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[GreenSoda]

Cybermortis wrote...

DazenCobalt17 wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

Preistly and I are having a convo:
@manveerheir I concur the charitable donation is a good thing but I think attaching an unrelated agenda to a charity drive is reprehensible.

@Thessair @manveerheir Its a result of the agenda, used as a way to have something good come from the ending. No agenda = no charity drive

@dragonsamantha @manveerheir The charity drive should be the agenda. Otherwise the charity is being exploited to make a point.

@Thessair @manveerheir The charity drive = result of fan's sadness & made < 30k for sick kids I don't think they care why it was donated.

Exploited!? I see nothing but gain for this charity.  The people who started this charity knew there was a chance that we would fail in our quest for a better ending but they did it anyway.  How can this be seen as expoiting a charity.

We're focusing/aimming our rage into something positive.  Whether we get our endings or not we've helped kids. *shakes head* gah

A sign that they are worried maybe?

A 'vocal minority' of 'self-entitled' players has started an unorginized and unfunded campaign that has caused their share-price to fall, along with sales of their newest game AND forced a worldwide drop in the price of that game. They (meaning we) have even managed to gain growing support from the very same press that not that long ago were raging against us.

Just as importantly our complaints/points are consistent, politely worded and reasonable.

Bioware/EA is suddenly running around, forced onto the defensive by a force that they can't control, isn't letting up and is only getting stronger by the hour....And ME3 STILL hasn't been released everywhere yet!

Be proud, keep up the fight and hold that blessed line!

Hmm I don't know. The charity thing surely got us a lot of press...but concerning this very move (the charity) it is all mostly negative.

[The_Canadian_Dragon]

TheRazgrez wrote...

looking at this makes me think to a line in the game, "just following your lead shepard, make enough noise and someones bound to come over and see what all the noise is about..." hold the line!

Its amazing how much of direct game quotes encourage us to keep fighting when they would rather we just fall silent, stop fighting them and just give up.

Anyone else drawing parallels between Shepard and the Reapers?

[Matt_gekko88]

dfstone wrote...

RatedRRachel wrote...

Even if they don't change the ending, I just want an explanation as to what really happened? Maybe I would respect their artistic integrity for the story if I knew why the hell Joker was flying away with the crew etc...? I do slightly buy into the indoctrination theory, but if it was the ending, I wish there was a little more to confirm it. That - at the moment - is really what I want from Bioware: an explanation of what my 120+ hours per Shepard meant. Personal interpretation is all well and good, but I didn't play these games for five years to make up my own ending.

I guarantee that they are going to release DLC that fills in the holes.  They left the ambiguity in the ending to sell DLC.  If they finalized everything there would be no reason to buy extra content.  The fact that they left so many unaswered questions gives them a reason to release DLC packs. 

Since Bioware said that this is the end of Shepherd's storyline, that is the only way the story's holes will be closed...thru DLC.  The next major franchise release is going to have a different protagonist.

Yeah but can you or anyone else here confirm this?
And even so: that's not a direction the gaming-industry should pursue. Then they could offer DLC for everything, even important and relevant things.

[alberta]

I not only sense folks here have become very dejected over a few remarks by various BW staff one related to Children's Charity, and two, the game ending. None of that bothers me what so ever - BW and other already against us reacted exactly as expected and have done to this point in time. THEY WANT TO DESTROY OUR MOVEMENT AT ALL COSTS. Why? We've hurt them badly and they are lashing out, exactly as they have done to this point in time, VERY DEFENSIVELY.

BW knows the long term damages extremely unhappy fans can have with BW and EA - few fans are actually buying BW game material and products - and the entirely of BW knows it better than we do at this point in time. They're sales for game material is tanking -

BW is so defensive over their ending - and I mean extremely defensive by their vicious reaction - not one BW staff members ever attempted to EXPLAIN their endings what so ever - and THIS tells me all I need to know. Their ending is an extremely sore point at BW itself - therefore the mission of THOSE WHO MADE THOSE ENDINGS - are to try and destroy US. NEVER fall for this strategy - WE ARE WINNING BIG TIME TODAY and everyone at BW and EA knows it better than us at the moment. TO BW and EA - in the immortal words of John Paul JONES --- "I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!"

BW and EA - YOU don't know me BUT everyone who does knows full well I have never yet vanished into that good night - "I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!"

[Aeyl]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

s8383783 wrote...

