations). But didn´t work.

Besides, I´ll say again. ME3 ending is what we got from the box!!! I didn't buy a product that said that I should wait to have my doubts put to rest, or that I would only get the explanations later. ME3 ending is what we already got. The rest is a complement. And BW should learn that you can´t put something crucial to the story in a DLC.

And since the ending is what we got from the box, well... it wasn't good!


Yeah I'm sure it was a stunt thinking that they could reel in some more cash by not giving us endings that justified all our effort.

I though Bioware was way above this...


There is absolutely no excuse for witholding the end of the game. Imagine going to see the Avengers when it comes out this summer it has an ending that doesn't make a lick of sense. Then holding out hope that the true ending will be a DVD extra. 

What really gets me going is that Bioware won't just say one way or another that the ending was botched/perfect/incomplete. It's causing REAL people REAL distress at this point. 

#25683
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Dan Willis wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

vigna wrote...

I really hate that people keep bringing up entitlement. uggghhhhhhh..


Don't let it get to you; they may think that about us, but it's not true...and a lot of media is coming onto our side.


It's not entitlement unless you didn't pay for your game.  If  you bought your copy, you literally paid for the right to complain.


How I would have ended ME3: tinyurl.com/7y323p9


I know; I was just saying don't let them get to you.  

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Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


Oh what's wrong with that statement? Of course there's multiple endings. We get to customize the color of our explosion that ruins the entire series, and are told by some random human/child/reaper/god/thing what the 3 slight variations do, so we should automatically believe him, and accept this as a solid end to the trilogy /sarcasm

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Been watching the forums for a few days thought i would throw in something i found interesting.... http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings Didn't know if anyone had seen this or not. That is really 16 distinct endings *SARCASM*

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[quote]Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034[/quote]

Brb. Ugly laughing.

A colour blind person posted here a while ago and said they couldn't even tell the endings apart. 

[/quote]

... Game. Set. Match. lol

#25688
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bellabri287 wrote...

We are being indoctrinated as well as Shep! We must resist indoctrination = the endings to the game. This is the biggest marketing ploy ever! We need to continue to unite and resists the indoctrination to see Shep resist and defeat the reapers in the game.


this

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LazarusMP wrote...

And Child's play has topped $10,000 in less than a day. Currently at $10035.37 and rising! :wizard: Great work people!


Way to go people! Keep it up!

Hold the line, we can do this!

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Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


Damn. I'd love to see his reaction when he gets there.

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jerobolod wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


There are multiple endings!

YOU GET TO PICK YOUR FAVOURITE COLOUR!!!

:wizard:


And don't forget you can choose whether or not Shepard dies, and whether or not the mass relays blow up, and ... oh, that's right, you can't.


How ME3 sholud have ended: tinyurl.com/7y323p9

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I'd say that I really don't believe that Bioware intentionally went out of their way to ****** gamers off just to later 'rewrite' the ending with DLC to make money, I just believe it was part of a misguided attempt at doing something different to the standard "kill the bad guys, run off into the sunset, and live happily ever after" endings that a lot of games seem to get these days.

On the face of it, it wasn't a bad idea, just badly executed from a RPG point of view because of the lack of closure it brings to the series and all the questions it leaves unanswered.

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Nilofeliu

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Ampmaster wrote...

MORE coverage from Forbes!

Why Fan Service Is Good Business

Mass Effect 3 and the Pernisicous Myth of Gamer 'Entitiement'

Forbes magazine > IGN/Kotaku/Other gaming websites

We have the grown up publication on ourside! hahah




Kotaku is on our side now Why Mass Effect 3’s Ending Was So Damn Terrible

#25694
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Mattroy wrote...

It's extremely rare for the entirety a series or trilogy to be solid all the way through. Mass Effect came so close.

That's both what makes it so painful and also so uniquely remediable. If the whole game had been terrible there'd be nothing to talk about right now (other than, well, to complain). But this is just one part. It's SO CLOSE to being perfect (or as near as any trilogy of games has ever been, anyway), that it begs to be fixed. Not just for our own sake, but also for its own sake.

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Anuvis13 wrote...

Nineteen wrote...

Ugh.

 https://twitter.com/...740103323820034


Damn. I'd love to see his reaction when he gets there.


He'll join us!! :lol: Space Magic and colors FTW! :wizard:

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Alamandorious wrote...

Dan Willis wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

vigna wrote...

