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[Patriota125]

humes spork wrote...

Magical Space Bomb

Yeah, you havent even read the endings. GTFO.

[Sia_Sinblade]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Well made points.

However...people like to forget that this is as much BioWare's story as it is "ours" Throughout ME1 and 2 you only got 1 real ending with alterations to the theme.

ME1 = Saren/Reaper destroyed , alteration: Council lives or dies
ME2 = Collector's are defeated/purged, human reaper destroyed , alteration: save the base or not and who dies

It is feasible to think that the writers at BW have a specific ending in mind. One that suits their idea of how the trilogy should end. After all, most writers write their own stories, not the stories they are told to write by fans.

That being said, it should be stated that an ending that has no "hope", in it for the main protagonist, is incredibly difficult to sell. Like I mentioned earlier, I remember Divinity 2 and how shocked I was, even outraged. Nothing you did in the game could change the outcome. You always lost.

So...in summary, your points are valid, but I can still see these endings being the real thing.

Yes, but still, look at the pattern of behavior in ME1 and 2.  Endings were different, while still reaching the same conclusion (Sovereign destroyed, Collectors destroyed).  The endings were -very- different in terms of tone and content, and allowed for optimal conclusions (At least in 2, since that's the only game where optimal conditions mattered).

This makes the claim that the endings are 'virtually indistinct from one another" fall flat.  What's the point in telling us that we should do as MUCH of the side content as we possibly can in ME3, if the endings are so homogenized?  Not to mention the homogenization itself feels way out of place for what we've come to expect.

I'm not saying what is right or wrong. I'm just saying that there is a possibility to the endings being true, because yes, they are all bittersweet-disastrous, but they all reach a final conclusion and tie off Shepards story.

And the really important part here is that they always said Shepard's story would be DONE.

Maybe the writers felt like for Shepard to be DONE with the universe, he'd have to be dead or locked away froever.

[Patriota125]

xtorma wrote...

Patriota125 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

NO:crying::crying:

Somebody call the waaaambulance!

Yes

Yes?

Yes.

[Patriota125]

Bad ending? Kojima's sunshine and bunnies MGS4 and LOST. Those are GOD AWFUL ENDINGS.


Mass Effect 3 ending? BRILLIANT.

[chuckles471]

RiouHotaru wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

O.K, I am in total denial.  Tin (aluminium for the north american breathern) foil hat time.

EA do your magic and get them to dumb down the ending, like you do with gameplay(Syndicate FPS, why god why).  Think of the lost customers, money you like that?

I want my good ending.  This isn't the Sopranos where the writer wants us to think about what happens next.  I put hours in and I want a medal given to me by a princess.  Not stranded on some planet so I can do sucide by self plesure.

I started mass effect 2 from the start when tali died in the sucide mission(the minute she died-keyboard hit wall).  It caused me to do all that rubbish mining just so nobody would die.

If that how it ends I can't see the point of doing any of the side missions because you might aswell die.

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Why did I read those spoilers.  Ignorance is bliss.

If you think about it, it makes no sense that the endings are so remarkably similar.  What would be the point of telling us how there's all these variables, which apparently hold such sway (and judging from datamines of the demo, they do!) if the endings we work towards are almost literal copypastes of each other.

Regardless of the "information" we have, nothing about this follows what we've come to expect of Bioware, nor were we given ANY indication of such a radical paradigm shift at any point during development.  Not to mention, if Mass Effect was intended to be a Space Opera-style story, this sudden shift runs opposite of that intended style as well.

Basically put, NOTHING we've seen so far is consistent with Bioware.  If anything, the "sources" are lining up almost perfectly with the old, outdated script, which should be the least reliable source of information considering how much work was done since the leak.

I know all this could be crap and I would be so suprised if you got a good ending.  It goes against my scientific mind, I should say "they have no hard evidence and most of the points made by people are heresay" but  I just have a bad feeling about this.

[Arontala22]

Sooo.... Where, exactly, is the leak? I want a link, is what I'm saying.

OT: Eh. Not what I was hoping for, but I can deal with it. I'm probably going to buy it used just to spite EA anyways.

[xtorma]

Patriota125 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Patriota125 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

NO:crying::crying:

Somebody call the waaaambulance!

Yes

Yes?

Yes.

