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[BalooTheBear]

The gamefront article is so good, explains everything exactly. Just hope someone from Bioware reads it.

I dont have twitter but can anyone tweet it at various devs?

[Tira_Lu]

dont know if it was already posted

www.thevine.com.au/life/tech/mass-effect-3-and-the-ending-debacle20120314.aspx

[Mulberry]

 No thats the old leaked DLC shot.  This is allegedly DLC details.  Here's a repost of the image with comments:  i41.tinypic.com/io3zi8.png.  


BTW i havent said anything until now, but is there really any more damning a criticism than the fact that for the first time in the series I have absolutely no desire to start a new game?  

[namacon]

The ending ruined it for me. Its like eating the best cake you ever had only to find a turd at the bottom of the pan. No matter how good that cake was all you can think about is that turd.

[Tira_Lu]

Razith wrote...

SE JN wrote...

Mulberry wrote...

For what its worth. http://i.imgur.com/xjXdX.jpg Most likely a troll but who knows

SO people see it.

I can't see the link :/

me neither

[HITMAN629]

MissNet wrote...

SE JN wrote...

Mulberry wrote...

For what its worth. http://i.imgur.com/xjXdX.jpg Most likely a troll but who knows

SO people see it.

Hm, i saw this earlier on xbox site. It was article about first DLC Multiplayer. 
here

I dont buy it, look at the classes on the far right of the screen

[Mulberry]

That person posted a different shot altogether. http://i41.tinypic.com/io3zi8.png

[Shadow-Novus]

Shadow-Novus wrote...

Ok, I need help replying to this:

"Mass Effect: One ending, kill saren, many variable choices throughout the game.
Mass Effect 2: Two endings, destroy/save collector base, many variable choices throughout the game.
Mass Effect 3: Three endings destroy/control/synergise, three significant variations on each based on your choices, many other variable choices throughout the game.

So your point about multiple endings is what, exactly? You may not have got teh choices you would have preferred, but saying you didn't get choices is simply wrong.

People like are just brats who don't like what you were given because you wanted what was in your head, which is something Bioware was never going to deliver.

The theme of the Mass Effect series was biological vs artificial life and the idea that biological life was insignificant, beating the odds wasn't a 'huge theme' it was 'something that happened in the cource of exploring the themes'.

I never said you had no right to voice your opinion, I merely said I disagreed strongly with it and feel it is born more of misunderstanding, misconception and an inability to identify quality because something doesn't match your expectations.

I've no issue with happy endings, what I have an issue with is people labelling the three extremely well conceived endings as bad simply because they aren't 'good'. I would love for Bioware to patch or release DLC with more alternate endings. But this won't stop me enjoying the endings we have and mulling the implications, consequences and moral issues.

I mean for gods sake your character is given the option of unilaterally forcing every advanced lifeform in the galaxy to become cyborgs, ending all biological life as we know it in the galaxy. Think about the moral and ethical consequences of that (and those of the other endings) and what it could mean for the species and then tell me you didn't meaningful choices and consequences.

None of your work in the three games was invalidated, it all led to this. The journey is as important as the end."

Could be that its 5 am and my brain is tired but I don't know where to start >_<

This got buried pretty quick...

[lex0r11]

on a sidenote guys, go play Journey on the PS3. It will cheer you up.

[Thore2k10]

bad thing is, i cant imagine playing any game of the trilogy again with the ending as it is...

[Jetfire99]

MissNet wrote...

I guess, i back to anger stage again. I think, the Casey Hudson interview to Digitaltrends was the last drop.

*wall of text*
Here is my story. It's about happy endings and real life.
I live in Russia. We had Parliament elections on December, 4 2011. There were a widesparead fraud in that poll (you can see a bunch of videos on youtube). So people were unsatisfied and started riots. We were peacefull and 100% Paragon. We want to do something good for our country. We united in groups, donated money and wrote petitions. Many thousands were working the observers on the President Election on March, 4 2012 and registred a bunch of frauds again.
And  guess what? Mr. Putin has won again and now will rule for another 12 years. On second day (March 5) people were arrested, one of my friends is in hospital with broken arm. We've lost. Yes, that's a real life ending. We've run out butterflies and rainbows a long time ago.
I was counting on Mass effect 3. I thought i can escape reality to the universe where choices matter - even for a short time. I think, that was kind of psychotherapy for me. But then Santa comes and turns out to be a Boogeyman.
Bioware. i... i trusted you.

