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[infinitekilan]

I'm going to be posting this link more often from now on. Gamer entitlement? Hell yes, we are entitled. And here's why:

Starting around the 10:50 mark...

www.youtube.com/watch

[ashley_actually]

ReapersSniper wrote...

Do you guys really think they'll fix the endings? Cuz I'm getting sick of mp and thinking abt trading it in.

I think it's too early to give up. I in no way shape or form believe us to be the vocal MINORITY, and it would be bad business for bioware to offer us nothing. 

[laughing sherpa girl]

Thery are few, we are many. They have money on their side, we have the voice of the entire world. We must remain assertive, but civil. We must show respect, to ourselves as well as them, but by no means can we allow ourselves to draw back, give up, or walk away from the fight. We are up against an ingenious opponent. One which like a dog in a cage does not realize we do this out of love for them. It was never going to be easy, it was never going to be a bed of roses. Its going to be a drawn out fight that pushes the very limits of the patience of everyone involved.. Thats our job now, and that will always be our job.
Hold the line, or Bioware will fall..

[Ja5ck]

Holy cow this thead's page count is skyrocketing!

[Digifi]

stucksuburbanite wrote...

Jessica Merizan just tweeted this however. All hope is not lost .

https://twitter.com/...154982098669568

She's done some really good stuff from a PR/community standpoint previously but I just really get the feeling she's trying to calm the riot more than anything.  Maybe being tired has me cynical, but I just don't trust the hints and winks and such at this point.

[K0M154R]

Annaleah wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 So, for everyone who was wondering how the Japanese people would react to ME3 ending:

http://toro.2ch.net/...331732383/1-100

The thread above is all in Japanese, BUT they are talking about how they feel like their choices didn't matter. They have always believed that ME was about "your choices and how it affects the universe" but in this one, they didn't choose the ending; someone else chose it for them and they had to accept it. They also think a lot of things aren't explained...


So basically they agree with us. Except it's in Japanese. 

I believe the correct  thing to say in response to this is... BOO YAH!

How did they beat the game already? ( and don't say, "Derrrr, cuz they're Japanese.") Either way, great to hear!

[Revan312]

Shepard should have clicked on that Ad next to the videos bar in youtube, would have saved his life..

Modifié par Revan312, 15 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[wicked_being]

TamiBx wrote...

 So, for everyone who was wondering how the Japanese people would react to ME3 ending:

http://toro.2ch.net/...331732383/1-100

The thread above is all in Japanese, BUT they are talking about how they feel like their choices didn't matter. They have always believed that ME was about "your choices and how it affects the universe" but in this one, they didn't choose the ending; someone else chose it for them and they had to accept it. They also think a lot of things aren't explained...


So basically they agree with us. Except it's in Japanese. 

Someone should inform them of our movement. Unfortunately I can't write in Japanese T_T

[Jackal7713]

sumo390 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 So, for everyone who was wondering how the Japanese people would react to ME3 ending:

http://toro.2ch.net/...331732383/1-100

The thread above is all in Japanese, BUT they are talking about how they feel like their choices didn't matter. They have always believed that ME was about "your choices and how it affects the universe" but in this one, they didn't choose the ending; someone else chose it for them and they had to accept it. They also think a lot of things aren't explained...


So basically they agree with us. Except it's in Japanese. 

And it's only been 1 day lol

Sweet Zombie Jesus

[GSS115]

I would give it maybe one more week until Bioware says something. The game has now been released globally now they might address our concerns. I hope. I really don't want to resort to boycotting.
HOLD THE LINE

