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[RogueAngel0]

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Has anyone posted the link to this article yet?

www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/

Speaking about the backlash, creator David Chase said:
"We didn't expect them to be that pissed for that long. It's one thing
to be deeply involved with a television show. It's another to be so
involved that all you do is sit on a couch and watch it. It seemed that
those people were just looking for an excuse to be pissed off."

*face palm*

Looking for an excuse to be pissed..? We aren't looking nor do we want to be pissed. We want ME to be that 10/10 game because we CARE about it, but without a great ending to a great game and series how can it be a 10/10. All we want is the ending the game deserves. We don't want them to get rid of what they have just add to it or give some extra options.

[Stygian1]

1100!

Line is bein' Held!

[korni789]

dfstone wrote...

EA is the largest game software distributor in the world. They are not worried about some people on a message board saying the end to one of their games sucked. They sold over 3 million copies of Mass Effect 3, and although math isn't my strongest subject, I'm pretty sure that there aren't 3 million people posting in this thread. EA isn't scared.

Losing 98% of fanbase is terrible business move. Always. 
Truth is very simple: people just don't like ending. EA/Bioware can do the right thing and repair their mistake or after couple of years they will be very suprised by long term consequences of making a fool of customer.
They screwd up with Dragon Age 2. The Old Republic don't have Engame. Mass Effect 3 was killed by poor writing and their sloopy work. The cup of bitternes starts to overflowing.

Modifié par korni789, 14 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[Deschi]

rianna wrote...

Guys, knock off the Bioware bashing. I know it's really hard to keep your cool when game news sites are being rude and we aren't getting any official response, but these things take time. Even if we do get a "fix-it" patch or DLC, it will probably take months. Want to guarantee it never happens at all? Keep being rude about the company and its employees. In the words of a certain sentinel, "Sometimes the way a thing goes down does matter, Shepard. Later, when you have to live with yourself. Knowing that you acted with integrity -- then it matters." Act with integrity and hold the line!

Agrred! Bashing and raging doesn't help. The endings are not dumb in an intellectual way, endings which are open to interpretations and are intended to be so normally jsut show that the author takes his/her audience serious and consinder them to be smart. The problem with this ending is not the that many questions are left open, but that the decissions don't matter and that there is no real epilog.

[Kloborgg711]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

dfstone wrote...

EA is the largest game software distributor in the world. They are not worried about some people on a message board saying the end to one of their games sucked. They sold over 3 million copies of Mass Effect 3, and although math isn't my strongest subject, I'm pretty sure that there aren't 3 million people posting in this thread. EA isn't scared.

All online polls indicate some 90% of the players are unhappy at the endings and want them changed. 

Of the 3.5 million copies sold on the first day (in the USA) that would translate as some 3 million people unhappy at the game - just in that group. And the people who bought the game on the first day of release will consitute the majority of Biowares core consumer base.

So they have potentially lost 90% of their core customer base...no company will look at such figures and be happy. Sure, they have our money NOW...but future sales will fall drastically at a time they are trying to payback the $200 million they spent on the SWMMO.

If that doesn't convince you that EA/Bioware should be scared then consider this; EA's share price has dropped like a stone in the last week.

That 90% is from a self-selected poll of people who specifically came here because they were upset. Far fewer people who didn't mind the end or enjoyed it will show up here. So we're getting incredibly skewed results.

Not incredibly skewed. I apologize if you know this, but I'll keep bringing up the ME2 poll. It's another one of the most popular polls on the site, and it asks players if they were disappointed with ME2. Despite the reasoning that "the angry crowd is the loudest", more than 80% still voted that they were satisfied. Now we're seeing a 2% satisfaction rate for the ending. That's pretty substantial, no?

[Aeyl]

Good morning. I read that we managed to raise 30k for Charity in 2 days? Awesome

[Jesta79-X]

March together and hold the line!

[ArmyKnifeX]

BalooTheBear wrote...

In regards to the poll if you look at politics or complaints to TV stations (Here with the BBC at least) they always suggest that for every one person who voted in a poll, there a x-number of people who feel the same but didn't vote.

So going on that logic there are an awful lot more people who really didn't like it than did.

That's very true, even moreso for this forum and this thread in particular. 1100 pages is a pretty daunting size for a thread that's only existed for just over a week.

However we can't forget that this is all going to be incredibly skewed at worst, and mostly skewed at best, since we all self-selected to be here. This isn't a true cross-section of ME3 buyers/gamers/players.

[BalooTheBear]

The_Canadian_Dragon wrote...

Has anyone posted the link to this article yet?

www.computerandvideogames.com/339608/features/mass-effect-3s-ending-why-the-backlash-is-idiotic-but-inevitable/

Speaking about the backlash, creator David Chase said:
"We didn't expect them to be that pissed for that long. It's one thing
to be deeply involved with a television show. It's another to be so
involved that all you do is sit on a couch and watch it. It seemed that
those people were just looking for an excuse to be pissed off."

*face palm*

Isn't he the creator of the Sopranos not ME?

[sumo390]

morph4037 wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley
>.<

I just find it funny how the articles that bring negative attention to this are the only ones that EAware people have linked. lol

So true. Seems like an example of "head in the sand" in a way waiting for it to go away by ignoring the ther side of the argument

[Machazareel]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

dfstone wrote...

