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[PhoenixDove1]

spacefiddle wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

The only reason I escaped being upset over the Deus Ex ending was how little I cared about it. I think that's the position people who don't dislike the ending come from. That's just a wild guess, though, and I don't want to overgeneralize.

the DE "endings" also had technical issues - preachy, almost identical voiceovers while crappy lowrez stock video footage plays, party like it's 1992 - but yeah, getting up there and seeing three buttons - including a definite "just kill yourself' option - as soon as  I saw the three platforms, OH HELL NO.  With the godvoice telling you "so now choose the ending!  Even though you thought that's what, you know, the rest of the three games you just played were for!" <_<

Some people will find the 2001 ending to their liking, genuinely.  It might be detachment or lack of emotional investment, or they may be fans of classic 50s scifi Adam and Eve stories, who knows.  I don't want to discount their like any more than they can legitimately discount our dissatisfaction, but.... the poll.  Forty thousand people, a week after release.  I'd call that statistically significant: regardless of intent, the delivery method failed.  What can fix it now is communication.  Kick the execs in the butts and get approvals to SPEAK to us already.

One last post, I really loved what you said in your response, I never played or heard of Deus Ex until this situation.  Very sad that something that wasn't received well then was copied and expected to be received well now.  But I love your last sentence!  Please Bioware!

[Kezza]

 Well I think we can all say that the Mass effect 3 ending will never be forgotten...for all the wrong reasons

[spacefiddle]

zarnk567 wrote...

No, one should ever take Kotaku seriously they are the joke of the gaming community.... and for them to insult us fans who are raising money for charity.... I have never seen Kotaku do a single good thing for anyone let alone charity

This.  Standard passive blogger fare is "why don't you do something positive instead of wasting your time complaining on an internet forum?"  The irony of complaining on the internet about complaining on the internet is lost on them, but hey.  So here we are, decided to do something positive with all the gathered people and energy we'd amassed, and they're at a loss.  They really have nothing to say.  Without Child's Play, they'd be repeating the same tired old crap about how we're not "accomplishing anything."  Guess what?  We accomplished something, with a group of strangers, because we just decided to go out and did it.  But they still have to criticize, because they contribute nothing else.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Kezza wrote...

 Well I think we can all say that the Mass effect 3 ending will never be forgotten...for all the wrong reasons

You're right. Deep emotional scarring is hard to forget. XD

[jellobell]

Annaleah wrote...

Also, for people just returning after a while... Do not look at Kotaku it will only make you mad.

Too late. Come on, Kotaku, that last article was pretty decent. <_<

[Necroscope]

Pasting here as well, so more ppl will notice:
http://robotgeek.co....making-history/

Modifié par Necroscope, 14 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[Demonburnt]

Kezza wrote...

 Well I think we can all say that the Mass effect 3 ending will never be forgotten...for all the wrong reasons

^This!!


If they don't fix it conversations will go like this: "You should try mass effect series ITS amazing just forget about the ending you die."

If they do it would be remmember by how one company managed to troll their whole fanbase for a month and created the best series know to man.

[avmf8]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

TumblingBumblebee wrote...

As for the people criticizing the charity... well I can't say much against them. While all the money raised is awesome and for a good cause, I can kind of agree with those who said it wasn't such a good idea to use this as what, basically, is an ad for our protest... but I doubt those kids will give a damn about why they received all those funds.

I can understand the sentiment, but I choose to look at it like this: It shows that the people in the protest are, at the very least, decent and generous people. It shows that it's not about the money. If we need to pay them for their effort to fix the ending, we are willing to put our money where our mouth is to make it happen. More importantly, it creates a situation in which, no matter what happens, something good will come from it. If the ending of Mass Effect 3 never changes, at least we helped a deserving cause in the process.

I am not I paid $70 for this game. I have spent about $350 if you add up the entire trillogy with all DLC. I am not willing to pay to fix the ending. I and everyone else was marketed something doifferent they what we all got.

