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[Welsh Inferno]

You know what my first thought about the image was?

That is one HUGE glass of lemonade!

[Dj14365]

spacefiddle wrote...
Wow, Ben Kuchera is a grade-A jackass.  After his comment on us donating to Child's Play, i noticed a lot of the replies he got from other folks was more of the same condescending crap we've been hearing from people who like to throw around buzzwords before they spend two seconds checking out, you know, this unpopular thing called "facts."

I thanked him and said I was glad to participate.  I also said it was amusing how many people were throwing around "entitlement."

His response?  He bothered to tweet me back to say only "And... block."  What a schmuck.  This guy's actually the public face of a charity?

I don't really know how twitter works but if you still can could you link all of this up. Idk if it goes away after he blocked you?? I would like to read through it and be able to construct my own opinions. It isn't that I think your making it up I just like knowing those unpopular things called "facts". If you can do that thanks.

Sorry if that came off as a little douchy it's 12:30 here and I'm getting tired.

Modifié par Dj14365, 15 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[Aeyl]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Computim wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

This is great lol:

*Picture of ReaperShep and Harbringer removed for space* For the Control/Blue ending ofcourse.

hahahahahaha

Lol, after dealing with that troll on Youtube, I needed a good laugh.

The lack of Harbringer for most of the game upset me, his hammed up lines were fun in ME2, almost made up for his boss in mook clothing status~

Hahaha, I'm sad I didn't get more of Harbringer's uncomfortable comments in ME 3, they were comedic gold. I found it hilarious how obsessed he was with my Shepard's body in ME 2. Almost to the point where I thought Thane (who I chose as my LI) should comment on it. Great.

[Lord Costantino]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

You know what my first thought about the image was?

That is one HUGE glass of lemonade!

Mine was.."holy crap thats a huge chair!" 

[Hydralysk]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

You know what my first thought about the image was?

That is one HUGE glass of lemonade!

Second thought: Where the hell is his emergency induction port?

[Nathos]

Arokel wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

Computim wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

This is great lol:



For the Control/Blue ending ofcourse.

hahahahahaha

I guess blue aint so bad

Whoever did this is an absolute genius.

I was laughing for a good minute.

So epic. hahahaha

[Militarized]

rethas wrote...


You know what really grinds my gears.

How gung ho certain press outlets are that people aren't entitled to their own opinion. I wonder how they'd feel if there work was censored by their editors.

Funny that Forbes writes better articles on a subject matter they really shouldn't be more familar with than IGN, Kotaku etc.

Bioware clearly sees from the Twitter feed a lot of people aren't happy, hilarity will ensue if there is a follow up patch and the press outlets all have egg on their face

forbes is not dependant on video game ads from EA and other publishers. 

Trusting media like that today will get you in trouble, it's why so many people get dumbed down by Fox News and all that garbage. 

[ArmyKnifeX]

Hydralysk wrote...
He might be acting uncivil, but not much more than most people on the internet. I'm assuming they know him personally, think about this in their shoes. Unless he's being totally out of line with his posts this will most likely come off (no matter how it's worded!) as a stranger complaining about your aquaintance is being mean to him online, and since you are donating to their charity you want them to make him stop. At best it'll be amusing to them, worst case it only reinforces the idea of 'entitlement' that we are trying to distance ourself from.

Well, unless you count that post where he was incredibly sarcastic about the massive amounts of money we've been raising for Child's Play... I honestly hope someone screen-capped it. I failed to.

[spacefiddle]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...
That's exactly my point though - you came here to these forums to complain. And vote in the poll. That's the process of self-selection.

Hrrr... it seems counter-intuitive, but then the process itself is somewhat recursive, so yeah, I see what you mean.

Gabe and Tycho's emails are as follows:
gabe@penny-arcade.com
tycho@penny-arcade.com

I probably should have guessed that xD

I simply forwarded the Twitter notification email to them - so it's a clear verbatim quote of both my tweet and his reply, not "i said then he said blah blah" - and prefaced it with a short paragraph asking if they thought this was an appropriate way to repond to contributors, even if he *personally* thinks our opinions are not valid.  I don't want to bury them in a series of "And then he said" links, so left it at that.  I'm sure, if interested, they will look at his tweets themselves anyway.

