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[Max Dunn]

Checking in. (Man this thread is
MOVING)

TL;DR Phenomenal game up until the last 10 minutes and then I kinda wish I
hadn't played it. Actually from the amount of anguish I felt over the ending I
would say I REALLY wish I hadn't played it. I even went back and got my
Readiness to 100% and did it again just to be really sure, as if in some vain
hope everyone else on the internet could be wrong... Yes, yes I know, it's
a game. I'm a well adjusted 34 year old man. I don't care. This story had
me hooked, and to see it end that way made me sick.

Anyone else thinks the endings feel like a bug and there's dialog options not
presented? I know if you don't romance Garrus or Tali depending on your
gender, you can get them to go together so the Normandy crashing with Joke,
EDI, Garrus, and Tali coming out if you chose the synthesis option kinda makes
sense in some situations? Of course that doesn't explain how they got on the
ship in the first place, I took Garrus and Tali with me in my squad, and
Tali was my LI so I don't think she'd be hitting up Garrus as a rebounder
right after I tore the galaxy a new one via Mass Relay destruction. I'm not
even going into everything else that happens there as it's been dissected
better by people before me.



As for the comments on interpretation and such: Yes, you want an unforgettable
ending. There will be some interpretation. However, the entirety of what just
happened shouldn't be open to interpretation. Nothing was explained or resolved
in any fashion and the ending is unforgettable because everyone is
dissatisfied with it. If someone shot my dad it'd be unforgettable too, but
for bad reasons. Everything up to the end of this series, to me, was
unforgettable because it was good. Good writing, good voice acting, good
production. I loved ME1, I love ME2 even more, mainly because it was more
Garrus and Tali but also due to it being a more polished product. I knew
ME3 was going to be rough and grim but it was even better! It was on a roll all
the way and then *poof* we're going somewhere different. Cya.

Lastly, polarization... well that's not happening. Our (here in the US)
elections are polarizing. Bush/Gore being a perfect example of a polarized
group of people. 90% of a group saying one thing is not polarized, its
consensus.

Modifié par Max Dunn, 14 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[QwibQwib]

krashofny90 wrote...

HEY EVERYONE, BIOWARE JUST PUT OUT A POLL OF "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME3?" ON FACEBOOK!
http://www.facebook.com/masseffect2

You can pick more than one option BTW!!!

[Alamandorious]

RampantGnome wrote...

Denethar wrote...

dfstone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Its because they are right. The idea of trying to force them to change their game because you don't like the ending is ridiculous. The best thing to do is give them feedback on why you didn't like it so hopefully when they launch the next storyline for the Mass Effect universe, they make some improvements.

Again, there is no Mass Effect universe for a new storyline to be in, cause they destroyed the mass relays...

Sure there is.  Who's to say when the next storyline will be?  It could be in the distant future after the ME3 when a new kind of interstellar travel is developed.  It could be *gulps* pre-quel to ME1.  They could forget mass relays at all and just use FTL drives like they do in the game now.  Remember you can still travel to different stars without using a relay in the game right now. 

They have lots of options to continue the story.

A Mass Effect universe with the Mass Effect part....sounds useless.

You're confusing the fact that element zero can control mass (the "mass effect") and the mass relays which use mass effect fields to allow ships to travel quickly around the galaxy. 

If the starchild had said all toasters would be destroyed it doesn't mean that electricty suddenly doesn't work.

The thing is, the Mass Effect relays exploded.  This has been determined, by the arrival DLC and codex entries, to wipe out terrestrial planets in the solar system that the relay is in.

You can argue that it was destroyed differently in the end of ME3 compared to The Arrival, but the wording the codex uses is 'when a mass relay is ruptured, the energy unleashed ruins all terrestrial planets in the solar system that it resides in'.

So...it quite clearly ruptured.  And we don't see Earth after it ruptures, so this holds true.

Now, you've wiped out all the homeworlds, all the large self-sustaining colonies, leaving only the small ones that can't sustain themselves active.

No, this ending makes no sense.

[morph4037]

Menthro wrote...

Im sorry but I have been monitering several twitter feeds at one time, and I may have missed the tweets, please link me to where they have insulted us or retweeted something insulting about us, please make sure it is from a bioware emplyee not from a moderator or someone else who chooses to donate their time to Bioware.

On more than a few occasions, they have been quick to delete the tweets. 

[christrek1982]

alberta wrote...