I cannot speak for others but I am unwilling to pay to fix this game when it was there responsibility to make there game as it was said to be. I was told my choices would matter in the end and that was a flat out lie.

Many were lied too just so they could get sales. I am not so sure about that charity thing since I don't actually know what it is. But if its a good thing in the real world great. Still does not change the fact Bioware owes the fans what they were proimissed.They said this game would cover all plot holes and I expect just that.

Modifié par avmf8, 14 mars 2012 - 08:17 .

[Theory75]

Good morning, any new updates from BW since the tease twitter updates they made last night?

[BlackDevil06]

Wow Hudson saying the endings were good?

I'm sorry, pls add an option to Mass effect 1 that lets Shepard shoot him/herself. Cause, in the end it all comes down to the same thing and there's simply no point in gathering all the alliances.

[evisneffo]

I actually wanted to read all the post-release pages before contributing, but - not kidding - this thread is growing faster than I can read through it. So here are my thoughts, repetitive or not.


Crafting an ending for this series was always going to be tricky, but the way this one was handled came as a nasty surprise.

The choices presented to you are the result of a Deus ex Machina that, rather than feeling intriguing, undermines much of the mystique and the buildup of the trilogy thus far. Connections to the existing story arc(s) are tenuous, certainly not satisfyingly clear in the time you have to consider this new information and use it to choose a path. Instead of answers, more questions are created. There are problems leading up to the final choice.

Your actions over the entire trilogy are almost entirely inconsequential in determining possible outcomes. I expected failure. I expected various kinds of bittersweet. I hoped for hard-earned-but-worthwhile happy. What I didn't expect was a choice between three shades of galactic destruction. With what we have, the constraints on each choice that mean there is no single "best" choice (personally at least) feel somewhat arbitrary. For example, why does every choice result in the destruction of the mass relays? Considering the implications (destruction of each system if you go by Arrival's example, or at the very least a pronounced blow to the functioning of the galaxy), this is difficult to call a victory. The silliest thing is that the harder you work to rally more people to fight alongside you, the more that are left stranded in Sol away from their home systems. With some development, this ending could have been a thought-provoking option, but as the only option it is disconnected and bitter. There are problems with the choice itself.

It's been claimed these are multiple endings, and it's true that the options presented as they are would each have very different consequences. You, however, do not see any of them. Room for imagination is not a bad thing, but this seems to be a literal breaking of "show, don't tell". You are told, in a line or two, what will happen. You are shown a near-identical cutscene each time that adds nothing to your understanding of the choice you made and its consequences. Even putting aside the Normandy issue there is little exposition, no tying up of loose ends, no answering of questions, no real result of your entire journey. There is no closure. There are problems that persist even after the choice.


Sorry for the wall o' text, but I'm truly disappointed about this. I really would like to commend BioWare on crafting a fantastically immersive series, including this last game which I loved insanely until the ending, but it takes a special kind of botched job to destroy that good feeling in a matter of minutes at the end - to be honest I'm both amazed and appalled that it's produced the exact same reaction in so many people. If it turns out this is a joke on us - whether the indoctrination/hallucation theories are true or a "real ending" has been withheld - I find it in poor taste, because it means that the game is properly incomplete.

That said, I understand BioWare would need to tread carefully about it but I really, really hope we'll see a fix.

OK, back to lurking. Australian fleet out.

[Nayt Navare]

The jokes about actually kicking people... Well, you know. I find that, well, wrong.

If I ever meet Casey Hudson, I will thank him for his dedication, and express my once great love for the series.

I will also tell him that I did not, however, appreciate silence after being let down, with some of his employees mocking me and my fellow saddened fans via social media. I understand they are human, but they clearly knew people were going to be mad, and they clearly gave out hype speak before the game's release.

I can forgive many a thing, but as I said, I cannot tolerate being treated poorly when I have otherwise been a polite, civil individual. I will tell Mr. Hudson I do not blame him for the blatant elitist insults I have received from the gaming media, but I will ask why Bioware did not defend it's fans. It would be the right thing to do, from all fronts, to point out that fans have a right to be disappointed, and that we should not be asked to stay silent and "not be babies" when our money goes to wast, in our eyes.

