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[Goodwood]

Hold the line!

[Alamandorious]

Hey folks, posting for someone who literally just created an account and is under the 24 no-post window:

confuciusFinn wrote:

3-14
I can't post because of the 24 hour activation limit, but I really want my voice to be heard, you have been one of the "leaders" of this protest and I was wondering if you could paste my message below online. I would truly appreciate it. I'll be on tomorrow to do my part to hold the line.



Hey all I never expected to even activate my account for these forums, but I am here to show my support and HOLD THE LINE! In lieu of our terrible media coverage from the mainstream gaming media outlets I have a wonderful suggestion: On Friday, so as to give time to organize, every with an account on those sites posts in a thread titled “Here Are Our Concerns with ME3’s Ending”—this is to be civil. In order to show solidarity I believe everyone should copy and paste the following statement in their reply to those threads, or some variation:

Our concerns are valid and we wish to convey them in a civil and mature manner, they are as follows:
1). We deeply apologize for the hateful messages that anyone has received. We never intended for anyone to be offended. That being said, we are outraged at how the mainstream journalists and several Bioware employees—you know who you are—belittle us at every turn, and have NEVER ONCE mentioned our true concern (point number 2)
2). Bioware, you marketed for five years that our decisions mattered, that they would lead to unique and vastly different outcomes. We poured hundreds of hours and dollars into this series believing whole-heartedly that our choices made a difference. It is explicitly stated in innumerable interviews, dev diaries, etc that our past choices from all three games will matter in the end. This is simply not the case with ME3, in fact nothing in the past three games mattered at all in the last ten minutes.
3). Video games as art seems to be a popular defense, however you are using an antiquated definition of art to describe video games. No painter has ever released a patch, a paid “expansion” to her/his work, no one has ever had to pay extra after sitting through the first three movements to listen to the fourth movement of a symphony, or pay for an extra chapter, or new character/development, in a book—yet these are common occurrences in video games today. Video games bring about a new definition of art, where the art can be tailored and changed at will; several Bioware employees and mainstream gaming journalists have tried to define video games as art but in static terms. Mass Effect is a fluid trilogy of art, there is nothing about it that lends it to be defined by traditional beliefs of what “art” is.
4). All that we want is a fair voice in the mainstream gaming news networks. We know that there are many staff members in your employ that feel the way we do. Let them speak! Again the main grievance we have (point number 2) has never been mentioned by IGN, Gamespot, G4TV, Destructoid, etc in any of their discussions of this issue in official articles and videos. We believe that this is the biggest offense of them all and demand an explanation for not taking our concerns seriously. We implore our critics to read through the mass effect 3 social forums and our 1000+ thread; 90% of the discussion is civil, sophisticated and if you actually spent time learning about the people who have insulted you may actually agree with us.
5). Finally, we would like to give a gracious thank you to all the media outlets who have given us fair coverage and taken our concerns seriously. We truly appreciate the effort.

HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par Alamandorious, 14 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[Menthro]

PsylenceRD wrote...

I don't normally talk much on the forums, I often find that they're filled with people who would be more inclined to troll or whine than I care for. Ironically in the course of the 48-hours since I have finished the game, I have been more inclined to troll, whine and rant at BioWare than I ever thought possible in the past. I, of course, did not read all of the last 1100+ pages but I see that there are many people like me. Particularly I would note that I have both donated to the charity and read several of the articles linked here( http://www.gamefront...s-are-right/6/  <-- Best one to describe my anguish over it all).

I still find myself scratching my head over the lack of response and curious of what exactly just happened. To say that I'm not sure which way is up is putting it mildly. All the faults I find in the ending(s) are listed in the article I previously linked to. I donated to the charity because I felt it was a good reason and to a good cause. I still don't know what BioWare was thinking when they released that ending, and I think that it would be a slap in the face if they released a DLC we had to pay for to get the actual endings. It's atrocious that they didn't even deliver something that was even passable for an ending. The idea that we have to "read into it" is ludicrous considering all the unanswered questions(Not to mention that presumably you kill all life in the known galaxy no matter your choice). So where does that leave us? Where does that leave a character I have invested more time than I probably should have? I don't know.

