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[Dj14365]

SSV Cleveland disengaging, hold that line in the mean time.

[xAmilli0n]

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

[ArmyKnifeX]

spacefiddle wrote...
It seems I don't know how Twitter works either - I can't seem to find how to show tweets to me.  Or, it's possible his block to me removed his existence from my Twitter world. 

Either way, I forwarded it to Tycho.

Aha, I found it. He DIDN'T delete it, like I thought he did.
http://twitter.com/#...763199783084033

[Darkieus]

Why is this not posted more often!?

[Stygian1]

WvStolzing wrote...

jedsithor wrote...

Does anyone remember KOTOR?

At a certain point in the game you made a choice. Continue along the Jedi path and save the Republic or give yourself fully to the Dark Side with the intention of overthrowing Malak and becoming the new Dark Lord of the Sith.

Aside from a couple of cutscenes and different sub-bosses (Bastila or three Sith), the endgame played out pretty much the same way. You still had to fight your way through the Star Forge, you still had to defeat Darth Malak. But depending on your choice, you got two drastically different endings. You either destroyed the Star Forge, saved the Republic and got a medal or you became the new Sith Master with your followers proclaiming "All Hail Lord Revan" as a fleet of ships left the Star Forge to conquer the galaxy. Heck, there was even a third ending where, if you fell to the Dark Side, you had a final shot of redemption.

Whatever happened to that Bioware? KOTOR was relatively simplistic in terms of choice and consequence compared to the Mass Effect series or the Witcher series. But when it came to the ultimate choice, it mattered. The ending you got wasn't just a palette shift, it was drastically different. The cgi-sequences reflected that. The Republic fleet either went for victory or the Sith fleet destroyed them. You either got a medal at the temple from Vandar or stood tall as the Dark Lord of the Sith. The one truly meaningful choice in that game had real consequences.

Mass Effect was supposed to be the next step. Instead of one choice affecting your outcome, you had hundreds of choices that affected not just one game, but three. Alliances were made, enemies swore vengeance, people lived or died depending on your decisions. These were games built on choice. Your choices not only reflected the universe around your character, if reflected Shepard. Was he a boyscout or a no nonsense badass? Was she a one-man woman or did she play the field? Was he or she straight or gay or bi? Was Shepard xenophobic? Did he or she have a thing for Asari? What did Shep think of the genophage?

It wasn't just paragon or renegade. Players had the ability to build a unique Shepard and the games were meant to reflect that. Maybe squadmates were expendable in Shep's eyes. Maybe Jack was only worth a one night stand. It all depended on what the player wanted their Shep to be. Choice and consequence.

But there was one thing all Shep's had in common. Saving the galaxy from the Reapers. Shep wasn't always a boyscout...but he was always a badass. Shep had no problem voicing his or her opinion and would always call out BS where ever he or she saw it. This was true right up until the end. The player could have Shep call out the Illusive Man on his BS. It may have been a rehash of Saren's end but it just shows that Shep has been through it all. The Shep I played ME3 with had talked Saren down and pointed out the stupidity of the Illusive Man's scheme.

Then...suddenly....Starchild. Suddenly Shep couldn't form a coherent thought. Suddenly he was incapable of asking basic questions, of pointing out the apparent lunacy of Starchild's solution. Let's put aside what the ending actually looked like. Let's forget the Normandy and the palette change and focus on the conversation with Starchild. Where was the Shepard who didn't take any crap? Where was the Shepard who had proven that Starchild was wrong, that organics and synthetics could co-exist? The Shepard who convinced the most dangerous men in the galaxy, men indoctrinated no less, that they were wrong?

He's presented with three choices. Why those three? Why did the relays have to be destroyed? Where was the Shepard who would ask those questions? Why couldn't Shepard convince Starchild to give this cycle a chance? Why couldn't he even try? Where did my Shepard go?

And that right there is the problem. In those final moments, Shepard stopped being Shepard. I want a happy ending. I want a sad ending. I want a bittersweet ending. I want a good ending. I want a bad ending. Above all, I want an ending that occurs on Shepard's terms. However it turns out, I want it to be Shepard's choice. I want him or her to act like my Shepard has always done. To say what my Shepard has always said. Even if it's pointless. Even if there is no hope for the galaxy. Let Shepard be Shepard. He/She's earned it.