I really don't see them changing a thing....At the end of the day Mass effect is theirs. If they deem their ending acceptable then it will stay, we can't force them to change anything if they are unwilling

Off course it theirs. But then they should never call themselves "community- and fan-oriented" again.  Since they are a profit-oriented-company, they should show some interests into the opinions of their customers.

I'm just worried that the ending wasn't meant to be indoctrination, and was actually carefully put together  to be the final end to Shepard's story.

In which case, it must be frustrating having so many fans insisting that it couldn't be real because it was so awful. I could understand why there has been no comment if they are trying to find out how to respond. 

[WvStolzing]

Feraiin wrote...
What we have is a literal Deus Ex Machina, widely regarded as a cheap way to end a story, shunned by critics and reviewers in almost any other storytelling medium, but here we are supposed to just suck it up and move on?

Sadly, that's the 'name of the game'; and that's the reason why 'entitlement' has become such a 'dissing buzzword'.

The idea is that the consumer has no rights----chiefly the basic right to truth, or not being lied to. As long as the seller can 'get away with' what he's doing, well, he 'gets away with it'; and the measure of 'having got away with it', is the amount of units sold.

So not only are they not acknowledging that they have responsibilities towards people, to whom they've made promises, they're going further than that, in ridiculing any attempt to remind them of this responsibility. They're denying the very relevance of such a basic consumer right.

There you have it, the law of the jungle, might makes right. Some good real life lessons.

[ExileArin]

[quote]Aeyl wrote...

[quote]Menthro wrote...

[quote]ExileArin wrote...

[quote]Soundsystem wrote...
*snip*

So far, all I've seen from Bioware itself has been vague, but not insulting. The insulting is coming from external reviewers.

I'm disappointed about the silence, but oh well.
[/quote]

Sorry guys, you're correct. I've seen some retweets of the insulting articles, but I believe it is from moderators, not the actual employees. To me, it sends the same sort of message, but I shouldn't have labelled it as Bioware employees. My bad

Modifié par ExileArin, 14 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[sumo390]

soske aizen wrote...

just got back from sleep any news on the frontlines?

So far it seems like lazy journalists using the same "art/book" argument along with questionable bioware tweets

[Menthro]

kongenial wrote...

Aeyl wrote...

So far, all I've seen from Bioware itself has been vague, but not insulting. The insulting is coming from external reviewers.

I'm disappointed about the silence, but oh well.

To me this is insulting as well. They seem actually not to care. They jsut twitter "Oh looky here we got some DLC coming your way". This is what was to expect from the beginning but it answers not the pleas for an actual explanation.

If you feel it is insulting please explain it so, say otherwise I.E. saying they have insulted us or retweeted insults, can spark something we do not want to happen I.E. trolling, flamewars, and eventually thread closure. 

Hold the Line!

[rethas]

Cybermortis wrote...

DazenCobalt17 wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

Preistly and I are having a convo:
@manveerheir I concur the charitable donation is a good thing but I think attaching an unrelated agenda to a charity drive is reprehensible.

@Thessair @manveerheir Its a result of the agenda, used as a way to have something good come from the ending. No agenda = no charity drive

@dragonsamantha @manveerheir The charity drive should be the agenda. Otherwise the charity is being exploited to make a point.

@Thessair @manveerheir The charity drive = result of fan's sadness & made < 30k for sick kids I don't think they care why it was donated.

Exploited!? I see nothing but gain for this charity.  The people who started this charity knew there was a chance that we would fail in our quest for a better ending but they did it anyway.  How can this be seen as expoiting a charity.

We're focusing/aimming our rage into something positive.  Whether we get our endings or not we've helped kids. *shakes head* gah

A sign that they are worried maybe?

A 'vocal minority' of 'self-entitled' players has started an unorginized and unfunded campaign that has caused their share-price to fall, along with sales of their newest game AND forced a worldwide drop in the price of that game. They (meaning we) have even managed to gain growing support from the very same press that not that long ago were raging against us.

Just as importantly our complaints/points are consistent, politely worded and reasonable.

Bioware/EA is suddenly running around, forced onto the defensive by a force that they can't control, isn't letting up and is only getting stronger by the hour....And ME3 STILL hasn't been released everywhere yet!

Be proud, keep up the fight and hold that blessed line!

Please stop stating that about the stock price. You are just adding to the disinformation going around.

I understand you are upset I am too but EAs stock has been in a general decline and plateau for some time now.

Also several markets in Europe are on the point of collapse and there are tons of problems with the oil industry effecting the entire stock market.