[Bionic Weapon]

jedsithor wrote...
Does anyone remember KOTOR? 
At a certain point in the game you made a choice. Continue along the Jedi path and save the Republic or give yourself fully to the Dark Side with the intention of overthrowing Malak and becoming the new Dark Lord of the Sith. 
Aside from a couple of cutscenes and different sub-bosses (Bastila or three Sith), the endgame played out pretty much the same way. You still had to fight your way through the Star Forge, you still had to defeat Darth Malak. But depending on your choice, you got two drastically different endings. You either destroyed the Star Forge, saved the Republic and got a medal or you became the new Sith Master with your followers proclaiming "All Hail Lord Revan" as a fleet of ships left the Star Forge to conquer the galaxy. Heck, there was even a third ending where, if you fell to the Dark Side, you had a final shot of redemption.
Whatever happened to that Bioware? KOTOR was relatively simplistic in terms of choice and consequence compared to the Mass Effect series or the Witcher series. But when it came to the ultimate choice, it mattered. The ending you got wasn't just a palette shift, it was drastically different. The cgi-sequences reflected that. The Republic fleet either went for victory or the Sith fleet destroyed them. You either got a medal at the temple from Vandar or stood tall as the Dark Lord of the Sith. The one truly meaningful choice in that game had real consequences. 
Mass Effect was supposed to be the next step. Instead of one choice affecting your outcome, you had hundreds of choices that affected not just one game, but three. Alliances were made, enemies swore vengeance, people lived or died depending on your decisions. These were games built on choice. Your choices not only reflected the universe around your character, if reflected Shepard. Was he a boyscout or a no nonsense badass? Was she a one-man woman or did she play the field? Was he or she straight or gay or bi? Was Shepard xenophobic? Did he or she have a thing for Asari? What did Shep think of the genophage? 
It wasn't just paragon or renegade. Players had the ability to build a unique Shepard and the games were meant to reflect that. Maybe squadmates were expendable in Shep's eyes. Maybe Jack was only worth a one night stand. It all depended on what the player wanted their Shep to be. Choice and consequence. 
But there was one thing all Shep's had in common. Saving the galaxy from the Reapers. Shep wasn't always a boyscout...but he was always a badass. Shep had no problem voicing his or her opinion and would always call out BS where ever he or she saw it. This was true right up until the end. The player could have Shep call out the Illusive Man on his BS. It may have been a rehash of Saren's end but it just shows that Shep has been through it all. The Shep I played ME3 with had talked Saren down and pointed out the stupidity of the Illusive Man's scheme. 
Then...suddenly....Starchild. Suddenly Shep couldn't form a coherent thought. Suddenly he was incapable of asking basic questions, of pointing out the apparent lunacy of Starchild's solution. Let's put aside what the ending actually looked like. Let's forget the Normandy and the palette change and focus on the conversation with Starchild. Where was the Shepard who didn't take any crap? Where was the Shepard who had proven that Starchild was wrong, that organics and synthetics could co-exist? The Shepard who convinced the most dangerous men in the galaxy, men indoctrinated no less, that they were wrong? 
He's presented with three choices. Why those three? Why did the relays have to be destroyed? Where was the Shepard who would ask those questions? Why couldn't Shepard convince Starchild to give this cycle a chance? Why couldn't he even try? Where did my Shepard go?
And that right there is the problem. In those final moments, Shepard stopped being Shepard. I want a happy ending. I want a sad ending. I want a bittersweet ending. I want a good ending. I want a bad ending. Above all, I want an ending that occurs on Shepard's terms. However it turns out, I want it to be Shepard's choice. I want him or her to act like my Shepard has always done. To say what my Shepard has always said. Even if it's pointless. Even if there is no hope for the galaxy. Let Shepard be Shepard. He/She's earned it.

This needs to be reposted very time we get a new page.  This right here is what its all about. Not even parts of the post, THE ENTIRE POST!!!  You my friend need to put this in a magazine. imo its that good.
Keep this post on every page. I'll do it if I have to.
* bro hug*

[jedsithor]

Shiyamirai wrote...

jedsithor wrote...

....
He's presented with three choices. Why those three? Why did the relays have to be destroyed? Where was the Shepard who would ask those questions? Why couldn't Shepard convince Starchild to give this cycle a chance? Why couldn't he even try? Where did my Shepard go?

