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[People4Peace]

RomanDark wrote...

"We have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don't have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere," Hudson explained.


LOL Apparently

I was heading to bed until I read this!!! LMAO. That explains so much....

Anyway, I am seriously going to bed now.

Hold the line everyone! Keep up the great work!

[Auralius Carolus]

teenpanda wrote...

gotta love that SPACE magic. I actually picked synthesis and nearly cried at how bad it was, went on youtube, saw basically the same thing but a different colored SPACE magic. :[

"Yes, we will create a synthetic Utopian Galaxy, but we need you to jump in the laser first. Don't ask why, just be satisfied in knowning that you earned it; it's not a trick... promise. And no we couldn't have thought of this before the millions of years of genocide at the hands of bio-synthetic hybrids. Old tech, ya know?"

[Jackal7713]

GeneralGrey wrote...

Aaand, there goes Kotaku. Dismissing 27 thousand dollars in a couple superficial, smug paragraphs of snide insinuations.

Can he pick a side and stick to it? This is flip number what now?

[Jackal7713]

Copperbolt wrote...

Anyone know where I can get a shirt that simply says "Hold the Line"?

Have one made. But add #retakeME3

[ld1449]

To be fair Kotaku WOULD have a point on allowing fans to determine endings. Just take a look at DBZ post Cell Saga. I think almost everyone can agree that everything after Cell should have been Gohan taking over his father's mantle, but of course, Fan pressure in Japan and Korea forced the author to change that to bring Goku back. Something that in my Opinion was completely stupid.

There is a huge difference however, less than half of the DBZ fans wanted Goku to come back, the others were just indifferent at best, and only a small margin actively fought against it.

With this you have nearly 90 percent of virtually the entire ME player community clamoring for a better end. Sure the "ENTIRE" Community hasn't voted but a good chunk of it has. From which you can gather the rest that haven't voted will more or less feel the same. When 90 percent of several million people, for lack of a better term "achieve consensus" this goes beyond just a handful of dissatisfied people who "didn't get it". Like a couple of people who were angry V had to die in V for Vendetta.

So again, their concerns are valid, to a certain extent but they're mixing apples and oranges.

[RomanDark]

People4Peace wrote...

RomanDark wrote...

"We have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don't have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere," Hudson explained.


LOL Apparently

I was heading to bed until I read this!!! LMAO. That explains so much....

Anyway, I am seriously going to bed now.

Hold the line everyone! Keep up the great work!

It sounds like the only thing they delivered on regarding the endings

[PhoenixDove1]

Yuoaman wrote...

Come on, Kotaku - can you try to be at least somewhat impartial?

It's so hard not to be royally pissed when you read a vicious unnecessary attack like this.  It makes me think he's comic book guy from the simpsons, nothing to do but try and bring us down.  Way to completely ignore all the money earned in ONE DAY.  We've already said if it gets us the proper endings sweet, if not, meh, we've still done something good.  Kind of opposite of him and others like him just trying to burn us.  Will not allow myself to digress on the whole 'you can't change art' ridiculousness.

Don't let them pick at us, so we start flaming people or in-fighting.  Remember we are not alone!!

[Chatboy 91]

OKAY THAT'S IT KOTAKU. You're off the RSS list! I should have done this a long time ago.

[WvStolzing]

Copperbolt wrote...

Anyone know where I can get a shirt that simply says "Hold the Line"?

You can design your own at zazzle.com

[PhoenixDove1]

Copperbolt wrote...

Anyone know where I can get a shirt that simply says "Hold the Line"?

I would totally buy that!

[dfstone]

I played the ending again tonight and I can see where people are upset. All the decisions you made across 3 games boil down to 3 very similar choices. Although I'm more of a the journey is more exciting then the destination kinda person so I don't see it as being devestating. More disappointing. The ending felt very rushed. As if they forgot where they were going and tried frantically to put the ship back on course.

Modifié par dfstone, 14 mars 2012 - 06:30 .

[Matt_gekko88]

How much money is in the childsplay-fund? Cant see it because apple doesn't flash.

[RomanDark]

ld1449 wrote...

