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[humes spork]

the_one_54321 wrote...

And choices are only meaningful if they have the depth of meaning that I want them to have?

Well, the thing is the game's outcome doesn't depend on that buttload of choices you made over the entire trilogy. It boils down to Yet Another MacGuffin Hunt and an insular final decision, neither of which are foreshadowed nor predicated upon any of that buttload of previous choices. In that sense, no, the choices made over the course of the trilogy lack genuine depth of meaning.

It hinges an entire trilogy the main selling point of which were making choices the long-term consequences of which were not entirely clear, and how those choices snowball into events that impact the story so strongly as to alter the very conclusion's foundation, on an eleventh-hour plot coupon. How does that not fundamentally undermine the very theme and purpose of the franchise itself?

[JeffZero]

Tietj wrote...
I guess... there are lots of places on Earth that would make the planet seem deserted if you crash landed there.  But it's possible it's deserted.  To me, that's the worst part of the ending, if it's true; everything else I can live with.  I suppose you could say the crew knew the stakes, but... it seems wrong somehow that it's the only scenario available.

Yeah, the thing about crashing somewhere that only appears deserted but actually isn't, to me, is the idea that if they wanted us to wonder at the odds that it's populated they wouldn't have made it so blatantly isolated. There's little room for interpretation in the pic I saw, at least. But then, it was only one pic.

That said, the space launch guy as well as the SomethingAwful former playtester dude? Neither of them have made it sound like there's room for interpretation on that one. Hell, both of them liked the endings until people started flipping. In fact, they still do, really; space launch guy just thinks you really need to see it for yourself before exploding but understands the concerns; SA guy is just like 'lol bioware fans wtf'.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Fafner_Ni wrote...

Rakia Time wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

I am getting a bad DA2 feeling now. They started putting up damage control posts, and now have installed the anti flame shield. Man what happened to Bioware?

EA happened 

so EA would want to murder a franchise that makes them money? i doubt that

I take it you're not a C&C fan.

actually i liked C&C 4


/flameshield activated

Modifié par Rakia Time, 29 février 2012 - 07:22 .

[Juniper Mucius]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Farvahar12 wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
So what if Liara has a SB base on the SR 2 now . when at the end the SR 2 gets destroyed in a crash landing on a remote planet and all on it will eventually die . what you do in the game is pointless when its all but preparing to die 

You guys are depressing. So nihilistic. It's not about the end, it's about getting there. We all knew this was Shepard and crews final journey, we knew they had impossible odds. We knew we wouldn't likely see any of them, or their ship, again.

Errr...no. If a team of galaxys best operatives and 1 ship could take down the Collectors with no casualties, then the whole galaxy could fend of the reapers with acceptable losses. The writers are just not creative.

Careful, that might be considered a personal attack on the writers

Honestly don't think that was it.  I think it was mainly pepole calling each other morons.  As well as a few people that said they wanted to punch or otherwise physically attack Casey or Walter.  A few times threads just became "how can we insult Bioware/Casey/Stanley/Walter as much as we can?"

Notice the . It was a joke.

Apologies.  I literally just woke up, and I actually did not see the ":p" until you pointed it out.

[GRISHASAUR]

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

[Nyaore]

tasca1180 wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Man this thread is going fast. Popcorn anyone?

Popcorn meh, i prefer chips 

I have those too. The best way to handle a potential **** storm is to bring lots of snacks. 

Cupcakes, don't forget the cupcakes! 

Chocolate or vanilla? 

[JeffZero]

The Unfallen wrote...

I mean...SERIOUSLY BIOWARE!? Great, now I get to sit and listen to a bunch of Master Chief fanboys drone on and on about how Master Chief is the greatest and how nobody, not even Shepard could defeat him because he DIED. Its going to be just like Halo Reach all over a-****ing-gain, listen to a bunch of MCtards drone on about how Master Chief is superior to mine and their personalized Shepards and Noble Sixes which is "them" in the virtual world, and a new round of Video Game companies promoting self-pity and hatred...

