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[Hydralysk]

spacefiddle wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

You have been indoctrinated.

If you do this, you can expect this kind of crap to become the norm for all games from now on.  Shell out $60 bucks for a game, get no ending, wait a month or three for a finished product and then shell out another ten bucks for it?  Really?  No, I already bought the game, and - here's the important part - you represented it as a complete game.  False advertising.  To say nothing of that "It's not like you have just Choices A, B or C" line.  Bioware trolled us all and you're falling for it.

If there's paid DLC to complete this half-butted ending, I won't be buying it, nor any other EA product, ever again.  And my swtor account will be closed as well.

Edit:  Why?  Because any company-customer relationship has to have a degree of trust, and if this is their next move, they will prove they cannot be trusted.  Not throwing good money after bad so they can burn me again later.

I agree that it's bad... but they've got me. I care more about the story than about practices in the gameing industry. It's selfish as hell, but there you go.

They've got me.

So read about the story.  Are you looking forward to this happening with more games?  Do you want to experience this every time you play a game?  No?  Then find just a smidgen of willpower now.  It will save you a lot of trouble in the long run.

Hold the line!

I've gotta say i'm with TSC on this one. Getting them to give us ending DLC in the first place is a tough enough task, asking for it for free would make it damn near impossible. At this point the $ from the DLC would perhaps let them save face enough to comply with us. It would suck, but to paraphrase a comment I read in one of those article "I'd be perfectly willing to throw $10 at EA just to make this ending go away."

[Cybermortis]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

rethas wrote...

But the guy I was replying to stated EA's share went from $50 to what it is now which was simply a lie and spreading mis-information.

That was not exactly a lie, since EAs stocks dropped that hard in 2008 due to the financial crisis at this time, maybe he just made a mistake by using this numbers, so don't be too harsh on him, I don't think he did this on purpose.

Quote correct, I was in fact going off the figures that were listed on the stock-chart I linked to. This indicated that the highest price in the last 52 weeks was around $50 - I'd guess that this figure was probably around the time the MMO was released. (I can't imagine the share price being all that high after Dragon Age 2 was released)

The figures for the last two weeks or so indicate a starting figure around 17, rising to just over 25 on the day ME3 was released in the US. The figure fell to below 20 after three days - the same point where people were starting to finish the game. The figure jumped back above 25 when ME3 was released in Europe...only to fall again to between 16-17 over the next several days.

It can't be coincidence that the increase in stock prices appear at the exact time the game was released, and fall at the same time people were starting to finish the game and voice their displeasure. After all Mass Effect is/was Biowares main title and one of the most anticipated games of the year. By rights the stock price should not have fallen this far this fast if the game was doing well or expected to continue to sell. The only logical conclusion is that the reaction to ME3 has resulted in a lack of confidence in EA and its titles from investors, and that lack of confidence can only have come from the complains made by the gamers and the effects they must be having on sales.

Worse is that by not doing or saying anything BW/EA is only going to make this worse.

If EA/BW do nothing then they will have alienated a rather large chunk of their customer base. The same holds if they do produce an DLC to change the ending and charge for it. In both cases future sales are going to suffer badly, and investors are smart enough to realise this. Forbes said much the same thing in one of their articles yesterday, noting that the only way to salvage the situation in both the short and long term is to do exactly what we have been asking for, and make it a free DLC.

[Yuoaman]

Elanor1 wrote...

Was it posted before?

I'm conflicted about this - I'd welcome it... but it would still feel like a dick move.

[Ishiken]

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

unclee wrote...

Usual reminder (everyone's doing swell right now!): Let's keep the Bioware bashing to a minimum. Don't get discouraged by any of the articles coming about that put labels on us. If we stay civil and cool then we're more likely to be taken seriously.

So let's be cool! Everyone already is, but I figured we should keep saying it every few pages.

This, stay on track troopers. Holding the line doesn't just mean you shouldn't retreat, it also means don't charge ahead!

