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[Cybermortis]

Machazareel wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

dfstone wrote...

EA is the largest game software distributor in the world. They are not worried about some people on a message board saying the end to one of their games sucked. They sold over 3 million copies of Mass Effect 3, and although math isn't my strongest subject, I'm pretty sure that there aren't 3 million people posting in this thread. EA isn't scared.

All online polls indicate some 90% of the players are unhappy at the endings and want them changed. 

Of the 3.5 million copies sold on the first day (in the USA) that would translate as some 3 million people unhappy at the game - just in that group. And the people who bought the game on the first day of release will consitute the majority of Biowares core consumer base.

So they have potentially lost 90% of their core customer base...no company will look at such figures and be happy. Sure, they have our money NOW...but future sales will fall drastically at a time they are trying to payback the $200 million they spent on the SWMMO.

If that doesn't convince you that EA/Bioware should be scared then consider this; EA's share price has dropped like a stone in the last week.

That 90% is from a self-selected poll of people who specifically came here because they were upset. Far fewer people who didn't mind the end or enjoyed it will show up here. So we're getting incredibly skewed results.

There are polls at several different gaming sites all over the internet, and all their results have shown the same trend.

Yeap, which is why I started by saying 'ALL online polls...', I wasn't just talking about the polls on this site.

[Ranorm]

Private Ranorm, checking in.

1100+ pages! Way to go guys.

Hold the line!

[dfstone]

I was thinking maybe there were alternate endings buried in the games. But it looks like thats not true. Oh well. I'm not going to bash Bioware for their ending, its their story and they should tell it however they want to. I'm a little disappointed. Since they've been saying in their PR releases to hang on to your ME3 saves, I'm guessing ME4 is already in the works. We'll see how that goes.

[BalooTheBear]

WvStolzing wrote...

BalooTheBear wrote...

In regards to the poll if you look at politics or complaints to TV stations (Here with the BBC at least) they always suggest that for every one person who voted in a poll, there a x-number of people who feel the same but didn't vote.

So going on that logic there are an awful lot more people who really didn't like it than did.

Yeah, but when the BBC or any institution with public responsibilities conducts a survey, they do it on a specific method; they choose the groups of people whom they'll interview with an eye to the best representation of the whole, and so forth.

Online polls don't have any of that.

I was thinking more about points of view, a show where they encourage people who have comments/ dislike shows to phone in and they often use that info of how many people phoned in when looking at complaints.

[I-am-Biwinning]

thedistortedchild wrote...

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley
>.<

They hate us. They get the point, I think they just don't care. At all. They have our money, what's the point in them doing anything at all to even address our concerns? They trolled us all, and are now rubbing it in our face.

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

EchoLuv wrote...

I, for one, am getting sick of this 'artistic license' argument. Bioware as a business simply does not fall under that category.

For example, when a man paints a picture, with the sole purpose of expressing him self, the finished product cannot be judged on a pass fail bases.

If, how ever, that same man were hired to paint a portrait, that picture would be judged on the buyers view point alone.

Games, like movies and even books, are a consumer products and consequently open to all forms of consumer critique.
Which is why Books go to publishers/editors who offer notes to their authors, and movies can change drastically after screen testing. Because they are a consumer product.

/end rant

Nailed it.  Rant on fellow gamers.

[zarnk567]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

I don't wanna bash Bioware, but they keep linking articles that call us monsters for using charity to get endings changed and that's just not the case.

Wat..?

some people just donated cause they wanted too, like me. it wouldnt have mattered if it was about getting the endings changed or not i just like that charity and donated.

[Aeyl]

Jswensva wrote...

Ugh...a friend of mine is emailing me about how excited he is about the game. He's just heading to Thessia. I can't bring my self to say anything to him. Told him two days ago to not look up anything online re:me3 (he was already on self-imposed lockdown to avoid spoilers). I want so badly to say something, but I don't want to ruin for him the magical feelings I had in the run-up to paint-by-number...