What I do know, is that I have more faith in this community and in the people on these forums. To see that so many are here, doing their best to stay civil when many I'm sure are more outraged than I. To all of you who are taking the higher road: You're saints in your endeavour. To all of you holding onto hope: Never give in, the light always draws closer. To all of you who have donated:
Hold The Line.

Welcome, arts and crafts are over there to make your sign, food buffet sould arrive around 4ish, chairs are behind me, and Hold the LINE!

[Edje Edgar]

Have we won yet?

[RomanDark]

So, I'm really hoping the "leaked DLC" thing is true. Since this all began and I heard about the indoctrination theory I couldn't help but think Bioware was up to something and I'd like to hold onto the smallest bit of faith in the company, because for me, they were the last hope for video games after all my other favorite franchise I either grew out of or they moved away from what they once were. I want to refuse to believe they would end their flagship title like this especially after the failure of Dragon Age 2 and the reportedly poor performance of SWTOR. I still support this movement but I'd feel a little bad for all the bad press they're getting if it turns out they had a free ending on they way, because after all, of the hundreds of hours I played in the Mass Effect universe, there was only 10 minutes that I hated (which if the indoctrinaton theory is correct I will love those 10 minutes as they are truly remarkable.)

[Matt_gekko88]

RussianOrc wrote...

I remember some pictures that showed collectors on mass effect 3, maybe its not the ending.

Could be taken from the "From Ashes"-DLC.

[Maike91]

RussianOrc wrote...

I remember some pictures that showed collectors on mass effect 3, maybe its not the ending.

They are in Javik's flashbacks

[Yuoaman]

Edje Edgar wrote...

Have we won yet?

If that free DLC turns out to be true and Bioware admits it, then I'll consider it a win.

[Menthro]

Goodwood wrote...

Hold the line!

Never have I found a more approriate usage for this video

[Makatak]

Look, any expert storyteller will tell you that the most important 10 minutes of any story, of any considerable length, are the first five minutes, and the last five minutes. Everything in between is filler. In novels, you need that opening paragraph to be gripping enough to reel in the audience for the ride. In a game, that tutorial mission better have something that gets players going. And then, you'd better wrap it up neatly.

Bioware could've written the most amazing story since the Bible, and capped it off as they did, and we would rail about it, maybe even moreso, because no matter the middle, the last 5 minutes are what people will walk away singing.

They should have considered this when writing.

[Rheinlandman]

FOX216BC wrote...

If they do not give us better options (dlc) for the ending, than it looks bad for EA if they counting on making money out of future dlc's.

Also if this is bioware's way to prepare us for a new chapter in ME universe by ending a great trilogy like this is unacceptable.
It's not ending the trilogy, it's killing it.

And if mister hudson stands by "his" ending.
Than clearly Bioware made the game for themselves and not for the fans.


I hope this "the truht dlc" rumor is real and i can apologize to Bioware for all my comments.

If it true don't apologize, make sure they understand this kind of marketing stunt is totes uncool.

[Matt_gekko88]

Yuoaman wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

Have we won yet?

If that free DLC turns out to be true and Bioware admits it, then I'll consider it a win.

If we have to wait another 3 months it will be more like a Pyrrhic victory

[Ampmaster]

MeldarthX wrote...

Guys and Gals; I've been thinking.

Do you remember the tweet yesterday from masseffec3; asking a few if they've finished masseffect3 - after they'd said something about the ending. This is a guess; but I'm guess none of us have.......period.......

I mean it's possible, but it would go down as the biggest dick move in marketing history

xAmilli0n wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

From Gabe at Penny arcade:

Link.

Well, at least it looks like he can relate with us.  Don't know if that does much good.

He's thinking about it, putting it into a context he can understand and saying he gets it. That's more then most of our detractors.