With 3 million sales share holders will be happy, if the next bioware game were to sell badly due to this then sure that'd be an effect of this on the stock market.

Please just look at the history of EA stock before the release of mass effect, EA has been at a low for a very long time.

[Dj14365]

Benirus wrote...

Man, that even PCgamer turned out to stapple us as entitled ragers... sigh

Bummed me out a bit, brb smoke and shower

Disapointing I know but it isn't the first and won't be the last. We got to pick ourselves up dust ourselves of and keep on holding that line.
Ps if you can would you link it up. I'm trying to stay on top of articles good bad or indifferent.

[Apfelweinbrauer]

dfstone wrote...

Sure there is.  Who's to say when the next storyline will be?  It could be in the distant future after the ME3 when a new kind of interstellar travel is developed.  It could be *gulps* pre-quel to ME1.  They could forget mass relays at all and just use FTL drives like they do in the game now.  Remember you can still travel to different stars without using a relay in the game right now. 

I am sorry, but I have to disagree on that.

Distant future? Hmmm, thats possible somehow but in that case it would have to be VERY distant, as far as I can recall the "stargazer" seems to tell the kid that the events of mass effect took place very long ago and in the time of those two, apparently no spacefaring technology is available and will not be in conceivable time.

Prequel to ME 1? Well, there isn't much that happend before, at least not involving humans, the only thing worth mentioning would be the (very short) war between humans and turians and some batarian / slave trader raids on human colonies. Besides that, knowing the future that waits for this universe, I would it find very hard to generate some kind of interest in anything like that, although you might feel different about this.

FTL drives? Sure thats, possible but you can only reach solar systems that are quite near to your own, reaching places on the other side of the galaxy would be impossible, the ingame codex mentions that too, when referring to the importance of the mass relays.

[Menthro]

ExileArin wrote...

*sniped*

Sorry guys, you're correct. I've seen some retweets of the insulting articles, but I believe it is from moderators, not the actual employees. To me, it sends the same sort of message, but I shouldn't have labelled it as Bioware employees. My bad

No apologies neccesary, like I said earlier we just need proof before *ahem* going off. 

Modifié par Menthro, 14 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[Benirus]

Dj14365 wrote...

Benirus wrote...

Man, that even PCgamer turned out to stapple us as entitled ragers... sigh

Bummed me out a bit, brb smoke and shower

Disapointing I know but it isn't the first and won't be the last. We got to pick ourselves up dust ourselves of and keep on holding that line.
Ps if you can would you link it up. I'm trying to stay on top of articles good bad or indifferent.

www.pcgamer.com/2012/03/14/mass-effect-3-ending-outrage-raises-30k-for-childs-play-charity/

[BaileysChick]

 For those asking for a Update


 Bioware Director Responds to Mass Effect 3 Criticism

[Nefelius]

.Purgatory. the Citadel.

-Your chair is squeaking.
- No it doesn't.
- And there is less brendy in the glass!
-That's enough, Garrus. For ten years you come here, and start whining.There's noone here. Only you.drunk and an empty chair beside you. I made a fortune out of you - you always come here and order 2 glasses of brandy yet everytime you drink only one of it.
- I said it' squeaking, dammit! He promised me and he kept the promise! Because there's no Vakarian without Shepard.

[ViperAlvein]

you realize guys, thats not priestly, its some random called presley >.>

[krashofny90]

HEY EVERYONE, BIOWARE JUST PUT OUT A POLL OF "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME3?" ON FACEBOOK!
http://www.facebook.com/masseffect2

[Kloborgg711]

s8383783 wrote...

I really don't see them changing a thing....At the end of the day Mass effect is theirs. If they deem their ending acceptable then it will stay, we can't force them to change anything if they are unwilling. If they are so adamant on keeping this ending let them..they're just digging their own graves by alienating fans, and being dismissive jerks. I'm going to be honest and say I never once thought what we were doing here was going to change the ending, but it felt good. (the charity)

No, we can't force them to change the ending. We cannot demand a new ending. What we can do is give our honest feedback and plead with Bioware. The choice of words by all of these media outlets is so ridiculous. "Large group of fans asking Bioware for alternative ending" would be an unbiased and honest title for an article. "Vocal fans DEMAND new ending from Bioware" is just asking for flames. If I have a history of donating to charities, and a charity sends me a letter asking for donations, are they DEMANDING I pay them? What ENTITLES them to plead with me?