[xXMAD_JIMXx]

Ok guys time for me to get some sleep, keep holding the line see ya' all tomorrow, and hopefully we'll get some awnsers before this weekend.

HOLD THE LINE my friends.
Jim out.

[KaiserinKai]

Aeyl wrote...

KaiserinKai wrote...

Computim wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

This is great lol:

*Picture of ReaperShep and Harbringer removed for space* For the Control/Blue ending ofcourse.

hahahahahaha

Lol, after dealing with that troll on Youtube, I needed a good laugh.

The lack of Harbringer for most of the game upset me, his hammed up lines were fun in ME2, almost made up for his boss in mook clothing status~

Hahaha, I'm sad I didn't get more of Harbringer's uncomfortable comments in ME 3, they were comedic gold. I found it hilarious how obsessed he was with my Shepard's body in ME 2. Almost to the point where I thought Thane (who I chose as my LI) should comment on it. Great.

I don't know what you mean:whistle:

YOU FEEL THIS!

...Never mind

[Mavaras]

OniRogue wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...
....

No, quite the opposite. It's GOOD to dismiss these polls because they aren't a random sample from the population. We're a self-selected population. People who are okay with the ending are far less likely to respond to that poll as they would have little interset in seeing their point be made - things are the way they are, they aren't trying to change anything. We are.

While I do agree that a poll like this should not be taken at face value, dismissing it is not good. Questioning the target demographic about a random topic may the the scientific way to gather data on trends, but here we look for opinions on a product which can only be given by people who used it.

This Forum may be prone to be very opinionated but if the polls on other non related gaming sites are any indicator, then this Trend is not to far from the common opinion.

Simply saying that everyone who liked the Ending is less inclined to post here is as correct as taking this Poll at Face Value: in itself that is merely an Assumption. I could say that the amazing amount of bashing I saw in other places for criticising the Ending should have mobilised many others to tip the polls in their favour. (Which did not happen)

If you can present me with other polls that show people linking the ending go ahead and I will eat my own words, but as it stands now the Trend I could see says something different.

I think we are all talking past each other and are in some degree of acceptance of the same principle. Saying what the poll isn't, doesn't say what the poll is. The poll can be valuable in its current form, I just dont think miss representing what the poll is does us any favors. It is valuable without trying to wrongly manipulate it.

[Stygian1]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

You know what my first thought about the image was?

That is one HUGE glass of lemonade!

Hahaha Tali vas Sheppard and Garrus probably could use it as a monstorous swimming pool. 

[jedsithor]

Does anyone remember KOTOR?

At a certain point in the game you made a choice. Continue along the Jedi path and save the Republic or give yourself fully to the Dark Side with the intention of overthrowing Malak and becoming the new Dark Lord of the Sith.

Aside from a couple of cutscenes and different sub-bosses (Bastila or three Sith), the endgame played out pretty much the same way. You still had to fight your way through the Star Forge, you still had to defeat Darth Malak. But depending on your choice, you got two drastically different endings. You either destroyed the Star Forge, saved the Republic and got a medal or you became the new Sith Master with your followers proclaiming "All Hail Lord Revan" as a fleet of ships left the Star Forge to conquer the galaxy. Heck, there was even a third ending where, if you fell to the Dark Side, you had a final shot of redemption.

Whatever happened to that Bioware? KOTOR was relatively simplistic in terms of choice and consequence compared to the Mass Effect series or the Witcher series. But when it came to the ultimate choice, it mattered. The ending you got wasn't just a palette shift, it was drastically different. The cgi-sequences reflected that. The Republic fleet either went for victory or the Sith fleet destroyed them. You either got a medal at the temple from Vandar or stood tall as the Dark Lord of the Sith. The one truly meaningful choice in that game had real consequences.