I not only sense folks here have become very dejected over a few remarks by various BW staff one related to Children's Charity, and two, the game ending. None of that bothers me what so ever - BW and other already against us reacted exactly as expected and have done to this point in time. THEY WANT TO DESTROY OUR MOVEMENT AT ALL COSTS. Why? We've hurt them badly and they are lashing out, exactly as they have done to this point in time, VERY DEFENSIVELY.

BW knows the long term damages extremely unhappy fans can have with BW and EA - few fans are actually buying BW game material and products - and the entirely of BW knows it better than we do at this point in time. They're sales for game material is tanking -

BW is so defensive over their ending - and I mean extremely defensive by their vicious reaction - not one BW staff members ever attempted to EXPLAIN their endings what so ever - and THIS tells me all I need to know. Their ending is an extremely sore point at BW itself - therefore the mission of THOSE WHO MADE THOSE ENDINGS - are to try and destroy US. NEVER fall for this strategy - WE ARE WINNING BIG TIME TODAY and everyone at BW and EA knows it better than us at the moment. TO BW and EA - in the immortal words of John Paul JONES --- "I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!"

BW and EA - YOU don't know me BUT everyone who does knows full well I have never yet vanished into that good night - "I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!"

+1 we must keep going if we don't all it will show is that people will let them get away with any old crap. hold the line

[WarBaby2]

RampantGnome wrote...

You're confusing the fact that element zero can control mass (the "mass effect") and the mass relays which use mass effect fields to allow ships to travel quickly around the galaxy. 

If the starchild had said all toasters would be destroyed it doesn't mean that electricty suddenly doesn't work.

That's true. The reapers themself only needed a few months to position over the whole galaxy with conventional FTL... the only thing that is gone with the mass relayes is instantaniouse space travel... and FTL communication.

Modifié par WarBaby2, 14 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[karambiatos]

QwibQwib wrote...

krashofny90 wrote...

HEY EVERYONE, BIOWARE JUST PUT OUT A POLL OF "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME3?" ON FACEBOOK!
http://www.facebook.com/masseffect2

You can pick more than one option BTW!!!

irony at its best

[Annaleah]

krashofny90 wrote...

HEY EVERYONE, BIOWARE JUST PUT OUT A POLL OF "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME3?" ON FACEBOOK!
http://www.facebook.com/masseffect2

That poll just confirms that the only reason we don't have more support right now is because the majority of people haven't finished it yet.

as for the rest of all this crap coming our way...

[unclee]

Usual reminder: Let's make sure to keep this civil and keep the Bioware bashing to a minimum. Even with the articles coming out against the charity drive let's not get off course and turn this ugly. Stay cool and civil!

[Aeyl]

Nefelius wrote...

.Purgatory. the Citadel.

-Your chair is squeaking.
- No it doesn't.
- And there is less brendy in the glass!
-That's enough, Garrus. For ten years you come here, and start whining.There's noone here. Only you.drunk and an empty chair beside you. I made a fortune out of you - you always come here and order 2 glasses of brandy yet everytime you drink only one of it.
- I said it' squeaking, dammit! He promised me and he kept the promise! Because there's no Vakarian without Shepard.

Don't say that! My Shepard is alive! And somehow Garrus got onto the Normandy and....Erm...Yeah. See, that's one of the issues

[DazenCobalt17]

mulder1199 wrote...

dfstone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Its because they are right. The idea of trying to force them to change their game because you don't like the ending is ridiculous. The best thing to do is give them feedback on why you didn't like it so hopefully when they launch the next storyline for the Mass Effect universe, they make some improvements.

Again, there is no Mass Effect universe for a new storyline to be in, cause they destroyed the mass relays...

Sure there is.  Who's to say when the next storyline will be?  It could be in the distant future after the ME3 when a new kind of interstellar travel is developed.  It could be *gulps* pre-quel to ME1.  They could forget mass relays at all and just use FTL drives like they do in the game now.  Remember you can still travel to different stars without using a relay in the game right now. 

They have lots of options to continue the story.

you may want to talk to a different crowd...most of the folks that comment in here aren't buying anymore bioware product....

the problem with the logic with FTL is that uh.....it requires fuel.  Fuel that we had to get from fueling stations.  Fueling stations that no longer exist. 

[sumo390]

christrek1982 wrote...

alberta wrote...

I not only sense folks here have become very dejected over a few remarks by various BW staff one related to Children's Charity, and two, the game ending. None of that bothers me what so ever - BW and other already against us reacted exactly as expected and have done to this point in time. THEY WANT TO DESTROY OUR MOVEMENT AT ALL COSTS. Why? We've hurt them badly and they are lashing out, exactly as they have done to this point in time, VERY DEFENSIVELY.