The company has in the past been so proud about its fan reputation, to the point of telling us we helped co-create the game. And yet the second the title is released, it ceases to be "giving feedback" and becomes "forcing". When fan reaction for ME2 asked for a Tali/Garrus romance, Bioware listened to those who supported them for years and added it in. I don't recall massive gaming sites writing articles along the lines of "Idiotic Entitled Fans Force Bioware to Submit to Their Demand and Add New Romances: Why This Will Destroy Art Forever" As others have said, the comparison to a work of art is ludicrous. From the very onset, before ME1's release, we were told it was our story. That sentiment was only repeated towards the release of ME3. You can't tell millions that it's their story and then suddenly be taken aback when they react to the fact that they've had control taken away. As it's been said, Mass Effect was written by a shuffling group of old/new writers. Mass Effect is a video game, and it's always had DLC. So, you can pay money to have new additions to the story, but when that addition happens to be at the end, it's an infringement on creativity.

Finally, I'd to respond to the vague allegations that Bioware answer its fans here will somehow "lead us down a dark path" as so many sites are claiming. Ignoring what your fanbase wants and doing what you think is best gets us stories like The Phantom Menace. Releasing when you've pissed your fanbase off and having the humility to change your story gets us Sherlock Holmes.

[kongenial]

Menthro wrote...

If you feel it is insulting please explain it so, say otherwise I.E. saying they have insulted us or retweeted insults, can spark something we do not want to happen I.E. trolling, flamewars, and eventually thread closure. 

Hold the Line!

I thought that was obvious. NOT saying anything is to me insulting as well. We discuss this in uncounted threads and comments and Bioware does not give a straight comment. What's this about? 

[Nilofeliu]

karambiatos wrote...

rianna wrote...


QFT. I don't recall going to the art museum and hearing, "Well, you can look at 'Nighthawks' all you want for the price of admission, but if you want the color green it's gonna be an extra $5. Another seven bucks will get you the streetlight." When I buy a book, I don't have to pay $10 for chapter 7, which features a new character and plot development essential to understanding the epilogue. There is no question that video games can be -- and often are -- an artistic medium, but acting scandalized at the idea of selling an ending for money implies that isn't exactly what the industry is already doing. Argument invalid.

the only games id call art is metal gear, and ace combat, everything else is just business, and thats business filled with unethical behavior that wouldnt stand in any other industry. well there might be some other ones there, but have sadly been lost in time and the medicore (funny how both of em are japanese)

I would call the Witcher 1 art as well. The story was well written and the game well developed. There were some flaws and glitches (mostly technical due to the engine) but the story was amazing, and the art and creative license applied to the game was just beautiful.

In the end we got the kid that had grown up and became Villain arc, but that was a twist that could be expected, or at least explained. It seems Bioware tried the same here in ME3, but without any basis at all, the logic lacking and now all they do is insult us through the media industry saying we are the ones to blame because we"failed" to understand what they meant. (Meaning, we are just dumb kids with an IQ too low to understand how great and well written the ending was).

Shame on you Bioware...

[cotheer]

Joe is preparing his review of the game:

http://angryjoeshow....ct-dlc-on-disc/

This will be fun to watch ;-;

Modifié par cotheer, 14 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[dfstone]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Yeah but can you or anyone else here confirm this?
And even so: that's not a direction the gaming-industry should pursue. Then they could offer DLC for everything, even important and relevant things.

Well they haven't officially announced an ME4 of course, ME3 just came out.  But all signs point to it.   Bioware's statements about holding on to ME3 saves and the fact that Shepherd's storyline ends here.  Introducing a Day 1 DLC that expands on the Protheans.  Its kinda obvious that is the direction they are going.  The DLC released for ME2 altered the whole theme of the main-game not just ME2 but ME3 as well.  DLC is the way of the future now, like it or not.  All the game companies are doing it.

[thedistortedchild]

Nefelius wrote...

.Purgatory. the Citadel.

-Your chair is squeaking.
- No it doesn't.
- And there is less brendy in the glass!
-That's enough, Garrus. For ten years you come here, and start whining.There's noone here. Only you.drunk and an empty chair beside you. I made a fortune out of you - you always come here and order 2 glasses of brandy yet everytime you drink only one of it.
- I said it' squeaking, dammit! He promised me and he kept the promise! Because there's no Vakarian without Shepard.

:crying:

[Menthro]

BaileysChick wrote...

 For those asking for a Update


 Bioware Director Responds to Mass Effect 3 Criticism

Unfortunetly the real interview the article is refrencing MAY have actually been done prior to this backlash