I don't say grim ending is bad. Hell, i like Dostoevsky  and he wrote a pretty depressive books. But in the game about choices the ending must have choices, especialy  the ending of the trilogy like Mass Effect.
I saw theories about indoctrination and all. I don't believe it. I think, all endings are bad.  When i heard that Reapers moved the Citadel to Earth for no reason (seriously, WHY did they do that?!) i knew, that all that follows will be a one great plot hole. Unfortunatelly, i was right.

Sorry for mistakes, i am not friendly with English language.
I think i need more kittens to calm down.

By the way, my friend just finished the game. He is russian hacker. Angry russian hacker. I suggest Bioware to renew their security protocols.

Welcome aboard, and honestly I think it's been said but try to get your friend this way and help out here. Rather than that other way all the path of wrath would do is make things worse. Also forgiven, your english? Likely is better than some native speakers I  know. Prehaps even mine.

Either way welcome aboard and hold the line.

[Rdubs]

Anyone know the highest page count of any thread on BSN? I am confident this thread will break the record.

[Cyruge]

BalooTheBear wrote...

The gamefront article is so good, explains everything exactly. Just hope someone from Bioware reads it.

I dont have twitter but can anyone tweet it at various devs?

Tweeted it already to ME official twitter account, Casey and Mike Gamble.

[Aramina]

Shadow-Novus wrote...

Shadow-Novus wrote...

Ok, I need help replying to this:

"Mass Effect: One ending, kill saren, many variable choices throughout the game.
Mass Effect 2: Two endings, destroy/save collector base, many variable choices throughout the game.
Mass Effect 3: Three endings destroy/control/synergise, three significant variations on each based on your choices, many other variable choices throughout the game.

So your point about multiple endings is what, exactly? You may not have got teh choices you would have preferred, but saying you didn't get choices is simply wrong.

People like are just brats who don't like what you were given because you wanted what was in your head, which is something Bioware was never going to deliver.

The theme of the Mass Effect series was biological vs artificial life and the idea that biological life was insignificant, beating the odds wasn't a 'huge theme' it was 'something that happened in the cource of exploring the themes'.

I never said you had no right to voice your opinion, I merely said I disagreed strongly with it and feel it is born more of misunderstanding, misconception and an inability to identify quality because something doesn't match your expectations.

I've no issue with happy endings, what I have an issue with is people labelling the three extremely well conceived endings as bad simply because they aren't 'good'. I would love for Bioware to patch or release DLC with more alternate endings. But this won't stop me enjoying the endings we have and mulling the implications, consequences and moral issues.

I mean for gods sake your character is given the option of unilaterally forcing every advanced lifeform in the galaxy to become cyborgs, ending all biological life as we know it in the galaxy. Think about the moral and ethical consequences of that (and those of the other endings) and what it could mean for the species and then tell me you didn't meaningful choices and consequences.

None of your work in the three games was invalidated, it all led to this. The journey is as important as the end."

Could be that its 5 am and my brain is tired but I don't know where to start >_<

This got buried pretty quick...

My brain is too tired to articulate the reasons atm.

-Good summary

[Matt_gekko88]

Rdubs wrote...

Anyone know the highest page count of any thread on BSN? I am confident this thread will break the record.

Which means a lot, doesn't it?

[HITMAN629]

Peete wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Thanks for whoever linked this....this was great to watch.  This guy gets it.
http://www.youtube.c...v=4H_A7SeawU4#!

  Hold The Line!

Modifié par HITMAN629, 14 mars 2012 - 09:56 .

[NPH11]

Ampmaster wrote...

Never surrender

I would've gone with this.

Then again, I am Canadian.

Well, time for sleep. See you all tomorrow... well, I guess technically today given the time here.

Modifié par NPH11, 14 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[Ziajin]

Well folks, off to bed. Hopefully the next day will bring new (good) news about our cause, and from BioWare. I doubt it, but one can hope!

Hold the line! And never forget, together we stand strong, divided we fall. But no matter what... We will HOLD THE LINE!

