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tompuddefoot wrote...

OK everyone,

Just a quick question (well two).

1) My friend has asked me if he should buy ME3. I know he will take my advice. Should I tell him to not buy it because of the ending? If so he will miss what was otherwise an amazing game.

2) How many of you think Bioware has something up its sleve I.E the dream/indoc theory?
I wouldnt mind if they kept stum over it because it wasnt quite finish the game in time and so plan on sending it out over a DLC.

Hold the line my people!


As much as I have been raging hard against the abominable ending, I would recomend your friend buying it. Just be sure to tell him to really take his time, and hopefully some news will be out on possible dlc to fix this tragic monstrosity before your friend finds it in the last 10 minutes of the game.

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Rheinlandman wrote...

Multiple times it has been said that the ME3 for consoles is significantly larger than the PC dvds.

Is this compression or has no one bothered to data mine the discs for hints at upcoming DLC assets they pre-loaded before it hit gold?


It's just dummy files to fill the disk.

#28203
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Never thought I'd join a protest against a product of someone's creativity that I've bought of my own will, but... Hold the line. I really need to get this trilogy end in another way.

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cruggero22 wrote...

So... when ME3 is sold worldwide tomorrow, what's the outcome? I say Earth falls off its rotational axis with grief, and hopelessly drifts toward the Sun. It doesn't say one word along the way, silent and catatonic.


Still a better ending than ME3

:D

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tompuddefoot wrote...

OK everyone,

Just a quick question (well two).

1) My friend has asked me if he should buy ME3. I know he will take my advice. Should I tell him to not buy it because of the ending? If so he will miss what was otherwise an amazing game.

2) How many of you think Bioware has something up its sleve I.E the dream/indoc theory?
I wouldnt mind if they kept stum over it because it wasnt quite finish the game in time and so plan on sending it out over a DLC.

Hold the line my people!


1) Tell him to wait.  He'll lose nothing by waiting, and he might gain a lower price.  If nothing happens, it'll be up to him: 97% of the game is fantastic and personally, I'm loving the multiplayer co-op.  At a lower price down the road, sure, it's worth it, especially since he won't be surprised by the ending.  And who knows?  In a week you might be saying YES BUY IT NOW THEY FIXED IT!  /crossfinger

2) Story-wise, i have a sort of hybrid ID theory of my own.  tl;dr Shepard is the Catalyst and has been all along.  The A B C choices are not "what button to push to stop the reapers now" but actually "what sort of future do you choose"  The whole sequence after the beam is entirely in Shep's head.  I also like the ID theory that states the ABC choice is the culmination of resisting, or giving in, to 3 years (ingame) of exposure to Indoctrination.

Hold the line!

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Some were asking about the DLC...

Link again.

http://masseffect.wi...LC_Revealed!!!!

Hold the line!

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spacefiddle wrote...

Eghh... so, because of this leak they decide to punish us all with the half-brained trick?  That's bad business practice: don't take my word for it, listen to Forbes.  It also shows a complete lack of insight on their own customers, if this is a surprise to them, OR, they knew it would upset people and did it anyway?  Like, how dare you read about leaked content, take that you bastard customers?  Really?

And Casey?  Please, stop using the BS spin words.  You're more intelligent than that, and so are we.

Unpopular != controversial
Everyone agreees that it's horribad != polarizing

"You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means."


I'd much rather believe they weren't able to finish in time so they kept it under wraps, hopefully for a nice surprise later on. I mean, they knew since November that fans didn't like the endings, so they can't be too surprised by what's going on now (though they probably weren't expecting this movement) But it's all really a matter of time and since Bioware has yet to make any official statements we can't really tell what is going on.

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Rheinlandman wrote...

Multiple times it has been said that the ME3 for consoles is significantly larger than the PC dvds.

Is this compression or has no one bothered to data mine the discs for hints at upcoming DLC assets they pre-loaded before it hit gold?


I've got the PS3 version and it weighed in at 14 gigabytes. A friend  downloaded it for the pc and it weighed in at 18 megabytes..  there seems to be more on the pc..