So... Hold the line!

No Zerg rush? 

Zerg rush implies charging with everything no?  What im saying is, when we charge let's do it together and for the right reasons!

I already charged with everything at the conduit in London, and that didn't turn out very well. 

Seriously though...Bioware still made 98% of a fantastic trilogy. They also made NWN, DA:O...hell I even kind of liked DA2. 

I have respectfully disagree that the ending is only worth 2% of the  whole game. A game's ending leaves a lasting impression on the player.

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Guys, is there something to the humming Vega has heard of on the Normandy? There are some rumors being slung around dealing with that.
Indoctrination?

[weatabix]

I think that the leak has the possibility of being true, I understand that people think it's fake because there is no screenshot. But then again what screenshot would you believe? Also it's probably fair to assume that this would be much better protected than some extra Multiplayer characters which most people knew were going to be released. I can only hope anyway.

Hold the line!

[sumo390]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

It seems GameFront is on our side.

Yeah them and a few others just gained some new readers

[Sunnyhat1]

Hydralysk wrote...

I've gotta say i'm with TSC on this one. Getting them to give us ending DLC in the first place is a tough enough task, asking for it for free would make it damn near impossible. At this point the $ from the DLC would perhaps let them save face enough to comply with us. It would suck, but to paraphrase a comment I read in one of those article "I'd be perfectly willing to throw $10 at EA just to make this ending go away."

This is assuming that it wasn't on purpose.

I'm still convinced it was. Not by BW but EA. Pushing BW into finishing Kinect and "From Ashes" (something sellable) rather than completing the ending.

[TcomJ]

Guys, watch this video and pay attention at 4:15 carefully. It's an AMAZING REVIEW!!!

http://social.biowar...5/index/9901826

[Yuoaman]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Guys, is there something to the humming Vega has heard of on the Normandy? There are some rumors being slung around dealing with that.
Indoctrination?

Well, that or the drive core.

[mulder1199]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Guys, is there something to the humming Vega has heard of on the Normandy? There are some rumors being slung around dealing with that.
Indoctrination?

you can nab a hamster somehwere down there....

[unclee]

Modifié par unclee, 14 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[PsylenceRD]

I don't normally talk much on the forums, I often find that they're filled with people who would be more inclined to troll or whine than I care for. Ironically in the course of the 48-hours since I have finished the game, I have been more inclined to troll, whine and rant at BioWare than I ever thought possible in the past. I, of course, did not read all of the last 1100+ pages but I see that there are many people like me. Particularly I would note that I have both donated to the charity and read several of the articles linked here( http://www.gamefront...s-are-right/6/  <-- Best one to describe my anguish over it all).

I still find myself scratching my head over the lack of response and curious of what exactly just happened. To say that I'm not sure which way is up is putting it mildly. All the faults I find in the ending(s) are listed in the article I previously linked to. I donated to the charity because I felt it was a good reason and to a good cause. I still don't know what BioWare was thinking when they released that ending, and I think that it would be a slap in the face if they released a DLC we had to pay for to get the actual endings. It's atrocious that they didn't even deliver something that was even passable for an ending. The idea that we have to "read into it" is ludicrous considering all the unanswered questions(Not to mention that presumably you kill all life in the known galaxy no matter your choice). So where does that leave us? Where does that leave a character I have invested more time than I probably should have? I don't know.

What I do know, is that I have more faith in this community and in the people on these forums. To see that so many are here, doing their best to stay civil when many I'm sure are more outraged than I. To all of you who are taking the higher road: You're saints in your endeavour. To all of you holding onto hope: Never give in, the light always draws closer. To all of you who have donated:
Hold The Line.

[Nilofeliu]

RomanDark wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

You have been indoctrinated.

If you do this, you can expect this kind of crap to become the norm for all games from now on.  Shell out $60 bucks for a game, get no ending, wait a month or three for a finished product and then shell out another ten bucks for it?  Really?  No, I already bought the game, and - here's the important part - you represented it as a complete game.  False advertising.  To say nothing of that "It's not like you have just Choices A, B or C" line.  Bioware trolled us all and you're falling for it.