BW knows the long term damages extremely unhappy fans can have with BW and EA - few fans are actually buying BW game material and products - and the entirely of BW knows it better than we do at this point in time. They're sales for game material is tanking -

BW is so defensive over their ending - and I mean extremely defensive by their vicious reaction - not one BW staff members ever attempted to EXPLAIN their endings what so ever - and THIS tells me all I need to know. Their ending is an extremely sore point at BW itself - therefore the mission of THOSE WHO MADE THOSE ENDINGS - are to try and destroy US. NEVER fall for this strategy - WE ARE WINNING BIG TIME TODAY and everyone at BW and EA knows it better than us at the moment. TO BW and EA - in the immortal words of John Paul JONES --- "I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!"

BW and EA - YOU don't know me BUT everyone who does knows full well I have never yet vanished into that good night - "I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!"

+1 we must keep going if we don't all it will show is that people will let them get away with any old crap. hold the line

Very true, hold the line friends

[Max Knight]

cotheer wrote...

Joe is preparing his review of the game:

http://angryjoeshow....ct-dlc-on-disc/

This will be fun to watch ;-;

to the i can say only...YOOO JOE:D kudos if anyone get the reference.

[redfield2]

sumo390 wrote...

Those articles are still making the book/movie argument that has been proven incorrect time and time again? I'm not surprised.

I think I missed those, Could you link well-organized post about that? 

That will help me a lot to discuss that sort of topic
 
especially in Korean online fan club for Mass Effect !

[dfstone]

Alamandorious wrote...

RampantGnome wrote...

Denethar wrote...

dfstone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Its because they are right. The idea of trying to force them to change their game because you don't like the ending is ridiculous. The best thing to do is give them feedback on why you didn't like it so hopefully when they launch the next storyline for the Mass Effect universe, they make some improvements.

Again, there is no Mass Effect universe for a new storyline to be in, cause they destroyed the mass relays...

Sure there is.  Who's to say when the next storyline will be?  It could be in the distant future after the ME3 when a new kind of interstellar travel is developed.  It could be *gulps* pre-quel to ME1.  They could forget mass relays at all and just use FTL drives like they do in the game now.  Remember you can still travel to different stars without using a relay in the game right now. 

They have lots of options to continue the story.

A Mass Effect universe with the Mass Effect part....sounds useless.

You're confusing the fact that element zero can control mass (the "mass effect") and the mass relays which use mass effect fields to allow ships to travel quickly around the galaxy. 

If the starchild had said all toasters would be destroyed it doesn't mean that electricty suddenly doesn't work.

The thing is, the Mass Effect relays exploded.  This has been determined, by the arrival DLC and codex entries, to wipe out terrestrial planets in the solar system that the relay is in.

You can argue that it was destroyed differently in the end of ME3 compared to The Arrival, but the wording the codex uses is 'when a mass relay is ruptured, the energy unleashed ruins all terrestrial planets in the solar system that it resides in'.

So...it quite clearly ruptured.  And we don't see Earth after it ruptures, so this holds true.

Now, you've wiped out all the homeworlds, all the large self-sustaining colonies, leaving only the small ones that can't sustain themselves active.

No, this ending makes no sense.

Yeah but the ending of ME3 didn't explain how the Citadel shut down the relays.  I picked the synergy ending and in that one the relays exploded with that green energy thing that turned everything into organic/synthetic hybrids.  WHen the green explosion hit the earth, the earth wasn't destroyed.  Everyone just got green glowy eyes.

[Al-Qiliqi]

https://www.facebook.com/masseffect2

they have a survey going on, participate please

[fink0806]

New poll www.facebook.com/masseffect2

[krashofny90]

QwibQwib wrote...

krashofny90 wrote...

HEY EVERYONE, BIOWARE JUST PUT OUT A POLL OF "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME3?" ON FACEBOOK!
http://www.facebook.com/masseffect2

You can pick more than one option BTW!!!

awww shyeee-tuh you can add answers to the poll, really did not think that through.

[Aeyl]

Al-Qiliqi wrote...

https://www.facebook.com/masseffect2

they have a survey going on, participate please

Done. The ending was a disappointment

[ArmyKnifeX]

Cybermortis wrote...