Gotta love 'em. (Sarcasm)

If your biggest beef with the endings is a certain hardcore subset of another franchise's fandom I'd say you're in ood stead.

[Unit-Alpha]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Farvahar12 wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
So what if Liara has a SB base on the SR 2 now . when at the end the SR 2 gets destroyed in a crash landing on a remote planet and all on it will eventually die . what you do in the game is pointless when its all but preparing to die 

You guys are depressing. So nihilistic. It's not about the end, it's about getting there. We all knew this was Shepard and crews final journey, we knew they had impossible odds. We knew we wouldn't likely see any of them, or their ship, again.

Errr...no. If a team of galaxys best operatives and 1 ship could take down the Collectors with no casualties, then the whole galaxy could fend of the reapers with acceptable losses. The writers are just not creative.

Careful, that might be considered a personal attack on the writers

Honestly don't think that was it.  I think it was mainly pepole calling each other morons.  As well as a few people that said they wanted to punch or otherwise physically attack Casey or Walter.  A few times threads just became "how can we insult Bioware/Casey/Stanley/Walter as much as we can?"

Notice the . It was a joke.

Apologies.  I literally just woke up, and I actually did not see the ":p" until you pointed it out.

Haha, it's alright, I know the feeling

[the_one_54321]

humes spork wrote...
It hinges an entire trilogy the main selling point of which were making choices the long-term consequences of which were not entirely clear,

Anyone that swallowed that marketing jargon was begging for disaster. It's a video game. There is no such thing as genuine choice. Outcomes are always strictly limited in some way.

[CrimsonNephilim]

Nyaore wrote...

tasca1180 wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Man this thread is going fast. Popcorn anyone?

Popcorn meh, i prefer chips 

I have those too. The best way to handle a potential **** storm is to bring lots of snacks. 

Cupcakes, don't forget the cupcakes! 

Chocolate or vanilla? 

I got the ice cream!

[JeffZero]

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

[Jacy Pane]

Nyaore wrote...

Jacy Pane wrote...

No, at best I would have liked to see my Shep stranded with her crew. The endings don't seem to make any sense at all.

Eh, I think some of them do. The problem with them is that:

1. From what we're hearing they seem pretty similar with only minor differences.
2. The Normany crew gets shafted. (My biggest problem)
3. There doesn't seem to be an ending, that we know of, where we can actively work towards keeping Shepard and the crew together. (I'd also throw in the Citadel and Mass Relays staying, but most people seem to be conceeding that they'd be fine with just keeping the core cast together in the end.)

Other than that, I'm fine with these endings. The problem is that they shouldn't be our ONLY options.

I agree wholeheartedly.  It's a shame to think that for a game that advertises choices, in the end, you have none.  Shepard gets screwed, the crew gets screwed, and there's really nothing you can do about it.  I only wish that Shepard and everyone else could get stranded in BFE together.  To me that seems like a fitting post apocalyptic ending.  To me that is bittersweet, not everyone getting shafted and separated, waiting for their inevitable cruel doom.  At least if they were all together, they could try and find a way to colonize or whatever, if not, then die together as a team with.  If these endings are true, which as much as I want to deny it, they probably are, then as a player I feel duped.  What is the point of succeeding and surviving two games, only to be killed in the third with no possibility for even a shred of a happy ending?  Part of me is glad I decided to read into the leaks and spoilers.

I'm not mad, Bioware, I'm just disappointed.

[marstor05]

can someone bring nachos with garlic mayo dip?

[panamakira]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Okay, I'm okay with the "ultimate sacrifice". Just give my Shepard and his crew a chance to die together. I don't know, throwing the Normandy against the ultimate reaper or something... I don't care how. Just let me see them telling Shepard, looking at his eyes: "It was an honour to fight at your side Commander!", or the opposite, Shepard telling everyone through the "intercom" that it was an honour to have them by his side. Them Joker throws the Normandy at whatever... This would be bittersweet. The other endings are just bitter, with no sweet.