He's talking about how much he's enjoying the LI interactions, and can't wait to go back through with other options. About how he cheered out loud at the end of the Grunt/Rachni mission and the Quarian/Geth mission.

Guess we'll have one more in the course of a number of hours...

I just don't have the heart to tell him

Depressing. Hmm. I know that I wasn't really upset by the endings at first, just really confused. Then I started thinking about them and about why I was confused.

Then I got on this forum >_>;

[Capeo]

EchoLuv wrote...

I, for one, am getting sick of this 'artistic license' argument. Bioware as a business simply does not fall under that category.

For example, when a man paints a picture, with the sole purpose of expressing him self, the finished product cannot be judged on a pass fail bases.

If, how ever, that same man were hired to paint a portrait, that picture would be judged on the buyers view point alone.

Games, like movies and even books, are a consumer products and consequently open to all forms of consumer critique.
Which is why Books go to publishers/editors who offer notes to their authors, and movies can change drastically after screen testing. Because they are a consumer product.

/end rant

Well stated. 

[redknight38]

So some time has passed and there's now division on this forum, false rumors that make people hope and people who liked the ending are emboldened by the negative media to begin responding. Hell, it even looks like things are calming down here. See, this is why they decided to simply try waiting it out. I sincerely doubt they had any sort of plan or DLC or whatever.

[Menthro]

Just a friendly reminder please do not bash, attack, or molest Bioware, or any of its employees. Stay Civil people!

Hold the Line!

[Etereoooo]

dfstone wrote...

I was thinking maybe there were alternate endings buried in the games. But it looks like thats not true. Oh well. I'm not going to bash Bioware for their ending, its their story and they should tell it however they want to. I'm a little disappointed. Since they've been saying in their PR releases to hang on to your ME3 saves, I'm guessing ME4 is already in the works. We'll see how that goes.

But there is no save after the ending...no?

[Matt_gekko88]

zarnk567 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

I don't wanna bash Bioware, but they keep linking articles that call us monsters for using charity to get endings changed and that's just not the case.

Wat..?

some people just donated cause they wanted too, like me. it wouldnt have mattered if it was about getting the endings changed or not i just like that charity and donated.

I know mate, that's not what I meant with "wat".
They really are linkin such articles? That's totally not cool.

[Jorojr]

I-am-Biwinning wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley
>.<

They hate us. They get the point, I think they just don't care. At all. They have our money, what's the point in them doing anything at all to even address our concerns? They trolled us all, and are now rubbing it in our face.

If it stays as is, I'll just vote with my wallet in the future.  C&C Generals 2?  No thanks.  Heart of the Swarm *should* be out later this year.  Dragon Age 3?  No thanks.  I'll just wait for CD Projekt Red to release The Witcher 3.  SW:TOR?  I was interested, but at this point, No thanks.  If I need an MMO fix, I'll just wait for Mists of Pandaria and renew my WoW account.  There's also Guild Wars 2.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

Cybermortis wrote...


http://investor.ea.com/stockquote.cfm

Well according to this link in the big picture EA stocks are on a sharp decline since November 2011 und are slightly recovering since march 2012, i can't see any relevant impact ME3 might have had here.

[savionen]

EchoLuv wrote...

I, for one, am getting sick of this 'artistic license' argument. Bioware as a business simply does not fall under that category.

For example, when a man paints a picture, with the sole purpose of expressing him self, the finished product cannot be judged on a pass fail bases.

If, how ever, that same man were hired to paint a portrait, that picture would be judged on the buyers view point alone.

Games, like movies and even books, are a consumer products and consequently open to all forms of consumer critique.
Which is why Books go to publishers/editors who offer notes to their authors, and movies can change drastically after screen testing. Because they are a consumer product.

/end rant

It's also like if an artist who painted realistic portraits, was asked to paint a person, and came back with a painting of a dog.

A few people would go "BRILLIANT!" but most people would ask for their money back.

[Benirus]

Menthro wrote...

 Incoming Press: 

http://www.pcgamer.c...s-play-charity/ 

Thanks to 
Quietness 

hold the LINE!