Mass Effect was supposed to be the next step. Instead of one choice affecting your outcome, you had hundreds of choices that affected not just one game, but three. Alliances were made, enemies swore vengeance, people lived or died depending on your decisions. These were games built on choice. Your choices not only reflected the universe around your character, if reflected Shepard. Was he a boyscout or a no nonsense badass? Was she a one-man woman or did she play the field? Was he or she straight or gay or bi? Was Shepard xenophobic? Did he or she have a thing for Asari? What did Shep think of the genophage?

It wasn't just paragon or renegade. Players had the ability to build a unique Shepard and the games were meant to reflect that. Maybe squadmates were expendable in Shep's eyes. Maybe Jack was only worth a one night stand. It all depended on what the player wanted their Shep to be. Choice and consequence.

But there was one thing all Shep's had in common. Saving the galaxy from the Reapers. Shep wasn't always a boyscout...but he was always a badass. Shep had no problem voicing his or her opinion and would always call out BS where ever he or she saw it. This was true right up until the end. The player could have Shep call out the Illusive Man on his BS. It may have been a rehash of Saren's end but it just shows that Shep has been through it all. The Shep I played ME3 with had talked Saren down and pointed out the stupidity of the Illusive Man's scheme.

Then...suddenly....Starchild. Suddenly Shep couldn't form a coherent thought. Suddenly he was incapable of asking basic questions, of pointing out the apparent lunacy of Starchild's solution. Let's put aside what the ending actually looked like. Let's forget the Normandy and the palette change and focus on the conversation with Starchild. Where was the Shepard who didn't take any crap? Where was the Shepard who had proven that Starchild was wrong, that organics and synthetics could co-exist? The Shepard who convinced the most dangerous men in the galaxy, men indoctrinated no less, that they were wrong?

He's presented with three choices. Why those three? Why did the relays have to be destroyed? Where was the Shepard who would ask those questions? Why couldn't Shepard convince Starchild to give this cycle a chance? Why couldn't he even try? Where did my Shepard go?

And that right there is the problem. In those final moments, Shepard stopped being Shepard. I want a happy ending. I want a sad ending. I want a bittersweet ending. I want a good ending. I want a bad ending. Above all, I want an ending that occurs on Shepard's terms. However it turns out, I want it to be Shepard's choice. I want him or her to act like my Shepard has always done. To say what my Shepard has always said. Even if it's pointless. Even if there is no hope for the galaxy. Let Shepard be Shepard. He/She's earned it.

[Jackal7713]

Hydralysk wrote...

He might be acting uncivil, but not much more than most people on the internet. I'm assuming they know him personally, think about this in their shoes. Unless he's being totally out of line with his posts this will most likely come off (no matter how it's worded!) as a stranger complaining about your aquaintance is being mean to him online, and since you are donating to their charity you want them to make him stop. At best it'll be amusing to them, worst case it only reinforces the idea of 'entitlement' that we are trying to distance ourself from.

I find the use of the word "entitlement" funny. Shouldn't a paying customer feel entitled?  Lets say you by a car. When you get it, it doesn't have headlights or mirrors. Is it "entitlement" to comment that it doesn't have these things?

Modifié par Jackal7713, 15 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Mavaras]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

He might be acting uncivil, but not much more than most people on the internet. I'm assuming they know him personally, think about this in their shoes. Unless he's being totally out of line with his posts this will most likely come off (no matter how it's worded!) as a stranger complaining about your aquaintance is being mean to him online, and since you are donating to their charity you want them to make him stop. At best it'll be amusing to them, worst case it only reinforces the idea of 'entitlement' that we are trying to distance ourself from.

I find the use of the word "entitlement" funny. Shouldn't a paying customer feel entitled?  Lets say you by a car. When you get it, it doesn't have headlights or mirrors. Is it "entitlement" to ask or complain that it doesn't have these things?

Ya. Bioware doesn't want us to think of ourselves as consumers because then one can infer that there is entitlement, and we will have a say on what happens, because our opinions effect the viability of the market.