[Joel2211]

I think they did an outstanding job but me personally I wanted more from the ending maybe alittle more closer or a last battle speech something to make me feel like we won....like the movie independance day the world in shambles the ships burning in the background and a major victory for humanity (the galaxy in ME3) while the main characters walk in the desert toward their welcoming party, other than that though I still enjoyed the game.

[xPandax]

Goodwood wrote...

Hold the line!

couldn't fit better!

[jerobolod]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Ishiken wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

jerobolod wrote...

Benirus wrote...

unclee wrote...

Usual reminder (everyone's doing swell right now!): Let's keep the Bioware bashing to a minimum. Don't get discouraged by any of the articles coming about that put labels on us. If we stay civil and cool then we're more likely to be taken seriously.

So let's be cool! Everyone already is, but I figured we should keep saying it every few pages.

This, stay on track troopers. Holding the line doesn't just mean you shouldn't retreat, it also means don't charge ahead!

So... Hold the line!

No Zerg rush? 

Zerg rush implies charging with everything no?  What im saying is, when we charge let's do it together and for the right reasons!

I already charged with everything at the conduit in London, and that didn't turn out very well. 

Seriously though...Bioware still made 98% of a fantastic trilogy. They also made NWN, DA:O...hell I even kind of liked DA2. 

I have respectfully disagree that the ending is only worth 2% of the  whole game. A game's ending leaves a lasting impression on the player.

Agreed. Its just not 2% of a single game, becuase it is ment to close out 3 titles.  The fact is the last ten minutes of ME3 killed replay value for 3 games.

I completely agree. The ending wrecked the entire trilogy for me too and wrought quite a bit of emotional devestation. But as I said above the 2% I mentioned was literal. The games were fantastic right up until the last ten minutes. And then it was completely ruined.

[sumo390]

Alamandorious wrote...

Hey folks, posting for someone who literally just created an account and is under the 24 no-post window:

confuciusFinn wrote:

3-14
I can't post because of the 24 hour activation limit, but I really want my voice to be heard, you have been one of the "leaders" of this protest and I was wondering if you could paste my message below online. I would truly appreciate it. I'll be on tomorrow to do my part to hold the line.



Hey all I never expected to even activate my account for these forums, but I am here to show my support and HOLD THE LINE! In lieu of our terrible media coverage from the mainstream gaming media outlets I have a wonderful suggestion: On Friday, so as to give time to organize, every with an account on those sites posts in a thread titled “Here Are Our Concerns with ME3’s Ending”—this is to be civil. In order to show solidarity I believe everyone should copy and paste the following statement in their reply to those threads, or some variation:

Our concerns are valid and we wish to convey them in a civil and mature manner, they are as follows:
1). We deeply apologize for the hateful messages that anyone has received. We never intended for anyone to be offended. That being said, we are outraged at how the mainstream journalists and several Bioware employees—you know who you are—belittle us at every turn, and have NEVER ONCE mentioned our true concern (point number 2)
2). Bioware, you marketed for five years that our decisions mattered, that they would lead to unique and vastly different outcomes. We poured hundreds of hours and dollars into this series believing whole-heartedly that our choices made a difference. It is explicitly stated in innumerable interviews, dev diaries, etc that our past choices from all three games will matter in the end. This is simply not the case with ME3, in fact nothing in the past three games mattered at all in the last ten minutes.
3). Video games as art seems to be a popular defense, however you are using an antiquated definition of art to describe video games. No painter has ever released a patch, a paid “expansion” to her/his work, no one has ever had to pay extra after sitting through the first three movements to listen to the fourth movement of a symphony, or pay for an extra chapter, or new character/development, in a book—yet these are common occurrences in video games today. Video games bring about a new definition of art, where the art can be tailored and changed at will; several Bioware employees and mainstream gaming journalists have tried to define video games as art but in static terms. Mass Effect is a fluid trilogy of art, there is nothing about it that lends it to be defined by traditional beliefs of what “art” is.
4). All that we want is a fair voice in the mainstream gaming news networks. We know that there are many staff members in your employ that feel the way we do. Let them speak! Again the main grievance we have (point number 2) has never been mentioned by IGN, Gamespot, G4TV, Destructoid, etc in any of their discussions of this issue in official articles and videos. We believe that this is the biggest offense of them all and demand an explanation for not taking our concerns seriously. We implore our critics to read through the mass effect 3 social forums and our 1000+ thread; 90% of the discussion is civil, sophisticated and if you actually spent time learning about the people who have insulted you may actually agree with us.
5). Finally, we would like to give a gracious thank you to all the media outlets who have given us fair coverage and taken our concerns seriously. We truly appreciate the effort.