This shouldn't get lost. Is it possible to get a permanent link for it? Perhaps one we could 'tweet'?

Yeah this is great

Hey sleep calls, a Wisconsinite is signing off.

Hold the line everyone 

[Arokel]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

Neither am I.

Artistic vision is a convenient way to try to cover up something bad.

[ArmyKnifeX]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

My interpretation is that this was a lazy, nonsensical ending. By her logic, that's a valid viewpoint!

[Fox544]

Shiyamirai wrote...

foxtrotcharlie wrote...

Darkwingduck wrote...

In regards to Stanley he doesn't have to do what he is right now. He is taking a bit of a beating on the forums and surviving remarkably well. He knows very well that he can't tell us anything and he has to be cryptic bc his geth consensus is not complete. I presume he is here as an extension of good will from Bioware to the fans on the forums so we know they hear us and they see what we're saying. Please be nice to Stanley he is a brave dude and I will take his strange geth gesture of good will with pride. We hold the line.

True, I understand that Mr. Woo is being very brave by being on the forums.  Yet I think, for me at least, it is purely through Bioware's handling of the fallout of the situation that I am most disapointed in, and even that this situation was even able to ever arise.  

I have always regarded Bioware's writers to be of a very high caliber, yet after this fiasco, I think we all are starting to have our doubts of what caused this ending to occur.  The original ending, located in the old scripts, not only made more sense, but was a more-complete and satisfying ending to such a great series.  

In this, I must argue that there was absolutely no way that none of the professional writers at Bioware looked at the finished script and said:

"Yeah this is not only a great and memorable ending which successfully ties the consequences of all three games, but it will also give the fans a satisfying way to both end the game and entice them to play it again and again."

NO. Bloody. WAY.  

That is what is so flabbergasting about the whole situation. The Bioware writers know better than this.  

To me, this seems like a lazy kid's attempt to pull an all-nighter in order to finish a 12 page research paper which is due the next day.  

Or everyone had a nervous breakdown
Either way- second that emotion

Agreed. If Bioware's goal was to make me play 3 again and again, they failed. I haven't turned the game on since Sunday morning. I have no desire. If my choices don't matter and I'm left feeling like I'm just running in circles then why continue?

Also lets not forget doing something over and over expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

Modifié par Fox544, 15 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Fantastic post jedsithor. I tweeted it to Jessica Merizan, lets see what she thinks if she has a read

[spacefiddle]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...
It seems I don't know how Twitter works either - I can't seem to find how to show tweets to me.  Or, it's possible his block to me removed his existence from my Twitter world. 

Either way, I forwarded it to Tycho.

Aha, I found it. He DIDN'T delete it, like I thought he did.
http://twitter.com/#...763199783084033

Can you screencap that for me, and - asking a lot i know - host it somewhere i can get the file?  I get "you are not authorized to see this status" when I go there, so apparently when he blocked me, all his nasty tweets disappeared from my universe - a mixed blessing xD.

[TamiBx]

wicked_being wrote...

Nathos wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Can anyone here translate Japanese to English? There's a very active discussion in 2ch (Japan's largest forum) about ME3.

Have you tried google translator?

Yep trying it now but it's still so hard to understand >.< Context is lost in translation.

No, seriously, what's the link? I can help you (and everyone else here, who wants to know what's going on)

[AiLeO]

Has this been linked to by anybody? It sure does make our case...

[Ronnocloki]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

Could someone with a twitter account point out to Miss Merizan that the current interpretation of the ending approach means that Bioware used false advertising in the weeks leading up to launch?  Casey Hudson promised a definitive ending.

[WvStolzing]

AiLeO wrote...

Has this been linked to by anybody? It sure does make our case...

Yeah, that's the best articulation of the problem so far (I think); it's been linked before (see my sig!); but it can't be linked enough.

[Jackal7713]

Mavaras wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

He might be acting uncivil, but not much more than most people on the internet. I'm assuming they know him personally, think about this in their shoes. Unless he's being totally out of line with his posts this will most likely come off (no matter how it's worded!) as a stranger complaining about your aquaintance is being mean to him online, and since you are donating to their charity you want them to make him stop. At best it'll be amusing to them, worst case it only reinforces the idea of 'entitlement' that we are trying to distance ourself from.