[spacefiddle]

Dj14365 wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...
Wow, Ben Kuchera is a grade-A jackass.  After his comment on us donating to Child's Play, i noticed a lot of the replies he got from other folks was more of the same condescending crap we've been hearing from people who like to throw around buzzwords before they spend two seconds checking out, you know, this unpopular thing called "facts."

I thanked him and said I was glad to participate.  I also said it was amusing how many people were throwing around "entitlement."

His response?  He bothered to tweet me back to say only "And... block."  What a schmuck.  This guy's actually the public face of a charity?

I don't really know how twitter works but if you still can could you link all of this up. Idk if it goes away after he blocked you?? I would like to read through it and be able to construct my own opinions. It isn't that I think your making it up I just like knowing those unpopular things called "facts". If you can do that thanks.

Sorry if that came off as a little douchy it's 12:30 here and I'm getting tired.

It seems I don't know how Twitter works either - I can't seem to find how to show tweets to me.  Or, it's possible his block to me removed his existence from my Twitter world. 

Either way, I forwarded it to Tycho.

[KRAETZNER]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

He might be acting uncivil, but not much more than most people on the internet. I'm assuming they know him personally, think about this in their shoes. Unless he's being totally out of line with his posts this will most likely come off (no matter how it's worded!) as a stranger complaining about your aquaintance is being mean to him online, and since you are donating to their charity you want them to make him stop. At best it'll be amusing to them, worst case it only reinforces the idea of 'entitlement' that we are trying to distance ourself from.

I find the use of the word "entitlement" funny. Shouldn't a paying customer feel entitled?  Lets say you by a car. When you get it, it doesn't have headlights or mirrors. Is it "entitlement" to ask or complain that it doesn't have these things?

I can see the car salesmen "Don't worry its art. Get over it."

[wicked_being]

Nathos wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Can anyone here translate Japanese to English? There's a very active discussion in 2ch (Japan's largest forum) about ME3.

Have you tried google translator?

Yep trying it now but it's still so hard to understand >.< Context is lost in translation.

[Hydralysk]

Militarized wrote...

rethas wrote...


You know what really grinds my gears.

How gung ho certain press outlets are that people aren't entitled to their own opinion. I wonder how they'd feel if there work was censored by their editors.

Funny that Forbes writes better articles on a subject matter they really shouldn't be more familar with than IGN, Kotaku etc.

Bioware clearly sees from the Twitter feed a lot of people aren't happy, hilarity will ensue if there is a follow up patch and the press outlets all have egg on their face

forbes is not dependant on video game ads from EA and other publishers. 

Trusting media like that today will get you in trouble, it's why so many people get dumbed down by Fox News and all that garbage. 

True, but it's also important not to just disregard an opinion opposite to yours as "They're being paid off by *****!", Some people do disagree with our opinion on the ending and what we think bioware needs to do about that. Gaming sites have many different people with many different opinions running them a portion of them will always disagree with your own opinion, but lumping them under one banner of "being bought out" is no better than lumping us under "whiny entitled brats".

[RussianOrc]

Time for me to sleep friends, i will be back tomorrow.
Here somo motivation for you guys to keep HOLDING THE LINE.

[rethas]

Not sure how the press manages to put a negative spin on the amazing charity drive.

I don't think anyone's ever used it as a threat or really a bartering tool in any way.

I guess scandal: GAMERS USING KIDS TO CHANGE GAME

Generates more hits than:

Sensible: Gamers promote a good cause.

Silly journalists, shame on you, I bet they didn't donate $1

[WvStolzing]

jedsithor wrote...

Does anyone remember KOTOR?

At a certain point in the game you made a choice. Continue along the Jedi path and save the Republic or give yourself fully to the Dark Side with the intention of overthrowing Malak and becoming the new Dark Lord of the Sith.