DazenCobalt17 wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

Preistly and I are having a convo:
@manveerheir I concur the charitable donation is a good thing but I think attaching an unrelated agenda to a charity drive is reprehensible.

@Thessair @manveerheir Its a result of the agenda, used as a way to have something good come from the ending. No agenda = no charity drive

@dragonsamantha @manveerheir The charity drive should be the agenda. Otherwise the charity is being exploited to make a point.

@Thessair @manveerheir The charity drive = result of fan's sadness & made < 30k for sick kids I don't think they care why it was donated.

Exploited!? I see nothing but gain for this charity.  The people who started this charity knew there was a chance that we would fail in our quest for a better ending but they did it anyway.  How can this be seen as expoiting a charity.

We're focusing/aimming our rage into something positive.  Whether we get our endings or not we've helped kids. *shakes head* gah

A sign that they are worried maybe?

A 'vocal minority' of 'self-entitled' players has started an unorginized and unfunded campaign that has caused their share-price to fall, along with sales of their newest game AND forced a worldwide drop in the price of that game. They (meaning we) have even managed to gain growing support from the very same press that not that long ago were raging against us.

Just as importantly our complaints/points are consistent, politely worded and reasonable.

Bioware/EA is suddenly running around, forced onto the defensive by a force that they can't control, isn't letting up and is only getting stronger by the hour....And ME3 STILL hasn't been released everywhere yet!

Be proud, keep up the fight and hold that blessed line!

That person who he's having the conversation with is NOT Chris Priestly. It's someone else by the name of Chris Presley.

[Asmerroth]

I dont see the Survey....

[NalaG]

Reassured by the indoctrination theory I just determined I'd play ME3 as long as it takes me to unlock a new, real ending.

I'm sounding quite desperate, am I?

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

fink0806 wrote...

New poll www.facebook.com/masseffect2

Rofl at being able to add your own answers and "ending ruined it all" getting a lot of votes. Even on their FB page, man...

[OchreJelly]

dfstone wrote...

*Snip*

They have lots of options to continue the story.

While I agree, it's simply because they left a bunch of blank pages at the end of the story in lieu of an actual conclusion.

It's kinda like wearing aquamarine shoes with a regular tuxedo... sure it might work for some people, and even fit some situations, but the majority of people are going to find it a bit off if you wear them to your wedding.

[Alamandorious]

dfstone wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

RampantGnome wrote...

Denethar wrote...

dfstone wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

dfstone wrote...

Its because they are right. The idea of trying to force them to change their game because you don't like the ending is ridiculous. The best thing to do is give them feedback on why you didn't like it so hopefully when they launch the next storyline for the Mass Effect universe, they make some improvements.

Again, there is no Mass Effect universe for a new storyline to be in, cause they destroyed the mass relays...

Sure there is.  Who's to say when the next storyline will be?  It could be in the distant future after the ME3 when a new kind of interstellar travel is developed.  It could be *gulps* pre-quel to ME1.  They could forget mass relays at all and just use FTL drives like they do in the game now.  Remember you can still travel to different stars without using a relay in the game right now. 

They have lots of options to continue the story.

A Mass Effect universe with the Mass Effect part....sounds useless.

You're confusing the fact that element zero can control mass (the "mass effect") and the mass relays which use mass effect fields to allow ships to travel quickly around the galaxy. 

If the starchild had said all toasters would be destroyed it doesn't mean that electricty suddenly doesn't work.

The thing is, the Mass Effect relays exploded.  This has been determined, by the arrival DLC and codex entries, to wipe out terrestrial planets in the solar system that the relay is in.

You can argue that it was destroyed differently in the end of ME3 compared to The Arrival, but the wording the codex uses is 'when a mass relay is ruptured, the energy unleashed ruins all terrestrial planets in the solar system that it resides in'.

So...it quite clearly ruptured.  And we don't see Earth after it ruptures, so this holds true.

Now, you've wiped out all the homeworlds, all the large self-sustaining colonies, leaving only the small ones that can't sustain themselves active.

No, this ending makes no sense.

Yeah but the ending of ME3 didn't explain how the Citadel shut down the relays.  I picked the synergy ending and in that one the relays exploded with that green energy thing that turned everything into organic/synthetic hybrids.  WHen the green explosion hit the earth, the earth wasn't destroyed.  Everyone just got green glowy eyes.

In all the endings the mass relays explode after the beam hits them. We do not see earth after the Sol relay explodes.  Canon, established by bioware, says that when a mass relay explodes, it takes out all terrestrial planets in a solar system.