This is so sad and tragic to me but I believe THIS to be the best ending for the 7 terrible possible endings we got. If Shep has to die no matter what and can't reunite and rebuild the galaxy with her crew (which I'm heartbroken about) then the best possible ending is for everyone to die together.

I can't belive we can't even control the fate of our crew. Really? Fine Shep has to die no matter what? But leave the crew stranded in some unknown planet? 

[turian councilor Knockout]

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

It does, look Bioware hates trolls obvously but now they're trolling their customers oh how i love their irony 

[chuckles471]

DragonRageGT wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

KateKane wrote...
These are all just variations on "the galaxy is ****ed and most major characters are doomed no matter what."

I'm actually not seeing anything along the lines of "the galaxy is ****ed," so far. Just that all the heroes die. Sound pretty *** **** heroic to me.

True Heroes come back home alive and f*** their wives! (Or husbands, whatever)

To quote the Sean "Winners go home and f*** the prom queen"

[JeffZero]

panamakira wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Okay, I'm okay with the "ultimate sacrifice". Just give my Shepard and his crew a chance to die together. I don't know, throwing the Normandy against the ultimate reaper or something... I don't care how. Just let me see them telling Shepard, looking at his eyes: "It was an honour to fight at your side Commander!", or the opposite, Shepard telling everyone through the "intercom" that it was an honour to have them by his side. Them Joker throws the Normandy at whatever... This would be bittersweet. The other endings are just bitter, with no sweet.

This is so sad and tragic to me but I believe THIS to be the best ending for the 7 terrible possible endings we got. If Shep has to die no matter what and can't reunite and rebuild the galaxy with her crew (which I'm heartbroken about) then the best possible ending is for everyone to die together.

I can't belive we can't even control the fate of our crew. Really? Fine Shep has to die no matter what? But leave the crew stranded in some unknown planet? 

Er, one of the 'Destroy' endings allows Shepard to live.

[gogman25]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

You all HAVE to read this, just saw it on google news.

www.gamezone.com/products/mass-effect-3/news/mass-effect-3-boasts-many-different-endings

"There a risks involved in how you get there or how you completely not get
there," Gamble explained. "As in the previous games, you’ll make a decision and
you’ll see the outcome and there are huge risks to all of those decisions. It’s
not cut and dry."
"There are many different endings," he added. "We wouldn’t do it any other
way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any
more than that…"

Based on all the discussion it would seem he was able to overcome the problem of not being able to give everyone the same ending.

And then you go to the Citadel and choose, right? 

So what about Mass Effect 1 and 2 then?

What? You expected them to have any real impact?

[Unit-Alpha]

Jacy Pane wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Jacy Pane wrote...

No, at best I would have liked to see my Shep stranded with her crew. The endings don't seem to make any sense at all.

Eh, I think some of them do. The problem with them is that:

1. From what we're hearing they seem pretty similar with only minor differences.
2. The Normany crew gets shafted. (My biggest problem)
3. There doesn't seem to be an ending, that we know of, where we can actively work towards keeping Shepard and the crew together. (I'd also throw in the Citadel and Mass Relays staying, but most people seem to be conceeding that they'd be fine with just keeping the core cast together in the end.)

Other than that, I'm fine with these endings. The problem is that they shouldn't be our ONLY options.

I agree wholeheartedly.  It's a shame to think that for a game that advertises choices, in the end, you have none.  Shepard gets screwed, the crew gets screwed, and there's really nothing you can do about it.  I only wish that Shepard and everyone else could get stranded in BFE together.  To me that seems like a fitting post apocalyptic ending.  To me that is bittersweet, not everyone getting shafted and separated, waiting for their inevitable cruel doom.  At least if they were all together, they could try and find a way to colonize or whatever, if not, then die together as a team with.  If these endings are true, which as much as I want to deny it, they probably are, then as a player I feel duped.  What is the point of succeeding and surviving two games, only to be killed in the third with no possibility for even a shred of a happy ending?  Part of me is glad I decided to read into the leaks and spoilers.

I'm not mad, Bioware, I'm just disappointed.