Aside from a couple of cutscenes and different sub-bosses (Bastila or three Sith), the endgame played out pretty much the same way. You still had to fight your way through the Star Forge, you still had to defeat Darth Malak. But depending on your choice, you got two drastically different endings. You either destroyed the Star Forge, saved the Republic and got a medal or you became the new Sith Master with your followers proclaiming "All Hail Lord Revan" as a fleet of ships left the Star Forge to conquer the galaxy. Heck, there was even a third ending where, if you fell to the Dark Side, you had a final shot of redemption.

Whatever happened to that Bioware? KOTOR was relatively simplistic in terms of choice and consequence compared to the Mass Effect series or the Witcher series. But when it came to the ultimate choice, it mattered. The ending you got wasn't just a palette shift, it was drastically different. The cgi-sequences reflected that. The Republic fleet either went for victory or the Sith fleet destroyed them. You either got a medal at the temple from Vandar or stood tall as the Dark Lord of the Sith. The one truly meaningful choice in that game had real consequences.

Mass Effect was supposed to be the next step. Instead of one choice affecting your outcome, you had hundreds of choices that affected not just one game, but three. Alliances were made, enemies swore vengeance, people lived or died depending on your decisions. These were games built on choice. Your choices not only reflected the universe around your character, if reflected Shepard. Was he a boyscout or a no nonsense badass? Was she a one-man woman or did she play the field? Was he or she straight or gay or bi? Was Shepard xenophobic? Did he or she have a thing for Asari? What did Shep think of the genophage?

It wasn't just paragon or renegade. Players had the ability to build a unique Shepard and the games were meant to reflect that. Maybe squadmates were expendable in Shep's eyes. Maybe Jack was only worth a one night stand. It all depended on what the player wanted their Shep to be. Choice and consequence.

But there was one thing all Shep's had in common. Saving the galaxy from the Reapers. Shep wasn't always a boyscout...but he was always a badass. Shep had no problem voicing his or her opinion and would always call out BS where ever he or she saw it. This was true right up until the end. The player could have Shep call out the Illusive Man on his BS. It may have been a rehash of Saren's end but it just shows that Shep has been through it all. The Shep I played ME3 with had talked Saren down and pointed out the stupidity of the Illusive Man's scheme.

Then...suddenly....Starchild. Suddenly Shep couldn't form a coherent thought. Suddenly he was incapable of asking basic questions, of pointing out the apparent lunacy of Starchild's solution. Let's put aside what the ending actually looked like. Let's forget the Normandy and the palette change and focus on the conversation with Starchild. Where was the Shepard who didn't take any crap? Where was the Shepard who had proven that Starchild was wrong, that organics and synthetics could co-exist? The Shepard who convinced the most dangerous men in the galaxy, men indoctrinated no less, that they were wrong?

He's presented with three choices. Why those three? Why did the relays have to be destroyed? Where was the Shepard who would ask those questions? Why couldn't Shepard convince Starchild to give this cycle a chance? Why couldn't he even try? Where did my Shepard go?

And that right there is the problem. In those final moments, Shepard stopped being Shepard. I want a happy ending. I want a sad ending. I want a bittersweet ending. I want a good ending. I want a bad ending. Above all, I want an ending that occurs on Shepard's terms. However it turns out, I want it to be Shepard's choice. I want him or her to act like my Shepard has always done. To say what my Shepard has always said. Even if it's pointless. Even if there is no hope for the galaxy. Let Shepard be Shepard. He/She's earned it.

This shouldn't get lost. Is it possible to get a permanent link for it? Perhaps one we could 'tweet'?

I got it, the permalink: http://social.biowar...16/1222#9973578
This needs to be spread as widely as the Lincoln article.

Modifié par WvStolzing, 15 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[HITMAN629]

Nathos wrote...

Arokel wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

Computim wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

This is great lol:



For the Control/Blue ending ofcourse.

hahahahahaha

I guess blue aint so bad

Whoever did this is an absolute genius.

I was laughing for a good minute.

So epic. hahahaha

Couldnt let this get lost in the thread, I needed a good laugh

Modifié par HITMAN629, 15 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[Arokel]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

You know what my first thought about the image was?

That is one HUGE glass of lemonade!

Probably bigger than the Normandy.