EA is the largest game software distributor in the world. They are not worried about some people on a message board saying the end to one of their games sucked. They sold over 3 million copies of Mass Effect 3, and although math isn't my strongest subject, I'm pretty sure that there aren't 3 million people posting in this thread. EA isn't scared.

All online polls indicate some 90% of the players are unhappy at the endings and want them changed. 

Of the 3.5 million copies sold on the first day (in the USA) that would translate as some 3 million people unhappy at the game - just in that group. And the people who bought the game on the first day of release will consitute the majority of Biowares core consumer base.

So they have potentially lost 90% of their core customer base...no company will look at such figures and be happy. Sure, they have our money NOW...but future sales will fall drastically at a time they are trying to payback the $200 million they spent on the SWMMO.

If that doesn't convince you that EA/Bioware should be scared then consider this; EA's share price has dropped like a stone in the last week.

That 90% is from a self-selected poll of people who specifically came here because they were upset. Far fewer people who didn't mind the end or enjoyed it will show up here. So we're getting incredibly skewed results.

There are polls at several different gaming sites all over the internet, and all their results have shown the same trend.

[zarnk567]

I don't wanna bash Bioware, but they keep linking articles that call us monsters for using charity to get endings changed and that's just not the case.

[Cybermortis]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

How about EA's share price dropping to its lowest level in a year - from some $50 to $17 in 7 days....

Are you sure about these numbers? I don't think they are correct.
There may be minor fluctuations in EA stocks, but they have most certainly absolutely nothing to do with dissapointment over ME3 or this thread.

I got the top figure slightly wrong, it was just over 25 for the period (50 odd in the last 52 weeks, which I'm guessing coincided with the MMO's release). If you look at the following chart you'll notice that the price climbed just prior to ME3's release, then took a dive two or three days later - the same point people were starting to finish the game. The price rose again just prior to the European release and, again, took another dive as people started to finish the game. The second dive was much more severe than the first, which I'd put down to the more casual gamers in the US starting to finish the game at the same time.

It is, from this, rather clear that EA stocks have taken a bashing as a result of player reaction to ME3.

http://investor.ea.com/stockquote.cfm

[QwibQwib]

thedistortedchild wrote...

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley
>.<

That just angers me, they always miss the point and misunderstand the whole concept of Child's play. Honestly we should dismiss Kotaku since the don't even do research before writing an article.

Modifié par QwibQwib, 14 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[Meteor_VII]

thedistortedchild wrote...

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley
>.<

For me I wish people on the boards weren't using the word demand in everything they do. Demanding anything puts more negative on yourself than positive. Some people on here love to bring up old literary examples of authors being sent letters about their books but I doubt the public was "we demand" you to make a change or make more. It was probably we ask you to make more or we plead you to make changes. Using the word demand makes you look over bearing.

This comes from someone in the camp of the endings are screwed up.

[Menthro]

 Incoming Press: 

http://www.pcgamer.c...s-play-charity/ 

Thanks to 
Quietness 

hold the LINE!

[nitefyre410]

Jesta79-X wrote...

March together and hold the line!

 


  

really we have gone full blown Epic  Choir ... orchestral soundtrack... 


Holding  the got damn line 

[Levis117]

I don't think mankind has seen this much mass depression since... the Dark ages, hell forget mankind, the entire galaxy in it's entire existence...

Hold the Line.

Modifié par Levis117, 14 mars 2012 - 03:28 .

[EchoLuv]

I, for one, am getting sick of this 'artistic license' argument. Bioware as a business simply does not fall under that category.

For example, when a man paints a picture, with the sole purpose of expressing him self, the finished product cannot be judged on a pass fail bases.

If, how ever, that same man were hired to paint a portrait, that picture would be judged on the buyers view point alone.

Games, like movies and even books, are a consumer products and consequently open to all forms of consumer critique.
Which is why Books go to publishers/editors who offer notes to their authors, and movies can change drastically after screen testing. Because they are a consumer product.

/end rant

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley


I don't see that on his page. If he did do that, lol wow.

[WvStolzing]

BalooTheBear wrote...

In regards to the poll if you look at politics or complaints to TV stations (Here with the BBC at least) they always suggest that for every one person who voted in a poll, there a x-number of people who feel the same but didn't vote.

So going on that logic there are an awful lot more people who really didn't like it than did.

Yeah, but when the BBC or any institution with public responsibilities conducts a survey, they do it on a specific method; they choose the groups of people whom they'll interview with an eye to the best representation of the whole, and so forth.

Online polls don't have any of that.

[Matt_gekko88]

zarnk567 wrote...

I don't wanna bash Bioware, but they keep linking articles that call us monsters for using charity to get endings changed and that's just not the case.

Wat..?

[Jswensva]

Ugh...a friend of mine is emailing me about how excited he is about the game. He's just heading to Thessia. I can't bring my self to say anything to him. Told him two days ago to not look up anything online re:me3 (he was already on self-imposed lockdown to avoid spoilers). I want so badly to say something, but I don't want to ruin for him the magical feelings I had in the run-up to paint-by-number...

He's talking about how much he's enjoying the LI interactions, and can't wait to go back through with other options. About how he cheered out loud at the end of the Grunt/Rachni mission and the Quarian/Geth mission.

Guess we'll have one more in the course of a number of hours...

I just don't have the heart to tell him

[Siegdrifa]

PKchu wrote...

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley


I don't see that on his page. If he did do that, lol wow.

What is the tweet page of Chris Presley?