And that right there is the problem. In those final moments, Shepard stopped being Shepard. I want a happy ending. I want a sad ending. I want a bittersweet ending. I want a good ending. I want a bad ending. Above all, I want an ending that occurs on Shepard's terms. However it turns out, I want it to be Shepard's choice. I want him or her to act like my Shepard has always done. To say what my Shepard has always said. Even if it's pointless. Even if there is no hope for the galaxy. Let Shepard be Shepard. He/She's earned it.

Every eloqent in how you put it and it is true.
that final piece was what throws me for a loop.
Shepard should be the one we have created.
Lets hold the line!
ps- sorry I'm cutting whole statements out folks, I'm just point out what connects with me.

Blame my long-winded writing.

I am actually a writer myself and I'm half-tempted to follow some other fans and come up with my own alternate ending. It is 5AM where I am though so I won't be doing it now. See what you've done to me Bioware? I can't sleep!!!

[Militarized]

K0M154R wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 So, for everyone who was wondering how the Japanese people would react to ME3 ending:

http://toro.2ch.net/...331732383/1-100

The thread above is all in Japanese, BUT they are talking about how they feel like their choices didn't matter. They have always believed that ME was about "your choices and how it affects the universe" but in this one, they didn't choose the ending; someone else chose it for them and they had to accept it. They also think a lot of things aren't explained...


So basically they agree with us. Except it's in Japanese. 

I believe the correct  thing to say in response to this is... BOO YAH!

How did they beat the game already? ( and don't say, "Derrrr, cuz they're Japanese.") Either way, great to hear!

They probably did what I did to get the game early, use a proxy server to unlock it. 

[ViperAlvein]

I feel that I'm going to have to reiterate my earlier statement... Stop flaming and attacking the staff. Voice your opinions, there's no reason to attack Jessica_Merizan over her opinions and what she believes. She's entitled to her opinion as are we. Keep it civil, point out your thoughts but don't attack them for disagreeing with you. It is not beneficial and makes us look bad.

[Annaleah]

Militarized wrote...

K0M154R wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 So, for everyone who was wondering how the Japanese people would react to ME3 ending:

http://toro.2ch.net/...331732383/1-100

The thread above is all in Japanese, BUT they are talking about how they feel like their choices didn't matter. They have always believed that ME was about "your choices and how it affects the universe" but in this one, they didn't choose the ending; someone else chose it for them and they had to accept it. They also think a lot of things aren't explained...


So basically they agree with us. Except it's in Japanese. 

I believe the correct  thing to say in response to this is... BOO YAH!

How did they beat the game already? ( and don't say, "Derrrr, cuz they're Japanese.") Either way, great to hear!

They probably did what I did to get the game early, use a proxy server to unlock it. 

Or they could have just translated spoilers from us...

[TamiBx]

K0M154R wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 So, for everyone who was wondering how the Japanese people would react to ME3 ending:

http://toro.2ch.net/...331732383/1-100

The thread above is all in Japanese, BUT they are talking about how they feel like their choices didn't matter. They have always believed that ME was about "your choices and how it affects the universe" but in this one, they didn't choose the ending; someone else chose it for them and they had to accept it. They also think a lot of things aren't explained...


So basically they agree with us. Except it's in Japanese. 

I believe the correct  thing to say in response to this is... BOO YAH!

How did they beat the game already? ( and don't say, "Derrrr, cuz they're Japanese.") Either way, great to hear!

They probably bought it from an American retailer and when the new patch came out yesterday (or the day before yesterday) insterting Japanese characters, they were able to play it. Also, some of them have checked American websites for hints on how to play it and read spoilers. 

[Rob8228]

Digifi wrote...

stucksuburbanite wrote...

Jessica Merizan just tweeted this however. All hope is not lost .

https://twitter.com/...154982098669568

She's done some really good stuff from a PR/community standpoint previously but I just really get the feeling she's trying to calm the riot more than anything.  Maybe being tired has me cynical, but I just don't trust the hints and winks and such at this point.