With this you have nearly 90 percent of virtually the entire ME player community clamoring for a better end. Sure the "ENTIRE" Community hasn't voted but a good chunk of it has. From which you can gather the rest that haven't voted will more or less feel the same. When 90 percent of several million people, for lack of a better term "achieve consensus" this goes beyond just a handful of dissatisfied people who "didn't get it". Like a couple of people who were angry V had to die in V for Vendetta.

The way I see it is that before this the forums were volatile with a lot of conflicting opinions and preferences, which illustrates a wide diversity in the community that the forums represent. But since this movement started there has been so little hostility towards each other and we have all come together as one, showing that this large sample size is mostly upset with the endings, and that can then be extrapolated to get a major idea of how the consumer base that hasn't been voicing their opinion feels.

[spacefiddle]

Hm. Let's say the whole Catalyst thing is symbolic, in Shep's head. He, in fact, has become the Catalyst. A catalyst is something that facilitates a reaction, but does not take part in it. This last distinction is important: most people think of a catalyst as "extra fuel" that gives a boost. This is not correct. A Catalyst can alter the environment a reaction takes place in, altering the reaction, but not being consumed or itself reacting.

So. I think Shepard is the Catalyst. He has become one, by doing what you've done as the player: setting pieces in place, mediating disputes, forming alliances: he has altered the environment.

The three silly choices are symbolic as well, and not literal. Instead of "the action to take right now," it is "the future you choose." In this context, the broad choices almost make sense.

Will you dominate synthetics, and slave them to your will?
Will you destroy them outright, and abolish them from the galaxy?
Or will you work towards a harmonious future - one shown literally in the final scenes, but really meaning only a desire to work together, as one people, as all sentients?

If this is valid in any way, then the "real" ending hasn't happened. Shepard really is zonked out / still in that beam / anything, really, no indoctrination needed: I think this has potential as what Bioware may have had in mind. It's not the Reaper conflict Shepard pushes the green/red/blue button on, but his own doubts, his own choices, the conflict in his own mind, his guilt and regret over not being able to save everyone.

However.

Even if this is true and I have somehow nailed an insight into their intent, this has been handled so so horribly wrong. Even if some bizarre choice to let us actually finish the game later was made, SOME HINT in-game via ingame mechanics should have been there. The passive, nearly choice-less ending sequences ... dumping you out with a "BUY DLC!" advert and plopping you at a save point before the Cerberus assault - is just waaaaaaay too jarring. Could have been done infinitely better.

I may, of course, be projecting all this. But. If I was writing this, and that wasn't really "the end?" That's what I'd have done. That's what I'd have made it mean. Maybe he's really just passed out in front of the control panel from blood loss, next to poor Anderson. Who, frankly, might not be dead either.

We'll see. I feel like I'm on to something, but who knows.

[Sl4sh3r]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

How much money is in the childsplay-fund? Cant see it because apple doesn't flash.

27k+

[Spanking Machine]

Right up until Shepherd passed out after Anderson died, I was so in love with this game. It was really everything I wanted right up until the point where it broke my heart.

That really can't be the conclusion to such an epic trilogy. I don't want to come across here like Kathy Bates character from Mysery, buy come on, give us at least a chance for a happier ending.

[Aztlanna]

dfstone wrote...
The ending felt very rushed. As if they forgot where they were going and tried frantically to put the ship back on course.

I totally think they ran out of time. There's a lot of material that was cut (including dialogue with Anderson), which would've made the endings more sensible. Apparently Joker was supposed to be helping there at the end, but all his lines (and Normandy animations) were deleted, even though they would explain a great deal. I would bet money that they will "fix" the ending in a DLC, and will claim indoctrination was the plan all along, with only the "destroy" choice being canon. But I don't think there was a master plan. I think they slapped this together to meet release, and they're hoping the fans will buy the DLC and call everything square.

[Matt_gekko88]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

How much money is in the childsplay-fund? Cant see it because apple doesn't flash.

27k+

OMGWTFBBQ

[laughing sherpa girl]

All right.. its going on midnight. time for bed..
Hold the line!..

[Jackal7713]

dfstone wrote...