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So, in my first ever post, I made a mistake of posting a standalone about the thoughts about the ending and the game as itself, so I figured wth, I'll just repost it in here and see if anyone else, like me, hates hating the ending.

Yup, this is my first post, and yup, I have lurked for a long time but never really felt the need to post, but wanted to take some time to put my thoughts down somewhere with people who probably will understand.

I hated the ending. I am not going to spend countless amounts of time going into why. Others have posted in great amounts of text and thousands of pages here. For me, the best summation is the article from Gamefront that has been posted and reposted and so that's all I'm going to say about that part.

But like my subject says, I hate the fact that I hate the ending. And I feel this way because this game was a true masterpiece, in almost every facet.

On the day I was getting ready to finish the game, I posted the following messages on Twitter to one of the writers I'd tweeted to often, not expecting to to get a reply and not getting one, but wanting to share my feeling:

'at London. Saying good bye to team before final push. Scene with ash was amazing but for some reason when shep says 'good bye garrus' my allergies got very very bad. Amazing game. So nervous and excited. Off to save earth.'

Right until that moment, and then for awhile after that, this game had been utterly amazing to me. For some many reasons.

1> The voice acting. There are not enough words that can describe the amazing work, depth and life that this group of actors brought to this game. We wouldn't have loved these characters so much that we cried and grieved over losing them, or the prospect of losing them, without this dedicated, special group of actors who also truly loved the characters they were bringing to life.

2> The drama. So many examples. When I cured the genophage in the game, and saw the various reactions, mail messages and joy at this resolution, I felt the joy right along with it. When peace was agreed to between the Quarians and the Geth, I actually teared up at this. I was never a Tali fan to be honest, but this was special, this was amazing.

3> The hurt. Yes, this game hurt. The prayer Thane says before he dies. Mordin, singing with joy as his death claims him. Anderson saying 'I'm proud of you' before dying. Each and every time I went out with characters I cared about, I was afraid and felt the tension of the possibility that at any time we could lose someone. The same I felt watching Lost, or reading Harry Potter.

4> Shepard loses. No, I am not speaking about the end. The most stark example of this to me was Thessia. Up until this point, what Shepard wanted, Shepard got, through most of 3 games and countless hours of play. When Shepard leaps over the row of chairs in the cut scene to settle things with with Kai Leng, I was pumped! And then the godforsaken gunship destroys the floor and Kai Leng gets away, with the Asari commandos desperately pleading to know if their sacrifice mattered as their planet is destroyed around them in an instant... holy sh*t. It punched me in the gut. It hurt. Seeing the incredible reactions of Liara and Shepard on the Normandy afterward... it was perhaps, to me, the series hitting it's height, even when the characters were at an incredible low.

5> Walking around. For those of us who loved the characters and the series so much, just walking around and listening to your crew was a true joy. You learned so much, you laughed, you had great conversations, and you got so much more time and knowledge of these characters you had known. As the game went along, I found myself going to the shuttle bay less and less not because Cortez and James weren't good characters, because they were, but because they were not old characters, ones who had been around for the entire series. I wasn't going to miss them because I hadn't spent countless hours with them in game play.

6> They pulled no punches. I had no inclinations that this game was going to end with a happy, your entire squad lives type of ending. I expected Shepard to die. To me, it was the in many ways the only way for Mass Effect as we know it to end. Did I want him to die? Hell no. I haven't loved a character as much since Jack Bauer on 24. Both of them, I expected the same. They were tragic heroes. For too long the world/galaxy fought against them no matter how many times they were proven right. When Shepard collapses when Hackett asks him to do more, I waited, and waited, and waited for Garrus and Liara to come up, bloodied and hurt like Shepard, but there for Shepard because there was no way they were going to not be there, to complete the final step.

7> The moments. Liara had two great moments among many, one when in Shepard's cabin they went over the device she was making with the history of the galaxy. Garrus and Shepard atop the Presidium. All of the long good byes in London. The deaths mentioned above. Joker standing and saluting Shepard. Too many to go on.