PCGamer finaly writes something and it's actually insulting too us.... sigh

If you got an acount vote me up (MrLorgy) so people get to see some of the truth.

[Menthro]

Etereoooo wrote...

dfstone wrote...

I was thinking maybe there were alternate endings buried in the games. But it looks like thats not true. Oh well. I'm not going to bash Bioware for their ending, its their story and they should tell it however they want to. I'm a little disappointed. Since they've been saying in their PR releases to hang on to your ME3 saves, I'm guessing ME4 is already in the works. We'll see how that goes.

But there is no save after the ending...no?

Not that anyone has found, the last save the game makes itself seems to be right before the Cerberus Base

[Butane9000]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. They wanted to make the games ending memorable but that doesn't mean it's good Bioware. You really dropped the ball.

[Kloborgg711]

Just read the PCGamer article, and it came SO close to being unbiased.. and then the last paragraph. More "herp derp y u want change art??". No, Mass Effect 3 didn't get a Citizen Kane ending, and we don't want a bear-fighting ending. It's more like Mass Effect 3 got an unfinished bear-fighting ending and virtually everyone hated it.

This whole comparison "lol would Wells have wanted his ending changed?" is ludicrous. The only reason such a comparison even sounds so stupid because Citizen Kane is an almost universally loved piece of art. If he had asked "lol would M Night Shyamalan have wanted to change his movies?" he would be slightly closer to base, though not by much.

Regardless, how dense do you have to be to not see the flaws in such an analogy? This isn't Bioware telling us a story and us not liking how it ends, this is Bioware letting us drive a story for 5 years and then ripping the wheel away and driving us into a tree.

[sumo390]

Jorojr wrote...

I-am-Biwinning wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

@Kotaku
Charitable Donations Don't Give you the Right to Demand Changes to Mass Effect 3 http://bit.ly/Ao9kRK
Retweeted by Chris Presley
>.<

They hate us. They get the point, I think they just don't care. At all. They have our money, what's the point in them doing anything at all to even address our concerns? They trolled us all, and are now rubbing it in our face.

If it stays as is, I'll just vote with my wallet in the future.  C&C Generals 2?  No thanks.  Heart of the Swarm *should* be out later this year.  Dragon Age 3?  No thanks.  I'll just wait for CD Projekt Red to release The Witcher 3.  SW:TOR?  I was interested, but at this point, No thanks.  If I need an MMO fix, I'll just wait for Mists of Pandaria and renew my WoW account.  There's also Guild Wars 2.

Yep, money speaks louder than words

Modifié par sumo390, 14 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[morph4037]

zarnk567 wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

I don't wanna bash Bioware, but they keep linking articles that call us monsters for using charity to get endings changed and that's just not the case.

Wat..?

some people just donated cause they wanted too, like me. it wouldnt have mattered if it was about getting the endings changed or not i just like that charity and donated.

Ditto.

[Chatboy 91]

I just got up, nicely done guys! We hit 1100 pages, AND the donations are up another $5k to $33 000!

[TSC_1]

I'm getting pretty dispirited. I can't imagine that, at this point, any changes are coming. We're boned.

[Cybermortis]

WvStolzing wrote...

BalooTheBear wrote...

In regards to the poll if you look at politics or complaints to TV stations (Here with the BBC at least) they always suggest that for every one person who voted in a poll, there a x-number of people who feel the same but didn't vote.

So going on that logic there are an awful lot more people who really didn't like it than did.

Yeah, but when the BBC or any institution with public responsibilities conducts a survey, they do it on a specific method; they choose the groups of people whom they'll interview with an eye to the best representation of the whole, and so forth.

Online polls don't have any of that.

Errm...who are you going to ask about the ending of a specific computer game if not the people who've played it?

Also note that you have to have internet access to get the game to work (at least on the PC), and from what I can recall you also needed internet access to activate the first two games as well.

So...why are the online polls suddenly unreliable? Every single one of them is saying the same thing - some 90% of the players are not happy with the end.