NO

[Badpie]

Don't forget "it's the journey, not the destination." So we should just sit back and enjoy the beautifully crafted afternoon drive. The fact that the car will soon go racing off a cliff and land into a giant pile of sh*t shouldn't' bother you because the journey was so pleasant....

(Again, I'm still skeptical of the whole leak and hopeful that Bioware is smarter than this)

Modifié par Badpie, 29 février 2012 - 05:10 .

[Amkiir]

Patriota125 wrote...

Bad ending? Kojima's sunshine and bunnies MGS4 and LOST. Those are GOD AWFUL ENDINGS.


Mass Effect 3 ending? BRILLIANT.

Wait wait wait wait.. MGS4 was a game? Here I thought it was an interactive movie with some god awful High School Talent show attached for taking part in the game with friends.

Seriously. Is there ANY game with a worse gameplay to cutscene ratio than MGS4?

[Elegana]

Arontala22 wrote...

Sooo.... Where, exactly, is the leak? I want a link, is what I'm saying.

OT: Eh. Not what I was hoping for, but I can deal with it. I'm probably going to buy it used just to spite EA anyways.

You want everything?
http://social.biowar...scussions#group

Go crazy. Look for Xiosite's thread since he's the one who has the Space Edition. The rest of the threads have links to several leaks, the endings, and the script.

[Tietj]

Patriota125 wrote...

Bad ending? Kojima's sunshine and bunnies MGS4 and LOST. Those are GOD AWFUL ENDINGS.


Mass Effect 3 ending? BRILLIANT.

Saying that the endings are "brilliant" with absolutely no context is just as ridiculous as saying they suck with no context.  GTFO.

(For the record, I hated MGS4's ending)

[andy6915]

Okay, the people in denial that think this is a troll, please explain how exactly actual SCREENSHOTS of relays exploding can be faked? Please, please explain, I'm dieing to know what crap logic you can say to swim in denial a little bit longer.

[Jacy Pane]

Badpie wrote...

Don't forget "it's the journey, not the destination." So we should just sit back and enjoy the beautifully crafted afternoon drive. The fact that the car will soon go racing off a cliff and land into a giant pile of sh*t shouldn't' bother you because the journey was so pleasant....

Agreed.  Considering people are in such an uproar about this, I'm surprised Bioware hasn't said anything.

[chuckles471]

royceclemens wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...
Why did I read those spoilers.  Ignorance is bliss.

No, my friend... Denial... Denial is bliss.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that there is nothing about these endings that can't be fixed if you don't stop at the least level and load your next Shepard.  If the ending will ruin the game (and it will), then don't play it.  Because if these are the only endings you get, Casey Hudson and his writing staff didn't just screw over fans of good storytelling, tonal consistancy and, well, common sense, they screwed over everyone else who worked on the game that did their job properly.

So don't play the ending.  Is it like Marge Simpson eating the Bambi video?  Yes, but whatever works.  Will we miss out on gamerscore?  Yes, but like the achievements for siding with Caesar's Legion in Fallout: New Vegas, the achievement for finishing ME3 will be one I'll actually take great personal pride in not getting.

If these are the only endings we get, then Mass Effect 3 was written and produced by trained circus animals.  And if you let them finish your game for you, you'll deserve whatever you get. 

I don't think I can possible get to the end knowing that anyway.  latest example -When I found out the ending to Dead Island, I stopped playing because I thought it was stupid and I like that game.

[Sashimi_taco]

jellobell wrote...

rad77 wrote...

well i've seen a few screens from the ending and in one of them shepherd (i hope its him:P) is standing on some bluish planet with a kid near him, so i guess he wont end up alone ;p

That's not Shepard, it's just some random Normandy colonist telling the kid a story.

You have got to be kidding me. What about the aliens on board? They just either starved or lived for a long time alone?

[draken-heart]

i believe at the end of Arrival, Hackett (or however his name is spelled) says that if the reapers invaded in Force, they are just not ready. now going to the "endings", i'm beginning to think that the endings were foreshadowed by that one DLC.

[Tietj]

andy69156915 wrote...

Okay, the people in denial that think this is a troll, please explain how exactly actual SCREENSHOTS of relays exploding can be faked? Please, please explain, I'm dieing to know what crap logic you can say to swim in denial a little bit longer.

Calm down.  I actually think the leaked endings are real, but the screenshots can be explained very easily.  Perhaps they don't represent every ending.  Perhaps in the green and blue shots, they're not actually being destroyed. 