I loved this game. I absolutely loved this game. Slowly, but surely, I am coming around to picking it up and replaying it, of playing MP. Because these are our last moments with a universe and characters that we love. It is why it is so hard to feel such hatred at everything that happened from the moment that platform on the Citadel lifted up, such a small but unbelieveably important and most importantly, the final moments of a masterpiece that had wrung me out to dry and made me want to continue on.

Anyway, that's my story. I hope we do get change. But if we don't, when I play through I may just stop when I hit the Citadel. Because that's how I want to remember Shepard, and Mass Effect.

Modifié par PrimeMN, 14 mars 2012 - 06:37 .


#28210
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Yeah, even if we don't get anything from Bioware, the charity will have made it worth it. I'm so glad to have been a part of this.

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Rheinlandman wrote...

Multiple times it has been said that the ME3 for consoles is significantly larger than the PC dvds.

Is this compression or has no one bothered to data mine the discs for hints at upcoming DLC assets they pre-loaded before it hit gold?


I believe the 360 disk has more language files on it than the PC version. From what I understand, Origin only installs the language files you need.

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tompuddefoot wrote...

OK everyone,

Just a quick question (well two).

1) My friend has asked me if he should buy ME3. I know he will take my advice. Should I tell him to not buy it because of the ending? If so he will miss what was otherwise an amazing game.

2) How many of you think Bioware has something up its sleve I.E the dream/indoc theory?
I wouldnt mind if they kept stum over it because it wasnt quite finish the game in time and so plan on sending it out over a DLC.

Hold the line my people!


Tell him to wait a little longer. First of this mess might get sorted out and if it doesn't the price might drop further. win-win

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tompuddefoot wrote...

OK everyone,

Just a quick question (well two).

1) My friend has asked me if he should buy ME3. I know he will take my advice. Should I tell him to not buy it because of the ending? If so he will miss what was otherwise an amazing game.

2) How many of you think Bioware has something up its sleve I.E the dream/indoc theory?
I wouldnt mind if they kept stum over it because it wasnt quite finish the game in time and so plan on sending it out over a DLC.

Hold the line my people!


1) Well 95% of the game is great and worth playing, just warn him that the ending will be disapointing at best and let him play it. Who knows, maybe your friend is one of the people who is able to like the ending in which case I envy him.

2) I'm honestly not sure what Bioware is thinking at this moment, which is kinda the reason we are scrambling for any scrap of news. At this point I'd lean towards pessimism more than optimism, but as long as we hold the line there is hope.

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PKchu wrote...

"1) My friend has asked me if he should buy ME3. I know he will take my advice. Should I tell him to not buy it because of the ending? If so he will miss what was otherwise an amazing game."

If he liked ME1/2, and has an import, the answer is yes: as horrible as the end is, it's worth completing the saga.

If it'd be their first game or they don't care about ME, no.


My answer to that question is the complete opposite :)

If he is just a casual gamer or new to the series and not too interested in the story, he could buy (rent? borrow?) it, the gameplay itself is quite good, even the multiplayer may entertain him for a few hours

If he liked ME 1&2 and even has imports tell him to avoid this game at all cost, not only will ME3 be disappointing to him, it will ruin the whole series for him.

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Darkwingduck wrote...

Not sure if someone has pointed this out yet but Destructoid is asking for opinions on ME3's ending

http://www.destructo...ng-223810.phtml

The comments section there is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.  Don't bother, it's a troll-fest.  Well.  Don't bother getting caught up in the nonsense, anyway: if you want, please adhere to the etiquette we've agreed upon here and post a short, clear comment on how you feel and why.  Expect to be trolled.  Don't bother reading responses.

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spacefiddle wrote...

RomanDark wrote...

Rheinlandman wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

If they do not give us better options (dlc) for the ending, than it looks bad for EA if they counting on making money out of future dlc's.

Also if this is bioware's way to prepare us for a new chapter in ME universe by ending a great trilogy like this is unacceptable.
It's not ending the trilogy, it's killing it.

And if mister hudson stands by "his" ending.
Than clearly Bioware made the game for themselves and not for the fans.