I really hate that people keep bringing up entitlement. uggghhhhhhh..


Don't let it get to you; they may think that about us, but it's not true...and a lot of media is coming onto our side.


It's not entitlement unless you didn't pay for your game.  If  you bought your copy, you literally paid for the right to complain.


How I would have ended ME3: tinyurl.com/7y323p9


I know; I was just saying don't let them get to you.  


Sorry, meant to respond to him, not you.  You're spot on.



How ME3 should have ended: tinyurl.com/7y323p9

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I'm falling in love with Forbes. Never read them before, will now.

Hold the line

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Matthias Silverblade wrote...

shimoyake wrote...

Frankly, I'm lurking and occasionally posting on these forums every day now for one reason: Bioware is on the verge of something truly great. How they handle this situation will forever alter my opinion of them as a company.

Thus far, I am not confident, but I understand the reasons for silence so early on (let's remember, it's only been a week since the first official release). Understanding or not, however, it is quite worrying to basically be told to "Please Standby" with all this outcry going on. I liken it to How I Met Your Mother's episode about being left on the hook. So long as you say "We can't do anything.... right now" you are giving hope for a time when the "right now" part will fall off. My pessimistic side sees this as a perfect, evil ploy to continue to profit on the game while effectively silencing the unhappy masses. Placating them. This practice concerns me.

But let us consider what good may come of this. If Bioware comes out and says "We're sorry." Or "We rushed it." Or "We're fixing it." Or "We don't intend to fix it but acknowledge your unhappiness and do, in fact, hear you." Any combination of fixes, apologies, or polite, genuine attempts at understanding WILL repair my trust in the company.

Even if it was NOT their original intention, releasing new endings would be an acknowledgement. I would even pay for such. If it were free, that would be the biggest and easiest way to regain my trust, but I WILL pay for all the work that goes in to such a product. I am not expecting a handout.

If it WAS their original plan, then perhaps doing this WAS underhanded... I will be wary, but I will not avoid their future products like the plague.

Not saying anything, however, is damning. Flying the "all is well" flag, despite the public upheaval would be... foolish. Your customers are speaking to you on an unprecedented level. Long story short, now is the chance for an olive branch. There's a million ways they can continue to earn my business, even considering how betrayed and brokenhearted I feel.

If they handle this right, I will apologize. Profusely. And they will keep my business. As a consumer, this is how I show MY trust. I only ask for some sign in return.


The way to fix it is the following:

Bioware to say, "It was indoctrination all along! There were so many clues. None of the stuff on the Citadel happened. We're releasing free epilogue DLC where you resume the fight as Shepard who's still down on Earth. Don't worry, you will get multiple endings depending on your choices throughout the three games plus what you decide to do on the Citadel itself."

This will placate a lot of the angry fans and will satisfy the dunderheads on the various gaming websites/blogs who will say, "See, entitled whiners? Bioware was right all along! Don't you feel silly!" But it will diminish Bioware's reputation in my opinion, and will pretty much ruin my enjoyment of the Mass Effect series. ME1 and ME2 had such great, self-contained endings.




This line of thought is slippery; it implies that bioware is damned if they do and damned if they don't.  If they do it, it means that they've responded to the fans, and are more worthy of respect than a fair number of game companies out there.

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Yeah, if it's a PR stunt, while my faith in their game making ability will be fully restored, I'll never follow them again since, as a result, their management of all this uproar has been admittedly kinda pitiful.

And yeah, to quote Mr. Vakarian "Guess I just prefer blind optimism" is kinda what I'm taking right now. The outlook of never getting into another series of theirs due to a trust issue feels better than the idea of one of my favoirite franchises going down in smoke right at the end.

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LethesDeep wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Trunks Bordare wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Could someone explain this "Indoctrination Theory" you guys have? I just finished it (Yeah I'm late to the party so what!?) At the moment I just dont know what to think...


Welcome to the fleet.  We've all felt exactly the way you do now.

Read this
http://social.biowar...5/index/9727423


I'm still unsure why people like this theory. Doesn't it mean the game has no real closure and we paid for half a game?


I don't completely buy it either but I can see why it's so popular: it makes the most sense out of all the plotholes and complete nonsense at the end. But if its true then we were sold an unfinished product, so we should be even angrier than we are now.


Exactly. We should be even angrier than we are now that Bioware sold us a half finished product and is going to charge us for the DLC too.

Thats exactly what one of the Forbes articles warned Bioware about.