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[RussianOrc]

and more press http://www.gamespot....charity-6366183

[Yuoaman]

PrimeMN wrote...

So, in my first ever post, I made a mistake of posting a standalone about the thoughts about the ending and the game as itself, so I figured wth, I'll just repost it in here and see if anyone else, like me, hates hating the ending.

Yup, this is my first post, and yup, I have lurked for a long time but never really felt the need to post, but wanted to take some time to put my thoughts down somewhere with people who probably will understand.

I hated the ending. I am not going to spend countless amounts of time going into why. Others have posted in great amounts of text and thousands of pages here. For me, the best summation is the article from Gamefront that has been posted and reposted and so that's all I'm going to say about that part.

But like my subject says, I hate the fact that I hate the ending. And I feel this way because this game was a true masterpiece, in almost every facet.

On the day I was getting ready to finish the game, I posted the following messages on Twitter to one of the writers I'd tweeted to often, not expecting to to get a reply and not getting one, but wanting to share my feeling:

'at London. Saying good bye to team before final push. Scene with ash was amazing but for some reason when shep says 'good bye garrus' my allergies got very very bad. Amazing game. So nervous and excited. Off to save earth.'

Right until that moment, and then for awhile after that, this game had been utterly amazing to me. For some many reasons.

1> The voice acting. There are not enough words that can describe the amazing work, depth and life that this group of actors brought to this game. We wouldn't have loved these characters so much that we cried and grieved over losing them, or the prospect of losing them, without this dedicated, special group of actors who also truly loved the characters they were bringing to life.

2> The drama. So many examples. When I cured the genophage in the game, and saw the various reactions, mail messages and joy at this resolution, I felt the joy right along with it. When peace was agreed to between the Quarians and the Geth, I actually teared up at this. I was never a Tali fan to be honest, but this was special, this was amazing.

3> The hurt. Yes, this game hurt. The prayer Thane says before he dies. Mordin, singing with joy as his death claims him. Anderson saying 'I'm proud of you' before dying. Each and every time I went out with characters I cared about, I was afraid and felt the tension of the possibility that at any time we could lose someone. The same I felt watching Lost, or reading Harry Potter.

4> Shepard loses. No, I am not speaking about the end. The most stark example of this to me was Thessia. Up until this point, what Shepard wanted, Shepard got, through most of 3 games and countless hours of play. When Shepard leaps over the row of chairs in the cut scene to settle things with with Kai Leng, I was pumped! And then the godforsaken gunship destroys the floor and Kai Leng gets away, with the Asari commandos desperately pleading to know if their sacrifice mattered as their planet is destroyed around them in an instant... holy sh*t. It punched me in the gut. It hurt. Seeing the incredible reactions of Liara and Shepard on the Normandy afterward... it was perhaps, to me, the series hitting it's height, even when the characters were at an incredible low.

5> Walking around. For those of us who loved the characters and the series so much, just walking around and listening to your crew was a true joy. You learned so much, you laughed, you had great conversations, and you got so much more time and knowledge of these characters you had known. As the game went along, I found myself going to the shuttle bay less and less not because Cortez and James weren't good characters, because they were, but because they were not old characters, ones who had been around for the entire series. I wasn't going to miss them because I hadn't spent countless hours with them in game play.

6> They pulled no punches. I had no inclinations that this game was going to end with a happy, your entire squad lives type of ending. I expected Shepard to die. To me, it was the in many ways the only way for Mass Effect as we know it to end. Did I want him to die? Hell no. I haven't loved a character as much since Jack Bauer on 24. Both of them, I expected the same. They were tragic heroes. For too long the world/galaxy fought against them no matter how many times they were proven right. When Shepard collapses when Hackett asks him to do more, I waited, and waited, and waited for Garrus and Liara to come up, bloodied and hurt like Shepard, but there for Shepard because there was no way they were going to not be there, to complete the final step.

7> The moments. Liara had two great moments among many, one when in Shepard's cabin they went over the device she was making with the history of the galaxy. Garrus and Shepard atop the Presidium. All of the long good byes in London. The deaths mentioned above. Joker standing and saluting Shepard. Too many to go on.

I loved this game. I absolutely loved this game. Slowly, but surely, I am coming around to picking it up and replaying it, of playing MP. Because these are our last moments with a universe and characters that we love. It is why it is so hard to feel such hatred at everything that happened from the moment that platform on the Citadel lifted up, such a small but unbelieveably important and most importantly, the final moments of a masterpiece that had wrung me out to dry and made me want to continue on.

Anyway, that's my story. I hope we do get change. But if we don't, when I play through I may just stop when I hit the Citadel. Because that's how I want to remember Shepard, and Mass Effect.

Agreed on almost all counts (I actually did spend a lot of time down in the shuttle bay, but that's another matter), this game had me in its grip until the end. Hell, when Mordin sacrificed himself I was singing along with him.