[Kezza]

 I saw this it looks good

http://www.reddit.co...cut_the_ending/ 

Modifié par Kezza, 14 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[TheRealMithril]

Casey made a comment: www.vg247.com/2012/03/14/mass-effect-3-director-stands-by-ending-promises-single-player-dlc/

Too bad guys, we're basically got robbed of the experience. Casey stated he wanted the ending to be remembered and not forgotten. He sure delivered! This ending is like George Lucas would make a 7th Star Wars movie: the force is gone. The ending is that bad. I am astounded (and that is an exercise in understatements) that he is so unwilling to listen to what 90% of the gamers think. The polls are almost unanimous in their opinions, 90%. That would hold in any statistical situation as far as elections are concerned. 90% are against the endings Casey, that is no joke. Why are you not listening?

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 14 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[TobiTobsen]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Casey made a comment: http://www.vg247.com...gle-player-dlc/

Too bad guys, we're basically got robbed of the experience. Casey stated he wanted the ending to be remembered and not forgotten. He sure delivered! This ending is like George Lucas would make a 7th Star Wars movie: the force is gone. The ending is that bad. I am astounded (and that is an experience in understatements) that he is so unwilling to listen to what 90% of the gamers think. The polls are almost unanimous in their opinions, 90%. That would hold in any statistical situation as far as elections are concerned. 90% are against the endings Casey, that is no joke. Why are you not listening?

The best thing is the first comment:

"Should I ever meet Casey Hudson I’ll be sure to kick him in the balls so that it’s a memorable experience for him."

[Matt_gekko88]

TobiTobsen wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

Casey made a comment: http://www.vg247.com...gle-player-dlc/

Too bad guys, we're basically got robbed of the experience. Casey stated he wanted the ending to be remembered and not forgotten. He sure delivered! This ending is like George Lucas would make a 7th Star Wars movie: the force is gone. The ending is that bad. I am astounded (and that is an experience in understatements) that he is so unwilling to listen to what 90% of the gamers think. The polls are almost unanimous in their opinions, 90%. That would hold in any statistical situation as far as elections are concerned. 90% are against the endings Casey, that is no joke. Why are you not listening?

The best thing is the first comment:

"Should I ever meet Casey Hudson I’ll be sure to kick him in the balls so that it’s a memorable experience for him."

:lol:

[yahtzo]

Mulberry wrote...

 No thats the old leaked DLC shot.  This is allegedly DLC details.  Here's a repost of the image with comments:  i41.tinypic.com/io3zi8.png.  


BTW i havent said anything until now, but is there really any more damning a criticism than the fact that for the first time in the series I have absolutely no desire to start a new game?  

1. I realllly hope that DLC is real!
2. Completely agree.  After my first run of ME2 I immediately went and bought ME1 and did 3 ME1/ME2 playthroughs in a row.  With ME3 I can't even bring myself to play the great Multiplayer the ending was so depressing.  Definately will not be doing anymore single player unless the ending is fixed.

[mal.c]

Shadow-Novus wrote...

Shadow-Novus wrote...

Ok, I need help replying to this:

[snip]

Could be that its 5 am and my brain is tired but I don't know where to start >_<

This got buried pretty quick...

In short, I'd say that it's not so much about the choice you get to make at the end of the story so much as seeing how all the choices you've already made pay off (or come back to bite you in the ass). He's right that the journey's important, too, but we want to see where we end up, as well. Did it even matter that I chose the krogans or the salarians, or is their support simply an arbitrary number added to my EMS? What's the difference in the aftermath between Wrex and his brother? For example.

tl;dr: The present ending(s) only gave us more questions when what we really hoped for was some answers.

Of course, there's much more to be said about the ending, but others have already voiced those criticisms, and choice and multiple endings seemed to be the focus of your contact's concerns anyway.

Modifié par mal.c, 14 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[CDHarrisUSF]

NPH11 wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

Never surrender

I would've gone with this.

Then again, I am Canadian.

Well, time for sleep. See you all tomorrow... well, I guess technically today given the time here.

"Never surrender" makes me think of Galaxy Quest.

On a related note, Sam Rockwell finally beats Mass Effect 3.