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[Lord Costantino]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Can I have some help? There's this one commenter on Youtube claiming that all of us are wrong about the endings and that they make perfect sense. He avoids my points that break his logic and flat out refuses to accept stated facts in game. For example, he claims the Citadel is not a Mass relay, just a back door. Never mind the fact that Vigil flat out states that it's one.

He's RocketDragons

My Username is KaiserFangirl

Here's the link, Help?

Don't feed the troll

[Kyria Nyriese]

Good night good people, I'm going to go bury my head under a pillow and pretend I didn't finish ME3.

Will be back in AM to HOLD THE LINE.

[Digifi]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Digifi wrote...

Ok, so reading on another thread where your squadmates on the final mission are dead at your feet after Harby's beam if your EMS isn't high enough. My question is if anybody has a playthrough like that and noticed if those particular squadies get off of the Normandy? Would just be the icing on the plothole cake.

Happened to me. As if the shock from the ending was not enough, the Normandy running, and people who "died" coming out of it just left me staring at my screen for 10 minutes... Then I hit the forums to look for answers and haven't left yet.

O.o  Ok, now I know that the ending isn't really what happens.  The only other option is the CODERS (not writers) should be fired for not setting a simple flag so that couldn't happen and introduce a jarring scene as happened to you.  I could see it before that maybe they thought this was an artsy ending that went horribly wrong, now...just...W.T.F.

[Annaleah]

Nathos wrote...

Off-topic: Is that Tina Fey?

You know it baby!

[foxtrotcharlie]

Darkwingduck wrote...

In regards to Stanley he doesn't have to do what he is right now. He is taking a bit of a beating on the forums and surviving remarkably well. He knows very well that he can't tell us anything and he has to be cryptic bc his geth consensus is not complete. I presume he is here as an extension of good will from Bioware to the fans on the forums so we know they hear us and they see what we're saying. Please be nice to Stanley he is a brave dude and I will take his strange geth gesture of good will with pride. We hold the line.

True, I understand that Mr. Woo is being very brave by being on the forums.  Yet I think, for me at least, it is purely through Bioware's handling of the fallout of the situation that I am most disapointed in, and even that this situation was even able to ever arise.  

I have always regarded Bioware's writers to be of a very high caliber, yet after this fiasco, I think we all are starting to have our doubts of what caused this ending to occur.  The original ending, located in the old scripts, not only made more sense, but was a more-complete and satisfying ending to such a great series.  

In this, I must argue that there was absolutely no way that none of the professional writers at Bioware looked at the finished script and said:

"Yeah this is not only a great and memorable ending which successfully ties the consequences of all three games, but it will also give the fans a satisfying way to both end the game and entice them to play it again and again."

NO. Bloody. WAY.  

That is what is so flabbergasting about the whole situation. The Bioware writers know better than this.  

To me, this seems like a lazy kid's attempt to pull an all-nighter in order to finish a 12 page research paper which is due the next day.  

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 15 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[DifferentD17]

lol so many different endings.



if you haven't seen it already..

[spacefiddle]

RussianOrc wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Could someone catch me up on the latest news? Been gone for about four hours.

Stanley woo is crushing our hopes here http://social.biowar...ndex/9960839/24

Read that.  Interesting response from Mr. Woo: he dismisses the poll.  I *knew* that was coming, but hoped anyway.  If we follow that logic... then all polls, including the ten thousand polls Bioware themselves put up on the SWTOR site and elsewhere, are useless, for the same reason.  Stanley basically dismisses the polls as unimportant, and the reasons he provides for their meaninglessness apply equally to ALL polls.   /eyeroll

Gimme a break.

[ashley_actually]

Hydralysk wrote...

ashley_actually wrote...

Darkwingduck wrote...

Right so Ontario signing off! Continue holding the line! If the bioware geth reach a consensus while I'm away make sure to celebrate for me! A woo-hoo will suffice.

Southern Ontario holding the line for now. Not tired yet. 