If there's paid DLC to complete this half-butted ending, I won't be buying it, nor any other EA product, ever again.  And my swtor account will be closed as well.

Edit:  Why?  Because any company-customer relationship has to have a degree of trust, and if this is their next move, they will prove they cannot be trusted.  Not throwing good money after bad so they can burn me again later.

I agree that it's bad... but they've got me. I care more about the story than about practices in the gameing industry. It's selfish as hell, but there you go.

They've got me.

I feel the same way, I just want the ending that Mass Effect deserves. After that though I'd be done with Bioware, if this "supposed" DLC is free though I can forgive them, though I'd stil be wary of their future products

I can't. It will take a lot more than a free DLC to regain my trust. Besides, if I have to wait for some months to get my "real" ending, it will be the last time I will bother with Bioware/EA... I didn't pay for a half finished game, I paid for a full one and got ripped off.

[cruggero22]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

Menthro wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

From Gabe at Penny arcade:

Link.

Hey, the man didn't insult us....props.

if anything he supported us, he understands how you can get "worked up" over a "simple" story. Certainly better to hear than someone saying we're all complainers 

I’m just appalled with the lack of forethought and the
seemingly insensible amount of time they spent creating “various” endings. 

[FOX216BC]

If they do not give us better options (dlc) for the ending, than it looks bad for EA if they counting on making money out of future dlc's.

Also if this is bioware's way to prepare us for a new chapter in ME universe by ending a great trilogy like this is unacceptable.
It's not ending the trilogy, it's killing it.

And if mister hudson stands by "his" ending.
Than clearly Bioware made the game for themselves and not for the fans.


I hope this "the truht dlc" rumor is real and i can apologize to Bioware for all my comments.

[RussianOrc]

I remember some pictures that showed collectors on mass effect 3, maybe its not the ending.

[Ishiken]

Cybermortis wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

rethas wrote...

But the guy I was replying to stated EA's share went from $50 to what it is now which was simply a lie and spreading mis-information.

That was not exactly a lie, since EAs stocks dropped that hard in 2008 due to the financial crisis at this time, maybe he just made a mistake by using this numbers, so don't be too harsh on him, I don't think he did this on purpose.

Quote correct, I was in fact going off the figures that were listed on the stock-chart I linked to. This indicated that the highest price in the last 52 weeks was around $50 - I'd guess that this figure was probably around the time the MMO was released. (I can't imagine the share price being all that high after Dragon Age 2 was released)

The figures for the last two weeks or so indicate a starting figure around 17, rising to just over 25 on the day ME3 was released in the US. The figure fell to below 20 after three days - the same point where people were starting to finish the game. The figure jumped back above 25 when ME3 was released in Europe...only to fall again to between 16-17 over the next several days.

It can't be coincidence that the increase in stock prices appear at the exact time the game was released, and fall at the same time people were starting to finish the game and voice their displeasure. After all Mass Effect is/was Biowares main title and one of the most anticipated games of the year. By rights the stock price should not have fallen this far this fast if the game was doing well or expected to continue to sell. The only logical conclusion is that the reaction to ME3 has resulted in a lack of confidence in EA and its titles from investors, and that lack of confidence can only have come from the complains made by the gamers and the effects they must be having on sales.

Worse is that by not doing or saying anything BW/EA is only going to make this worse.

If EA/BW do nothing then they will have alienated a rather large chunk of their customer base. The same holds if they do produce an DLC to change the ending and charge for it. In both cases future sales are going to suffer badly, and investors are smart enough to realise this. Forbes said much the same thing in one of their articles yesterday, noting that the only way to salvage the situation in both the short and long term is to do exactly what we have been asking for, and make it a free DLC.