[spacefiddle]

Teacher50 wrote...
Oh and yea, they knew the storm was coming. Hence the "Big Change" in the forum rules. Were you thinking something else?

I will never buy another game from bioware, certainly not a pre-order for $80. Maybe when one hits the back shelf sale for $5.

I had the same thought; i've tried to resist donning the tinfoil hat, but it does seem interesting that they did that with the forum rules right before the game launched.

Also, tho, remember that big companies are big, and I frequently see employees in Department A prepare for the bad decisions of Department B.  It is very likely that the forum folks went "oh lord, here it comes" and made the change on their own to make their own lives easier, knowing a spitstorm was coming, rolling their eyes at the execs who thought this whole fiasco was a good idea.

[LordHelfort]

Anyone seen this on redditÉ

http://imgur.com/xjXdX

[mulder1199]

http://www.escapistm...-Books#14067114

eh....darkhorse, along with EA and bioware is a company that will no longer receive my business..assuming this doesn't get rectified

[Welsh Inferno]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

This... damn. This whole indoctrination theory just makes sense. Even if it is true, it is bull**** to sell an unfinished game.

Surely. There just seems to be way too many holes for it to be anything else.. how the hell Garrus & Tali got from the front lines with me at the beam, to the Normandy I... just ..... no. No.

[Ghoulishtie]

Disappointing to say the least. All you get to do at the end is choose your favorite mountain dew color, and have the same ending with very very slight changes depending on the choice. Not to mention the only way to have shepard live is renegade choice, and even then it only has him gasping for air.

Man, everything about this game has become crap. I was super excited for it after Mass Effect 2. Now I wish I could just go back and save my money. Halo had better endings than this!

[FOX216BC]

 What about the 2 squad members that are whit you in the final run in London.I picked ash and liara, how the hell did Ash end up in the normandy? Or Liara depending on my final"choice". It's not just a bad ending, it doesn't make any sense.

[unclee]

LordHelfort wrote...

Anyone seen this on redditÉ

http://imgur.com/xjXdX

Problem is: that's a 4chan post. I take nothing on 4chan as fact due to, well, it being 4chan.

I'll have to take the glass half empty approach on this one.

[Welsh Inferno]

FOX216BC wrote...

 What about the 2 squad members that are whit you in the final run in London.I picked ash and liara, how the hell did Ash end up in the normandy? Or Liara depending on my final"choice". It's not just a bad ending, it doesn't make any sense.

The fact that it doesn't make sense is what makes it a bad ending.

Also off topic but: Why oh WHY do people use imgur for images?! Most of the time it never works....... 

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 14 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[Edbi]

Any news?

[Havoc Online]

wow... 1130 pages... i'll join... The ending is just... ugh -__- Not the ending i hoped for...

Wish it was just a dream... don't make any sense why Harbringer would come in the last minute...

[Doppelgaenger]

mulder1199 wrote...

http://www.escapistm...-Books#14067114

eh....darkhorse, along with EA and bioware is a company that will no longer receive my business..assuming this doesn't get rectified

Relax it is just bonus stuff for MP that nobody needs anyway.

[Cybermortis]

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

Quote correct, I was in fact going off the figures...

Sorry, it was never my intention to insult you, if I did, let me say it wasn't on purpose and I apologize.

Cybermortis wrote

Worse is that by not doing or saying anything BW/EA is only going to make this worse.

If EA/BW do nothing then they will have alienated a rather large chunk of their customer base. The same holds if they do produce an DLC to change the ending and charge for it. In both cases future sales are going to suffer badly, and investors are smart enough to realise this. Forbes said much the same thing in one of their articles yesterday, noting that the only way to salvage the situation in both the short and long term is to do exactly what we have been asking for, and make it a free DLC.

You are absolutely correct about that, but I would like to add that even if BioWare comes up with the "best" possible solution for this dilemma, new endings via free DLC, this would still have a bad taste for me.
Why would I, a customer who paid the full price for this game, have to wait several weeks or even months for an acceptable ending?
(I took off the whole week from work so I could enjoy ME 3 and what am I doing instead? Playing Team Fortress 2, great!)
Why doesn't BioWare react to our complaints, not even with a short statement?
What about the gamers that don't have an internet connection that would allow them do download said DLC?

Lets be honest, this is just a gigantic mess and all BioWare and EA can do now is minimize the damage...

No offense taken, I wasn't clear enough in my original post (or subsequent ones) as to where the figures were coming from.

Of course it REALLY doesn't help that by the time I've written a two line reply to someone the thread has jumped ahead 3 pages...