Montreal is tired but ready for action!

Go Habs Go! Even tho our war assets suck this season. 

[Damien Nightwind]

Considering the response to the endings that i have seen so far, i would say that Bioware has made a huge mistake with the endings. Lets take a look at things from a different perspective

Mass Relays are destroyed but universe is safe from reapers. So instead of hiding and waiting to be captured and killed by the reapers, people instead have to wait around to starve to death or wait centuries for their descendants to be reunited with their family. Think about the people who were not on a planet or not in an inhabited section when the mass relays were destroyed. They get stuck there with no way home and possibly no food or supplies.

I didnt like the ending myself, but from the responses i've seen, if Bioware doesnt do something to fix this then ME3 may be their last game...

[Mavaras]

spacefiddle wrote...

Wow, Ben Kuchera is a grade-A jackass.  After his comment on us donating to Child's Play, i noticed a lot of the replies he got from other folks was more of the same condescending crap we've been hearing from people who like to throw around buzzwords before they spend two seconds checking out, you know, this unpopular thing called "facts."

I thanked him and said I was glad to participate.  I also said it was amusing how many people were throwing around "entitlement."

His response?  He bothered to tweet me back to say only "And... block."  What a schmuck.  This guy's actually the public face of a charity?

He is probably in a tough position because we have forced him into a conflict of interests; his opinions and the viability of the charity.

[Zulmoka531]

RussianOrc wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Could someone catch me up on the latest news? Been gone for about four hours.

Stanley woo is crushing our hopes here http://social.biowar...ndex/9960839/24

I wouldn't completely say that. It's more along the lines of him sticking to the corporate Q&A standards. Basically he's politely telling everyone the same thing that many of the articles bashing us have been...just...politely... (entitement, minoirty yadda yadda...)

Plus, I don't think he really has a choice in the matter. His job depends on sticking to the guidelines >.>

[Computim]

spacefiddle wrote...

Wow, Ben Kuchera is a grade-A jackass.  After his comment on us donating to Child's Play, i noticed a lot of the replies he got from other folks was more of the same condescending crap we've been hearing from people who like to throw around buzzwords before they spend two seconds checking out, you know, this unpopular thing called "facts."

I thanked him and said I was glad to participate.  I also said it was amusing how many people were throwing around "entitlement."

His response?  He bothered to tweet me back to say only "And... block."  What a schmuck.  This guy's actually the public face of a charity?

...wow yeah the guy seems like a bit of a jerk and acts a bit entitled himself from what little I've seen haha.  Don't let it get to you!  Eventually he'll make a PR snafu and have to humble himself before the internet.  I've stopped going to Penny Arcade for a while, the guy just seems stuck on himself since he's a big celebrity, that I doubt most would recognize on the street haha.  For instance I didn't even remember his name til you added some of the info lol.

[PhoenixDove1]

Darkwingduck wrote...

In regards to Stanley he doesn't have to do what he is right now. He is taking a bit of a beating on the forums and surviving remarkably well. He knows very well that he can't tell us anything and he has to be cryptic bc his geth consensus is not complete. I presume he is here as an extension of good will from Bioware to the fans on the forums so we know they hear us and they see what we're saying. Please be nice to Stanley he is a brave dude and I will take his strange geth gesture of good will with pride. We hold the line.

I agree, I just wish he or Chris or any of them would talk to us on this post.

*gah*  I have never wanted a twitter account or facebook page so bad in my life!!  I don't want to get sucked in but OMG.     And as it's been said before we will hold the line!!

[DifferentD17]

So if Ashley comes out of the Normandy at the end, and on my second playthrough Garrus does, are those two different endings? There are millions of endings. ;D

[Hydralysk]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Can I have some help? There's this one commenter on Youtube claiming that all of us are wrong about the endings and that they make perfect sense. He avoids my points that break his logic and flat out refuses to accept stated facts in game. For example, he claims the Citadel is not a Mass relay, just a back door. Never mind the fact that Vigil flat out states that it's one.