If they introduced a DLC with alternate ending and then charged the customer for it, it would become the next textbook example of "How to Completely Destroy Brand Loyalty 101". It's like going to a restaurant and the chef gave you a bad burger and then wanted to charge you extra for rejecting the bad burger. People might be willing to pay $10 so they feel better about the ending, but those same people will never ever buy from Bioware again. Making your customer feel cheated is the surefire way to insure that the customer will never pay anything else from you ever again.

[jerobolod]

Ishiken wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

unclee wrote...

Usual reminder (everyone's doing swell right now!): Let's keep the Bioware bashing to a minimum. Don't get discouraged by any of the articles coming about that put labels on us. If we stay civil and cool then we're more likely to be taken seriously.

So let's be cool! Everyone already is, but I figured we should keep saying it every few pages.

This, stay on track troopers. Holding the line doesn't just mean you shouldn't retreat, it also means don't charge ahead!

So... Hold the line!

No Zerg rush? 

Zerg rush implies charging with everything no?  What im saying is, when we charge let's do it together and for the right reasons!

I already charged with everything at the conduit in London, and that didn't turn out very well. 

Seriously though...Bioware still made 98% of a fantastic trilogy. They also made NWN, DA:O...hell I even kind of liked DA2. 

I have respectfully disagree that the ending is only worth 2% of the  whole game. A game's ending leaves a lasting impression on the player.

The ending is worth a hell of a lot more than 2% of the series. I was just making a rough estimation of the actual amount of time it takes up. And I'm bad at sums.

[Welsh Inferno]

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm conflicted about this - I'd welcome it... but it would still feel like a dick move.

Incredibly dickish move. But we all still want it badly... 

[XxSint0rasxX]

so there aren't any news yet referring to the endings? hmm I'm a bit sick of waiting till BW pleases us with an explanation.
Just hope it's not something like this interview with hudson, cause this was kinda rediculous....
Please, if anybody gets some news, post it ... I'm suffering

Modifié par XxSint0rasxX, 14 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

The ending and response is already "How to Completely Destroy Brand Loyalty 101."

What would normally be unwelcome would now be a relief. We already feel cheated.

[DiTHmaphacks]

Sunnyhat1 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

I've gotta say i'm with TSC on this one. Getting them to give us ending DLC in the first place is a tough enough task, asking for it for free would make it damn near impossible. At this point the $ from the DLC would perhaps let them save face enough to comply with us. It would suck, but to paraphrase a comment I read in one of those article "I'd be perfectly willing to throw $10 at EA just to make this ending go away."

This is assuming that it wasn't on purpose.

I'm still convinced it was. Not by BW but EA. Pushing BW into finishing Kinect and "From Ashes" (something sellable) rather than completing the ending.

Seriously??? You had to remind me of kinect support ??:< They lost time for Kinect support instead of doing proper ending or a proper Tali's face reveal :<

[bpzrn]

45,000 + with 90% voting "Endings Suck" 

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

[Jackal7713]

Ishiken wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

unclee wrote...

Usual reminder (everyone's doing swell right now!): Let's keep the Bioware bashing to a minimum. Don't get discouraged by any of the articles coming about that put labels on us. If we stay civil and cool then we're more likely to be taken seriously.

So let's be cool! Everyone already is, but I figured we should keep saying it every few pages.

This, stay on track troopers. Holding the line doesn't just mean you shouldn't retreat, it also means don't charge ahead!

So... Hold the line!

No Zerg rush? 

Zerg rush implies charging with everything no?  What im saying is, when we charge let's do it together and for the right reasons!

I already charged with everything at the conduit in London, and that didn't turn out very well. 

Seriously though...Bioware still made 98% of a fantastic trilogy. They also made NWN, DA:O...hell I even kind of liked DA2. 

I have respectfully disagree that the ending is only worth 2% of the  whole game. A game's ending leaves a lasting impression on the player.

Agreed. Its just not 2% of a single game, becuase it is ment to close out 3 titles.  The fact is the last ten minutes of ME3 killed replay value for 3 games.