I mused, about 100 pages ago, that I could understand the logic behind having the 'real' ending as a DLC - especially since anyone who gets the game needs online access to activate the game. What I can't understand is why, when the reaction to the ending we have has turned into a PR nightmare with EA/BW doing their best to avoid more flack that the Reaper Fleet had to face during the Battle for Earth. They wouldn't at least say this (if the 'Truth' DLC is, errm, the truth). 
While it could be argued that they don't want to risk crippling sales by saying this before the game has been released world-wide. Given the eye-watering grief they are getting from an increasing number of quarters, and the very real risk of destroying what was left of their reputation I really can't see this working out for them in the long term either way.

[Benirus]

FOX216BC wrote...

 What about the 2 squad members that are whit you in the final run in London.I picked ash and liara, how the hell did Ash end up in the normandy? Or Liara depending on my final"choice". It's not just a bad ending, it doesn't make any sense.

Welcome to the fight recommend reading www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

Hold the line!

[spacefiddle]

PrimeMN wrote...

So, in my first ever post,

Everything you say is true and well-articulated.  Exactly why so many of us started this game and were blown away.  Just a few hours in, I was certain this was going to be a milestone in the industry, a new bar to reach for years to come, the most amazing thing I'd every played.  The distilled perfection of the mechanics, and style, and story we'd been following since ME1.

All of that and more are precisely why the ending was such a shock.  If they'd done a worse job with the game I wouldn't have cared as much.  They set their own standards too high for that ending sequence to be worthy of it.

[laughing sherpa girl]

Yuoaman wrote...

Yeah, even if we don't get anything from Bioware, the charity will have made it worth it. I'm so glad to have been a part of this.

You dont have to hope, but, dont lose hope either.  Hope is the main thing the reapers try to take from shepard, and its the first thing bioware has tried to take from us. Dont lose hope, and if you do, keep going anyway.

[WvStolzing]

Alamandorious wrote...

My reply;

Alright...so I guess if you were sold a car, a car that was exalted by critics, that the designers had said 'would be the car that ties in all the improvements from previous models into a complete vehicle', and you complained about it when it arrived without a windshield that you, by your logic, should be accused of being petulent and feeling entitled.

Wow.

That's what happens when the very concept of 'consumer rights' goes down the drain.
Perhaps the retake ME3 community will produce a Ralph Nader of its own? 

[Katsumi Liqueur]

demonpo wrote...

www.imagebam.com/image/e81f6a179786581 

I cant even end that quest because I choose the Paragon side and the damned bug ****ed it up!

[Kakaw]

The endings weren't bad. imo the ideology in them was very different from eachother. But there were no arching endings that led you either to a good place or to a bad place, which I suspect alot of people want. Because claiming the 3 endings are the same is wrong. They are astronomically different. They shape totally different futures; however they don't differ gameplay wise in any way, nor is there any definitiveness to shepards survival in any of them. Obviously in 2 of them his body ceases to exist and he lives on either as the boss of the reapers, or as the threads that binds all new life together. But in the third, where synthetic life is destroyed, it is hinted to that he survives. Which kinda makes sense, since in the other 2 endings he doesn't really die in the sense of dying. His body ceases to exist, yes, but it is not death as we "know" it.

The ending got maybe abit too theological; it could possibly have used evolution rather than a God character at the very end, for my tastes anyway.

The ending was perhaps too big. Most wanted a more down to earth ending I believe without the weird rules of this catalyst life form that required shepards sacrifice.

Modifié par Kakaw, 14 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[FugitiveMind]

Alamandorious wrote...

My reply;

Alright...so I guess if you were sold a car, a car that was exalted by critics, that the designers had said 'would be the car that ties in all the improvements from previous models into a complete vehicle', and you complained about it when it arrived without a windshield that you, by your logic, should be accused of being petulent and feeling entitled.

Wow.

Seriously? We were told that everything we did mattered, that everything we did was taken into account...and we ended up with a choice of 'red, green, or blue', all of which discard everything we'd done until that point.

Feeling entitled? Not really. Feeling disappointed and cheated? Highly.

To this:

http://www.escapistm...-Books#14067114

That and when you ask why your car has no windshield, the auto manufacturer says:

We are aware of your feedback

And completely ignores you for a week while it rains inside your brand new car...

[PrimeMN]

Yuoaman wrote...

Agreed on almost all counts (I actually did spend a lot of time down in the shuttle bay, but that's another matter), this game had me in its grip until the end. Hell, when Mordin sacrificed himself I was singing along with him.

Yea, I have nothing against the new characters. Liked them both. Yelled at the screen when Cortez was killed. LOVED the early sparring match with Shepard and James.

It's the awesome thing about this game. We all have those moments and reasons to love it so much. And that makes me hate hating the ending

[Ffelan]

Been keeping an eye on other threads and can report the Spanish Fleet has arrived.
http://social.biowar...index/9940812/1
It's good to see that non-english speakers are starting to create support threads in their own language. That's great! Now, waiting on Japan....

[Nex_Legis]

Anything new during the last few hours?

[Welsh Inferno]

Hey. Question. For those who read the leaked script if any of you are here... were the endings the same/similar or vastly different or what?