He's RocketDragons

My Username is KaiserFangirl

Here's the link, Help?

Some people won't agree with you no matter what, either because they believe they are right, or they are trolling for a reaction. Remember that this person has no more influence on what happens with additional endings than you, you have no obligation to prove yourself to him, and winning or losing the argument will ultimately have no influence on how this plays out.

If you're being rebuffed, ignore him. It won't affect what we're trying to accomplish either way.

[spacefiddle]

Mavaras wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Tarnation007 wrote...

The one comment I didn't like of Stanley's is how he dismissed us as a minority because our poll (with last time I checked had over 41,000 votes I think) isn't valid enough for them.

Let's try some simple math. Even if there are only 41 thousand of us, 41.000 x 50 (average from the game prices) adds to 2.050.000,00 (2 million and 50 thousand dollars). I think it should be enough to at least catch their attention...

If we use the stablish sampling system that states for each vote in the poll, we should account 10 votes (statistical sampling), instead of 2 millions, we would have 20 millions USD. And those from the people who already bought, played and finished the game.

I think stanley was stating that a poll from the forums is not accurate sampling from the entire population, and therefore, cannot be extrapolated to make that representation. Because of this, it must be viewed as the feelings of one specific demographic, and not the consumer base as a whole. From this, one could call this belief the minority view. It is slightly misleading to do so, because the opinions of the general gaming public remain at large.

So misleading.  You can apply that to ALL polls.  We still use polls.  Why?  Because walking up to everyone and asking is impractical.

Take me, for example.  Until yesterday, I was not a regular on these forums.  In fact, I've maybe posted on them half a dozen times in 2 years.  Stay with me now:

After I finished the game, i assumed I'd screwed sometrhing up; googled "Mass Effect 3 ending;" and found this very thread.  How many others of the "general population" did the same?  Read these thousand pages and it seems like the answer is "a lot."

Dismissing a poll on your website is... just silly.  It shoots in the foot every other poll your company has ever put up on its website.  Bioware used a TON of polls on the SWTOR website all through beta, and early access, and i think they still keep active polls now.  Are they wasting their time?  Do they discard the results they get from these polls?  No, of course not.  Mr. Woo is motivated to protect his company line, which is admirable in any employee, but not to the extreme of making silly illogical sweeping statements like this.

[Computim]

DifferentD17 wrote...

So if Ashley comes out of the Normandy at the end, and on my second playthrough Garrus does, are those two different endings? There are millions of endings. ;D

I'm surprised Ashley didn't come out of MY Normandy.. and she died 2 games ago hahaha

[Jackal7713]

Computim wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Wow, Ben Kuchera is a grade-A jackass.  After his comment on us donating to Child's Play, i noticed a lot of the replies he got from other folks was more of the same condescending crap we've been hearing from people who like to throw around buzzwords before they spend two seconds checking out, you know, this unpopular thing called "facts."

I thanked him and said I was glad to participate.  I also said it was amusing how many people were throwing around "entitlement."

His response?  He bothered to tweet me back to say only "And... block."  What a schmuck.  This guy's actually the public face of a charity?

...wow yeah the guy seems like a bit of a jerk and acts a bit entitled himself from what little I've seen haha.  Don't let it get to you!  Eventually he'll make a PR snafu and have to humble himself before the internet.  I've stopped going to Penny Arcade for a while, the guy just seems stuck on himself since he's a big celebrity, that I doubt most would recognize on the street haha.  For instance I didn't even remember his name til you added some of the info lol.

Its a sad sign of the times when people can't disagree in a civil manner.

[ArmyKnifeX]

spacefiddle wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...

TSC_1 wrote...

Could someone catch me up on the latest news? Been gone for about four hours.