I find the use of the word "entitlement" funny. Shouldn't a paying customer feel entitled?  Lets say you by a car. When you get it, it doesn't have headlights or mirrors. Is it "entitlement" to ask or complain that it doesn't have these things?

Ya. Bioware doesn't want us to think of ourselves as consumers because then one can infer that there is entitlement, and we will have a say on what happens, because our opinions effect the viability of the market.

And  thats why Forbes jumped on them over their business practices.

[Lord Costantino]

Hold the Line! We have some people having civil convos in the http://social.biowar...0839/28#9973987 part of the Forum. Please refrain from spoilers....I know it's hard but that's where the Bioware employs are and we need to be heard. Stay civil and don't forget to keep coming back to this forum!.

Hold the Line!

[Nathos]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

My interpretation is that this was a lazy, nonsensical ending. By her logic, that's a valid viewpoint!

She is just talking on behalf of BioWare, they want us to talk about the ending like we are doing, this is exactly what they want the whole time, so if BW want us to just keep talking, she (Jessica) must do their wishes.

[Mythandariel]

Ronnocloki wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

Could someone with a twitter account point out to Miss Merizan that the current interpretation of the ending approach means that Bioware used false advertising in the weeks leading up to launch?  Casey Hudson promised a definitive ending.

Replied:

@JessicaMerizan @KRUUUNCH So all the adverts were false advertizing? We were promised a definitive ending. Wasn't delivered. Interp that.

[Jackal7713]

Arokel wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

Neither am I.

Artistic vision is a convenient way to try to cover up something bad.

Its more like we trolled you all for money.

[Necroscope]

What's with those crappy topics like "Bioware don change a thing" or "whiners blah blah blah" - some trolls were hired to do damage control?

[ArmyKnifeX]

spacefiddle wrote...
Can you screencap that for me, and - asking a lot i know - host it somewhere i can get the file?  I get "you are not authorized to see this status" when I go there, so apparently when he blocked me, all his nasty tweets disappeared from my universe - a mixed blessing xD.

Sure.

http://i.imgur.com/7RjTw.jpg

(Link provided because sometimes imgur doesn't cooperate with the BSN forums)

[willdom]

Crucible Meaning and Definition

• (n.)
  A vessel or melting pot, composed of some very refractory substance, as
  clay, graphite, platinum, and used for melting and calcining substances
  which require a strong degree of heat, as metals, ores, etc.
• (n.) A test of the most decisive kind; a severe trial; as, the crucible of affliction.
• (n.) A hollow place at the bottom of a furnace, to receive the melted metal.

[wicked_being]

TamiBx wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Nathos wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Can anyone here translate Japanese to English? There's a very active discussion in 2ch (Japan's largest forum) about ME3.

Have you tried google translator?

Yep trying it now but it's still so hard to understand >.< Context is lost in translation.

No, seriously, what's the link? I can help you (and everyone else here, who wants to know what's going on)

http://find.2ch.net/?STR=mass+effect&TYPE=TITLE&x=0&y=0&BBS=ALL&ENCODING=SJIS&COUNT=50

I just typed "Mass Effect" in the search bar there and that's what I got.

[PhoenixDove1]

wicked_being wrote...

Nathos wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Can anyone here translate Japanese to English? There's a very active discussion in 2ch (Japan's largest forum) about ME3.

Have you tried google translator?

Yep trying it now but it's still so hard to understand >.< Context is lost in translation.

Dying over here!  lol.  I dont' know why but I feel a lot is hinging on the Japanese response. 

[Rob8228]

Ronnocloki wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Just thought I'd contribute one more bit from twitter.

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/180148094875348993

"It indicates that I enjoy theorizing--I understand some just want a
"canon" answer. I don't. My interp. IS the only answer I need."

I realize she isn't a dev, and doesn't know anything official.  Just not a fan of the whole, your interpretation is your answer, idea.

Could someone with a twitter account point out to Miss Merizan that the current interpretation of the ending approach means that Bioware used false advertising in the weeks leading up to launch?  Casey Hudson promised a definitive ending.

What do you want me to tweet?