I hope this "the truht dlc" rumor is real and i can apologize to Bioware for all my comments.


If it true don't apologize, make sure they understand this kind of marketing stunt is totes uncool.


Perhaps it wasn't marketing, "the leak" says that this dlc was a reaction to the leaked script from November, since ME3 was already pushed to March at that point how would it look if they pushed it back again to geth The Truth out on time. If it truly is them fixing the ending based on Fan reactions to the leaked script then I can get over it

Eghh... so, because of this leak they decide to punish us all with the half-brained trick?  That's bad business practice: don't take my word for it, listen to Forbes.  It also shows a complete lack of insight on their own customers, if this is a surprise to them, OR, they knew it would upset people and did it anyway?  Like, how dare you read about leaked content, take that you bastard customers?  Really?

And Casey?  Please, stop using the BS spin words.  You're more intelligent than that, and so are we.

Unpopular != controversial
Everyone agreees that it's horribad != polarizing

"You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means."

You have to wonder if Casy took some classes on spining statements.

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My reply;

Alright...so I guess if you were sold a car, a car that was exalted by critics, that the designers had said 'would be the car that ties in all the improvements from previous models into a complete vehicle', and you complained about it when it arrived without a windshield that you, by your logic, should be accused of being petulent and feeling entitled.

Wow.

Seriously? We were told that everything we did mattered, that everything we did was taken into account...and we ended up with a choice of 'red, green, or blue', all of which discard everything we'd done until that point.

Feeling entitled? Not really. Feeling disappointed and cheated? Highly.

To this:

http://www.escapistm...-Books#14067114

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Replace car with ending and that is exactly how bioware needs to approach this with us.

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spacefiddle wrote...

Darkwingduck wrote...

Not sure if someone has pointed this out yet but Destructoid is asking for opinions on ME3's ending

http://www.destructo...ng-223810.phtml

The comments section there is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.  Don't bother, it's a troll-fest.  Well.  Don't bother getting caught up in the nonsense, anyway: if you want, please adhere to the etiquette we've agreed upon here and post a short, clear comment on how you feel and why.  Expect to be trolled.  Don't bother reading responses.

  ^This

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press
http://playftw.com/m...5k-for-charity/

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vboy23 wrote...

Still a better ending than ME3

:D

I've never seen an actual meme being born before.  This is going to end up being the next "arrow to the knee."  Is that the kind of talking about you wanted, Casey?  I'm going to keep ribbing you until you tell us what you're really thinking and stop with the PR spin.

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RussianOrc wrote...

press
http://playftw.com/m...5k-for-charity/

Thanks Admiral ^_^ how do you keep digging up these?

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PrimeMN wrote...

So, in my first ever post, I made a mistake of posting a standalone about the thoughts about the ending and the game as itself, so I figured wth, I'll just repost it in here and see if anyone else, like me, hates hating the ending.

Yup, this is my first post, and yup, I have lurked for a long time but never really felt the need to post, but wanted to take some time to put my thoughts down somewhere with people who probably will understand.

I hated the ending. I am not going to spend countless amounts of time going into why. Others have posted in great amounts of text and thousands of pages here. For me, the best summation is the article from Gamefront that has been posted and reposted and so that's all I'm going to say about that part.

But like my subject says, I hate the fact that I hate the ending. And I feel this way because this game was a true masterpiece, in almost every facet.

On the day I was getting ready to finish the game, I posted the following messages on Twitter to one of the writers I'd tweeted to often, not expecting to to get a reply and not getting one, but wanting to share my feeling:

'at London. Saying good bye to team before final push. Scene with ash was amazing but for some reason when shep says 'good bye garrus' my allergies got very very bad. Amazing game. So nervous and excited. Off to save earth.'

Right until that moment, and then for awhile after that, this game had been utterly amazing to me. For some many reasons.

1> The voice acting. There are not enough words that can describe the amazing work, depth and life that this group of actors brought to this game. We wouldn't have loved these characters so much that we cried and grieved over losing them, or the prospect of losing them, without this dedicated, special group of actors who also truly loved the characters they were bringing to life.