I played the ending again tonight and I can see where people are upset. All the decisions you made across 3 games boil down to 3 very similar choices. Although I'm more of a the journey is more exciting then the destination kinda person so I don't see it as being devestating. More disappointing. The ending felt very rushed. As if they forgot where they were going and tried frantically to put the ship back on course.

See I don't get it. Bioware says in countless interviews ME 3 will have closure and your choice will mater. One forced ending thats 95%  the same as all the others is not choice. Nor does it count as 16 different endings. And if by closure they ment having everyone dead, yea that could count AS EVERYONE BEING DEAD!

[Nilofeliu]

Please, please, let me rage against these two articles from kotaku...

http://kotaku.com/58...o-mass-effect-3

http://www.kotaku.co...ver-be-changed/

Self serving arrogant pompous..... 

Pardon my French, but these were just too much...

Jackal7713 wrote...

dfstone wrote...

I played the ending again tonight and I can see where people are upset. All the decisions you made across 3 games boil down to 3 very similar choices. Although I'm more of a the journey is more exciting then the destination kinda person so I don't see it as being devestating. More disappointing. The ending felt very rushed. As if they forgot where they were going and tried frantically to put the ship back on course.

See I don't get it. Bioware says in countless interviews ME 3 will have closure and your choice will mater. One forced ending thats 95% the same as all the others is not choice. Nor does it count as 16 different endings. And if by closure they ment having everyone dead, yea that could count AS EVERYONE BEING DEAD!

It has closure, don't you see? Bioware refuses to comment on it, EA just ignores it, and most of the gaming sites is against us because they are funded by the gaming industry. In other words.. We are f... and case closed..

It seems that's all we are going to get...

Modifié par Nilofeliu, 14 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[PhoenixDove1]

Spanking Machine wrote...

Right up until Shepherd passed out after Anderson died, I was so in love with this game. It was really everything I wanted right up until the point where it broke my heart.

That really can't be the conclusion to such an epic trilogy. I don't want to come across here like Kathy Bates character from Mysery, buy come on, give us at least a chance for a happier ending.

I agree, and I can't believe Adam Sessler equated us all as Kathy Bates in Misery.  He's a gamer too wtf?  In his soap box thing he was actually more disappointed in the same day DLC, which I had no contention with, didn't even know it was an issue until after I beat the game.  And, I bought it the exact same time I bought the game from game stop.

Edit:  And his whole 'there's an issue w/ same sex romance interests.  What?  I've never heard this, there's been f/f and finally m/m.  I have no idea where he got that   *sigh*

Edit, Edit:  Sorry, didn't mean to digress there.  I apologize.

Modifié par PhoenixDove1, 14 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[dfstone]

There are 16 different endings, however. Depending on if you imported an ME2 save or not and how high your readiness score is at the end. And some blogs have hinted that there may be a hidden 17th ending that you can only see after completing a new game +. But I dunno if thats true or not. Still, based on what i've seen in my game and what I've read, all 16 endings seem very similar. There's still no closure, the ship still crashes on some weird planet, and hardly anything that you've done up to that point is reflected in any of them.

Maybe someone can confirm if there is some hidden ending in the game that only appears after a new game +? I kinda suspect there might be. My paragon score was only half way up the bar and I was still able to talk down the illusive man and save Anderson so it made me wonder what happens if the paragon is al the way at the top? And it seems like the only way to get it there is to do a new game plus because you can max out your reputation but there doesn't seem to be enough paragon points to max the whole thing in one play-thru.

Modifié par dfstone, 14 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[spacefiddle]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Please, please, let me rage against these two articles from kotaku...

http://kotaku.com/58...o-mass-effect-3

http://www.kotaku.co...ver-be-changed/

Self righteous pompous.....

Ah, just ignore 'em.  They're silly.  And while they're over there impressing themselves, we actually went out and did something.  I'll stack our actions against theirs.  And for all my snarly at Whatsisface the CP co-founder, that's why I confined my remarks to here: I didn't reply to him, that would be wrong.

[ld1449]

The ones in the right do not shout. They don't need to. They speak to be heard. don't rage Niofeliu