Same stage I'm at. Just very, sorely disappointed in a company I thought I knew and loved. Bioware went from being my second favorite studio less than 18 hours ago to being around #30.

[RazorrX]

panamakira wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

So... everyone here will only be happy if they get the kind of ending that they envisioned?

No one here believes that an ending can be good when it's not what you expected?

Really?

I have no issue with that. But to give us 7 ENDINGS and all of them go from bad to worst. Isn't that a little too much? 7 variation of one tragic ending? That's what I'm upset about. Not one ending in there could be something like "Shepard and crew return to an almost destroyed earth but there's hope to rebuild and start all over"....Really was that TOO HARD?

Actually, I am not that hurt if Earth is fried.  Humanity was spread throughout the galaxy, the human race could still endure.  My Issue is that there is no hope.  The loss of Earth would not be too bad.  

Putting the galaxy in a state of disorder, with warlords rising, governments failing, piracy and crime out the roof as well as people rebuilding, with interestllar travel still taking place would set up a cool universe to play in post reaper invasion.  You could be a privateer, a cargo ship like in Firefly, etc.  There are lots of possibilities post game that way.

Having Shep and crew end up together in a system that has had its Mass Effect Relay destroyed, with the ship crippled, etc. would be a fine ending.  They could survive, they could colonize, etc. It would take them out of the existing setting but still let  you feel that you suceeded.

But to have it where there is really only shades of bad ending is just lame.

What we get instead is that in 50K+ years when new species finally reach the stars that they may find a time capsule talking about how we saved the universe for them. 

[Fafner_Ni]

Rakia Time wrote...

Fafner_Ni wrote...

Rakia Time wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

I am getting a bad DA2 feeling now. They started putting up damage control posts, and now have installed the anti flame shield. Man what happened to Bioware?

EA happened 

so EA would want to murder a franchise that makes them money? i doubt that

I take it you're not a C&C fan.

actually i liked C&C 4


/flameshield activated

No need for a flameshield, I know you're lying, you HAVE to be.

[Unit-Alpha]

panamakira wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Okay, I'm okay with the "ultimate sacrifice". Just give my Shepard and his crew a chance to die together. I don't know, throwing the Normandy against the ultimate reaper or something... I don't care how. Just let me see them telling Shepard, looking at his eyes: "It was an honour to fight at your side Commander!", or the opposite, Shepard telling everyone through the "intercom" that it was an honour to have them by his side. Them Joker throws the Normandy at whatever... This would be bittersweet. The other endings are just bitter, with no sweet.

This is so sad and tragic to me but I believe THIS to be the best ending for the 7 terrible possible endings we got. If Shep has to die no matter what and can't reunite and rebuild the galaxy with her crew (which I'm heartbroken about) then the best possible ending is for everyone to die together.

I can't belive we can't even control the fate of our crew. Really? Fine Shep has to die no matter what? But leave the crew stranded in some unknown planet? 

If this is an option, I will take it in a heartbeat. Shepard and his crew are one entity now and if one goes down, the other is going down along side it.

[turian councilor Knockout]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

tasca1180 wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Man this thread is going fast. Popcorn anyone?

Popcorn meh, i prefer chips 

I have those too. The best way to handle a potential **** storm is to bring lots of snacks. 

Cupcakes, don't forget the cupcakes! 

Chocolate or vanilla? 

I got the ice cream!

Only ?, sry guys here comes a yacht full of icecream,snacks and drink everything you possible can imagine so let's party 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Fafner_Ni wrote...


No need for a flameshield, I know you're lying, you HAVE to be.

no, i just have bad taste 

[Nilbog79]

I'm probably alone on this, but I think the ending makes sense. After setting the Reapers up as being vastly more powerful than all other races combined, any kind of happy end would have been completely ridiculous. So, props to Bioware for taking their own lore seriously and not coming up with some silly deus ex machina.
It's not so impressive though that there is only one ending. There should have been at least a 'you lose'-type ending where the Reapers win and the cycle of destruction continues.