2> The drama. So many examples. When I cured the genophage in the game, and saw the various reactions, mail messages and joy at this resolution, I felt the joy right along with it. When peace was agreed to between the Quarians and the Geth, I actually teared up at this. I was never a Tali fan to be honest, but this was special, this was amazing.

3> The hurt. Yes, this game hurt. The prayer Thane says before he dies. Mordin, singing with joy as his death claims him. Anderson saying 'I'm proud of you' before dying. Each and every time I went out with characters I cared about, I was afraid and felt the tension of the possibility that at any time we could lose someone. The same I felt watching Lost, or reading Harry Potter.

4> Shepard loses. No, I am not speaking about the end. The most stark example of this to me was Thessia. Up until this point, what Shepard wanted, Shepard got, through most of 3 games and countless hours of play. When Shepard leaps over the row of chairs in the cut scene to settle things with with Kai Leng, I was pumped! And then the godforsaken gunship destroys the floor and Kai Leng gets away, with the Asari commandos desperately pleading to know if their sacrifice mattered as their planet is destroyed around them in an instant... holy sh*t. It punched me in the gut. It hurt. Seeing the incredible reactions of Liara and Shepard on the Normandy afterward... it was perhaps, to me, the series hitting it's height, even when the characters were at an incredible low.

5> Walking around. For those of us who loved the characters and the series so much, just walking around and listening to your crew was a true joy. You learned so much, you laughed, you had great conversations, and you got so much more time and knowledge of these characters you had known. As the game went along, I found myself going to the shuttle bay less and less not because Cortez and James weren't good characters, because they were, but because they were not old characters, ones who had been around for the entire series. I wasn't going to miss them because I hadn't spent countless hours with them in game play.

6> They pulled no punches. I had no inclinations that this game was going to end with a happy, your entire squad lives type of ending. I expected Shepard to die. To me, it was the in many ways the only way for Mass Effect as we know it to end. Did I want him to die? Hell no. I haven't loved a character as much since Jack Bauer on 24. Both of them, I expected the same. They were tragic heroes. For too long the world/galaxy fought against them no matter how many times they were proven right. When Shepard collapses when Hackett asks him to do more, I waited, and waited, and waited for Garrus and Liara to come up, bloodied and hurt like Shepard, but there for Shepard because there was no way they were going to not be there, to complete the final step.

7> The moments. Liara had two great moments among many, one when in Shepard's cabin they went over the device she was making with the history of the galaxy. Garrus and Shepard atop the Presidium. All of the long good byes in London. The deaths mentioned above. Joker standing and saluting Shepard. Too many to go on.

I loved this game. I absolutely loved this game. Slowly, but surely, I am coming around to picking it up and replaying it, of playing MP. Because these are our last moments with a universe and characters that we love. It is why it is so hard to feel such hatred at everything that happened from the moment that platform on the Citadel lifted up, such a small but unbelieveably important and most importantly, the final moments of a masterpiece that had wrung me out to dry and made me want to continue on.

Anyway, that's my story. I hope we do get change. But if we don't, when I play through I may just stop when I hit the Citadel. Because that's how I want to remember Shepard, and Mass Effect.

Well said.
You are not alone.

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PrimeMN wrote...
-snip-
I loved this game. I absolutely loved this game. Slowly, but surely, I am coming around to picking it up and replaying it, of playing MP. Because these are our last moments with a universe and characters that we love. It is why it is so hard to feel such hatred at everything that happened from the moment that platform on the Citadel lifted up, such a small but unbelieveably important and most importantly, the final moments of a masterpiece that had wrung me out to dry and made me want to continue on.

Anyway, that's my story. I hope we do get change. But if we don't, when I play through I may just stop when I hit the Citadel. Because that's how I want to remember Shepard, and Mass Effect.


Exactly how I feel. My Shepard either died trying to get to the beam, or on the Citadel. Whatever happens after that his story finished there. 

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This... damn. This whole indoctrination theory just makes sense. Even if it is true, it is bull**** to sell an unfinished game.