[jellobell]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

And the really important part here is that they always said Shepard's story would be DONE.

Until the DLC comes out.

Game Informer: With Mass Effect 2, you had a lot of well-done downloadable content that really tied in to the story and helped build toward the next game. With Mass Effect 3 being an end of the story arc, is your approach to DLC more multiplayer focused or more side stories? How do you see it fitting into the game?

Casey Hudson: There’s some multiplayer stuff, but we’re also planning some DLC on the single-player side, because it did really good in Mass Effect 2. There’s a reason why we can add stories to what’s there. The adventure-type DLC will happen in the time frame of Mass Effect 3, within your Mass Effect 3 storyline. It’s similar to how with Mass Effect 2, if you had a saved game from anywhere inside the game, you could go on to the DLC. We have a pretty neat concept for how it’s going to work.

[Satanicponies]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

jellobell wrote...

rad77 wrote...

well i've seen a few screens from the ending and in one of them shepherd (i hope its him:P) is standing on some bluish planet with a kid near him, so i guess he wont end up alone ;p

That's not Shepard, it's just some random Normandy colonist telling the kid a story.

You have got to be kidding me. What about the aliens on board? They just either starved or lived for a long time alone?

probably starved. Or ate each other, kinda like a thunderdome I bet

[ratzerman]

Just because there are similar images online doesn't mean the ending screenshot is a fake.

[Sia_Sinblade]

jellobell wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

And the really important part here is that they always said Shepard's story would be DONE.

Until the DLC comes out.

Game Informer: With Mass Effect 2, you had a lot of well-done downloadable content that really tied in to the story and helped build toward the next game. With Mass Effect 3 being an end of the story arc, is your approach to DLC more multiplayer focused or more side stories? How do you see it fitting into the game?

Casey Hudson: There’s some multiplayer stuff, but we’re also planning some DLC on the single-player side, because it did really good in Mass Effect 2. There’s a reason why we can add stories to what’s there. The adventure-type DLC will happen in the time frame of Mass Effect 3, within your Mass Effect 3 storyline. It’s similar to how with Mass Effect 2, if you had a saved game from anywhere inside the game, you could go on to the DLC. We have a pretty neat concept for how it’s going to work.

I don't see them saying anywhere that Shepard would be in the DLC, post ME3 ending?

[Sashimi_taco]

RiouHotaru wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

The screenshot of the man and child is from the after-credits cinematic. It's not Shepard. The child asks the old man to "tell him about the Shepard again."

Thus establishing the possibility that the entire trilogy was just a story being told to a child.

That picture?  Was already confirmed as a fake.  Someone found two wallpaper images that look remarkably similar to that piece, enough so that I don't think that picture comes from ME3 at all.

tell me more!

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Tietj wrote...

Calm down.  I actually think the leaked endings are real, but the screenshots can be explained very easily.  Perhaps they don't represent every ending.  Perhaps in the green and blue shots, they're not actually being destroyed. 

I see parts flying...
http://i.imgur.com/YneT6.jpg

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

I bet bioware was like :
Oh its okay, lets make one ****TY ENDING THEY WONT NOTICE LOL WE'LL ROLL OUT SOME MORE DLCS LOLOL DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'VE PLAYED THROUGH 3 GAMES OVER A COURSE OF 4 YEARS. ALL THE DECISIONS THEY MADE WONT COUNT. YAY!!!

Sorry. /rage

[humes spork]

RiouHotaru wrote...

And this is why I believe we're not getting the whole picture.  Or, that Tank and Xio aren't as aware of all the information as they claim to be.

Well, the most plausible-sounding part of it all is quite frankly the Guardian bit. That's because, if anything, Mass Effect as a series is one ginormous love story to science fiction. ME1 was a massive paean to 80s sci-fi, ME2 the same to 90s sci-fi, and presumably ME3 the same to 00s sci-fi.

...and the 900-pound gorilla of 2000's science fiction was the Battlestar Galactica remake. The Guardian's part is pretty much lifted wholesale from the Final Five and "God" in the Ronald D. Moore series, especially in terms of "the cycle" between organics and synthetics. And if anything, ME's development team loves the sh*t out of some BSG. And the whole "hundreds of thousands of years later, we're back to where we started" jump cut? Straight from BSG's finale.