If her hints are just damage control, I think a lot of people will be on her case, myself included.

[Mavaras]

infinitekilan wrote...

ThatGuy777 wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

ThatGuy777 wrote...

With so many journalists talking about "entitlement" and spreading their ideas with the wider community, I just can't see how we can successfully retake mass effect. Bioware is a big old scary company, they can just ignore us if they want. They'll find new target markets for their games if they have to...

:'(

HOLD. THE. LINE. Never waver!

Keep holding the line until the day we can shout, "WE HELD THE LINE!"

I'll hold the line! The business/marketing student in me is telling me to give in though... Businesses get it wrong all the time. Their 'experiment' with an 'unforgettable' ending may very well be what they stand by in the long run...

www.youtube.com/watch

Start watching around the 10:50 mark. It goes into a very in-depth view of entitlement, and how we as gamers have every right to be entitled, if done properly.

This battle we are waging against these endings, and as an extension Bioware/EA, could be taken leagues further than our originally intended destination.

This is why Totalbiscuit is and will always be the people's champion.

[Lord Costantino]

Hold the Line we are making progress! Don't give in.

[ArmyKnifeX]

spacefiddle wrote...

@TamiBx

I understand how some of (them / us) feel about Mordin, but: Mordin's was a good death. The situation was made urgent, his expertise was made vital. It's a cheap, easy way out to kill off a redshirt or a new, throwaway character that's never developed (Tosh or whatever his name was in The Mallorean... sigh, Eddings). I know it can't have been easy for the team to decide to kill Mordin, but in such dire circumstances, some loss is fitting. And Mordin's death was beautifully done. It had meaning, it fit well.

Contrasted, of course, with the pointless silly meaningless of this unquestioning Shepard who can choose to die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything.

No, I'm not happy with Mordin's death either on the "I like the guy" level, but I have no problem with it. A perfect exit. And it's *Mordin's* choice. Shepard's endings were neither Shepard's choice, nor mine.

I don't have a problem with characters being killed off, either. It added a lot of emotional weight to the game. To the point where, when I ran into Kai Leng for the second time, on Thessia... I developed a seething hatred for the man. Killing him was a pleasure.

[TamiBx]

wicked_being wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 So, for everyone who was wondering how the Japanese people would react to ME3 ending:

http://toro.2ch.net/...331732383/1-100

The thread above is all in Japanese, BUT they are talking about how they feel like their choices didn't matter. They have always believed that ME was about "your choices and how it affects the universe" but in this one, they didn't choose the ending; someone else chose it for them and they had to accept it. They also think a lot of things aren't explained...


So basically they agree with us. Except it's in Japanese. 

Someone should inform them of our movement. Unfortunately I can't write in Japanese T_T

haha, I will. A lot of them don't speak English, so I don't know if they will, but...let's hope they join us. I'm still reading a couple of their threads. They are long...

EDIT: they are so mean...they're even talking about Bioware not surviving...

Modifié par TamiBx, 15 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[Major Swift]

ViperAlvein wrote...

I feel that I'm going to have to reiterate my earlier statement... Stop flaming and attacking the staff. Voice your opinions, there's no reason to attack Jessica_Merizan over her opinions and what she believes. She's entitled to her opinion as are we. Keep it civil, point out your thoughts but don't attack them for disagreeing with you. It is not beneficial and makes us look bad.

^ this, keep a paragon outlook/atmosphere everyone!

[Sl4sh3r]

infinitekilan wrote...

I'm going to be posting this link more often from now on. Gamer entitlement? Hell yes, we are entitled. And here's why:

Starting around the 10:50 mark...

www.youtube.com/watch

This. This so god damn much.

IGN, Kotaku and all the other paid-to-give-good-review-sellout sites...

Get over yourselves.

[NPH11]

Whatever Bioware is paying Jessica, it ain't enough. I do not envy the position she's in right now.

[Sargaz]

i feel like the ending