HOLD THE LINE!

Advanced welcome to our new addition once their 24 hours have passed

[Phoenix-Warden]

Hello guys, any news here?

[RussianOrc]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

I remember some pictures that showed collectors on mass effect 3, maybe its not the ending.

Could be taken from the "From Ashes"-DLC.

Yeah...i haven't brought that =(

[Sunnyhat1]

BTW i think this movement has already scored a huuuge victory.

Maybe BW/EA intended a polarized ending and expected this in some form. Because they knew it would give the game even more attention (Bad press = still press)

But it works both ways. The fact that prominent game critics and magazines are reporting about us and actually "take sides" in the issue is amazing! Regardless of wether they like us or hate us. It's attention to the cause.

EA just can't be happy about that.

Hold The Line!

Modifié par Sunnyhat1, 14 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[Yuoaman]

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

Have we won yet?

If that free DLC turns out to be true and Bioware admits it, then I'll consider it a win.

If we have to wait another 3 months it will be more like a Pyrrhic victory

Better than no win at all, sadly.

[RatedRRachel]

Makatak wrote...

Look, any expert storyteller will tell you that the most important 10 minutes of any story, of any considerable length, are the first five minutes, and the last five minutes. Everything in between is filler. In novels, you need that opening paragraph to be gripping enough to reel in the audience for the ride. In a game, that tutorial mission better have something that gets players going. And then, you'd better wrap it up neatly.

Bioware could've written the most amazing story since the Bible, and capped it off as they did, and we would rail about it, maybe even moreso, because no matter the middle, the last 5 minutes are what people will walk away singing.

They should have considered this when writing.

Even if the ending might not be considered the most "important" by all (like those who say 'it's the journey, not the destination'), it normally will be one of the most lasting images of the work. I don't want my lasting memories of this series to be those endings. My last thoughts of some of my favorite imaginary characters are either taling to a Star-Child or stranded on an unknown planet. 

[LordHelfort]

Who thinks we can take that poll to 100 000 votes? Anyone? Its not impossible thats for sure.

The God-Child said we could do it.

[Elanor]

Rheinlandman wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

If they do not give us better options (dlc) for the ending, than it looks bad for EA if they counting on making money out of future dlc's.

Also if this is bioware's way to prepare us for a new chapter in ME universe by ending a great trilogy like this is unacceptable.
It's not ending the trilogy, it's killing it.

And if mister hudson stands by "his" ending.
Than clearly Bioware made the game for themselves and not for the fans.


I hope this "the truht dlc" rumor is real and i can apologize to Bioware for all my comments.

If it true don't apologize, make sure they understand this kind of marketing stunt is totes uncool.

Their actions will be remeber for years. They'll beter fix it. 

Modifié par Elanor1, 14 mars 2012 - 06:19 .

[kongenial]

Yuoaman wrote...

Matt_gekko88 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Edje Edgar wrote...

Have we won yet?

If that free DLC turns out to be true and Bioware admits it, then I'll consider it a win.

If we have to wait another 3 months it will be more like a Pyrrhic victory

Better than no win at all, sadly.

Except that I am still doubtful. That would be only a won battle not a won war.

It is still and then would be still a highly questionable practice and it don't think it will get better. 

Modifié par kongenial, 14 mars 2012 - 06:18 .