I will discuss with Mr. Casey if they plan to continue or add any definitive epilogue to Shepard's tale in DLC. I understand not being able to add specifics, but I would point out a simple "Things are coming related to the story that might assuage your worries" or otherwise stated would end a great deal of this backlash.

I do not expect perfection, but I demand respect as a loyal customer who has given them my money and support.

So I will, again, thank Mr. Casey for what he has done so far, and as selfish as it may sound, ask him what he will do next, and how they plan on fixing things.

[DeVarianX]

Bioware and Casey Hudson stood by the vague endings and we're not going to see a new ending DLC unless they are intentionally trolling us for either A more money or B to surprise everyone...it'd be a hell of a note to get a random PSN update with that ending on it. I don't expect happy, hell I'm okay with Shepard dying...but how he died was so....unshepard like.

[alberta]

This ending gets more and more stupid the more think about all the holes in this idiocy. We have this boy/child/idiot/insane character as THE God like figure wiping out races at will for untold millions of years. Yet this same God idiot couldn't kill all the folks on the citadel and let Sovereign start this wipe out cycle on time. Now this idiot is supposed to be THE lord and Master - and you get to kill, or you choice depending on your favorite color everything simply but the following signal red, green, or blue. All from a signal from the Citadel.

Then we have the citadel flying around with no means of propulsion, Reapers flying around with no means of propulsion, firing death lasers after 50,000 years - all that and taking into consideration ME 2 almost dead Reaper with no internal means of propulsion yet using a very small ezo-core as its power source - where the hell do these guys generate all the energy and power? Where does the citadel generate all that power?

Next we have the Turian fleet staying front on to the Reaper the only direction Reapers can fire at them is from the front - even bad military strategy would have nothing that glaring weakness - yet no one single confrontation even bothered to have some attack from the front and the bulk attack from the sides and the rear. Who in their right mind would be that dumb? And I have tons more complaints - this is just the start.

[Kezza]

 Here is somthing I found

http://www.change.or...acebook_friends 

[Rdubs]

Thanks for whoever linked this....this was great to watch.  This guy gets it.
http://www.youtube.c...v=4H_A7SeawU4#!

[KuceJb]

Oh, just remembered one thing missing from the endings. Where is a lastboss battle? There should be one!

[Tira_Lu]

God morning people, anything new since I went to bed? Did they finally said anything?

[Bob3terd]

The fact that they said they intended the ending to polarise the fanbase to make it unforgettable is deeply cruel, i mean seriously they threw the story out the window just to upset some of us so the game sells more?

[Siegdrifa]

Kezza wrote...

 Well I think we can all say that the Mass effect 3 ending will never be forgotten...for all the wrong reasons

" a happy customer is a returning customer ".

Happy is very subjective though  : )

[TobiTobsen]

Tira_Lu wrote...

God morning people, anything new since I went to bed? Did they finally said anything?

I'm interested too!

[Ziajin]

They're still being cryptic, Tira. And Bob, I hope they fix it, as do a lot of us. But if that IS why they did it, yes, yes it's cruel. And I will most likely never, ever buy another BW game, ever.

[Tyranniac]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Tira_Lu wrote...

God morning people, anything new since I went to bed? Did they finally said anything?

I'm interested too!

Nothing concrete yet.

[TobiTobsen]

Tyranniac wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Tira_Lu wrote...

God morning people, anything new since I went to bed? Did they finally said anything?

I'm interested too!

Nothing concrete yet.

Just more teasing on their twitter account?

[GroverA125]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Tyranniac wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Tira_Lu wrote...

God morning people, anything new since I went to bed? Did they finally said anything?

I'm interested too!

Nothing concrete yet.

Just more teasing on their twitter account?

Hoped you packed your camping bags and brought some food, we may be here for a while.

Modifié par GroverA125, 14 mars 2012 - 08:30 .