Stanley woo is crushing our hopes here http://social.biowar...ndex/9960839/24

Read that.  Interesting response from Mr. Woo: he dismisses the poll.  I *knew* that was coming, but hoped anyway.  If we follow that logic... then all polls, including the ten thousand polls Bioware themselves put up on the SWTOR site and elsewhere, are useless, for the same reason.  Stanley basically dismisses the polls as unimportant, and the reasons he provides for their meaninglessness apply equally to ALL polls.   /eyeroll

Gimme a break.

Internet polls are meaningless because of how easy they are to break. The blog Pharyngula likes to do it fairly frequently. And I've been stating all along that the poll is more of a petition than anything.

Also, related to Ben Kuchera, have you guys thought to email Gabe and Tycho from PA about the way he's behaving? I don't like the face he's giving Penny-Arcade.

[ArmyKnifeX]

spacefiddle wrote...
Dismissing a poll on your website is... just silly.  It shoots in the foot every other poll your company has ever put up on its website.  Bioware used a TON of polls on the SWTOR website all through beta, and early access, and i think they still keep active polls now.  Are they wasting their time?  Do they discard the results they get from these polls?  No, of course not.  Mr. Woo is motivated to protect his company line, which is admirable in any employee, but not to the extreme of making silly illogical sweeping statements like this.

No, quite the opposite. It's GOOD to dismiss these polls because they aren't a random sample from the population. We're a self-selected population. People who are okay with the ending are far less likely to respond to that poll as they would have little interset in seeing their point be made - things are the way they are, they aren't trying to change anything. We are.

[spacefiddle]

Mavaras wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Wow, Ben Kuchera is a grade-A jackass.  After his comment on us donating to Child's Play, i noticed a lot of the replies he got from other folks was more of the same condescending crap we've been hearing from people who like to throw around buzzwords before they spend two seconds checking out, you know, this unpopular thing called "facts."

I thanked him and said I was glad to participate.  I also said it was amusing how many people were throwing around "entitlement."

His response?  He bothered to tweet me back to say only "And... block."  What a schmuck.  This guy's actually the public face of a charity?

He is probably in a tough position because we have forced him into a conflict of interests; his opinions and the viability of the charity.

Nah.  Sorry I got PO'd and called him a jackass, but really?  I've ignoreed plenty of people in various media.  I don't go out of my way to contact them and say "I've blocked you, nyeah nyeah."  That's just childish and petty.  It's unprofessional and not appropriate as a response to someone who just thanked you for acknowledging our contributions.  He's a jerk.

[Major Swift]

Computim wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

So if Ashley comes out of the Normandy at the end, and on my second playthrough Garrus does, are those two different endings? There are millions of endings. ;D

I'm surprised Ashley didn't come out of MY Normandy.. and she died 2 games ago hahaha

^ if that happened that'd be one hell of a plot hole lol

[Mavaras]

Hydralysk wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Can I have some help? There's this one commenter on Youtube claiming that all of us are wrong about the endings and that they make perfect sense. He avoids my points that break his logic and flat out refuses to accept stated facts in game. For example, he claims the Citadel is not a Mass relay, just a back door. Never mind the fact that Vigil flat out states that it's one.

He's RocketDragons

My Username is KaiserFangirl

Here's the link, Help?

Some people won't agree with you no matter what, either because they believe they are right, or they are trolling for a reaction. Remember that this person has no more influence on what happens with additional endings than you, you have no obligation to prove yourself to him, and winning or losing the argument will ultimately have no influence on how this plays out.

If you're being rebuffed, ignore him. It won't affect what we're trying to accomplish either way.

Ya. The problem with arguing is logic vs. rhetoric. Without both people putting their argument into a premise conclusion format, they will largely speak past each other and there will be no fruition. If a point doesn't jive with their perception, they will dismiss it rather than investigate its relevance to the opposition's conclusion.

[DifferentD17]

Computim wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

So if Ashley comes out of the Normandy at the end, and on my second playthrough Garrus does, are those two different endings? There are millions of endings. ;D

I'm surprised Ashley didn't come out of MY Normandy.. and she died 2 games ago hahaha

Too bad they didn't have teleportation power back then.