Byakuren2009 wrote...
Hi all, i'm back to holding the line
Any news?
Reports from Japan finally trickling in, thanks to TamiBX, translated = confused and angry.
Byakuren2009 wrote...
Hi all, i'm back to holding the line
Any news?
Koobarex wrote...
Pyewacket wrote...
cheinara2 wrote...
Koobarex wrote...
:happy: < Hi, I'm an organic being, I have DNA.< No you don't.
*POOF*
HAHA!
Ha! It's funny because it's a manifestation of my agony.
That's because it's art.
KaiserinKai wrote...
KRAETZNER wrote...
Vent boy "You see that wall over there?"
Shepherd: "Yeah...?"
Vent boy: "You shoot that and all synthetics in the galaxy die."
Shepherd: "Just like that? I just shoot that wall, and ALL synthetics in the entire galaxy die...?"
Vent boy: " Yeah...in hindsight we probably shouldn't have installed that."
Ok, now that got a laugh out of me~
Lord Costantino wrote...
We are the consumer, it is because of us companies are in business. We MUST hold the line! This movement is bigger now because this is the gaming community saying NO! We are done being cheated. This isn't just about having better endings in Mass Effect 3 anymore. That's how we started but this movement is now a sign to those game companies that we will not roll over and buy whatever they give us. We are their lifeblood and WE have a right to say what sucks and what doesn't! Stand Strong and when we win We can all take pride that we showed the game companies we will not take what THEY decide to give us! We can all say that WE HELD THE LINE!
DifferentD17 wrote...
alberta wrote...
I'm no longer holding any line - I want to TAKE THEIR LINE!
Not a good strategy, hold out for a good ending, not attack for one. Attacking means we can't defend ourselves. Our line will break.
"Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be fought
"There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this GAME (country), isn't there?
He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent
PhoenixDove1 wrote...
Byakuren2009 wrote...
Hi all, i'm back to holding the line
Any news?
Reports from Japan finally trickling in, thanks to TamiBX, translated = confused and angry.
He was too busy designing the electrified wire wall that lets you control the synthetics he created to kill organics to prevent organics from creating synthetics that kill organics.ashley_actually wrote...
Oh mighty Space Wizard how could you not have foreseen this?KaiserinKai wrote...
Ok, now that got a laugh out of me~KRAETZNER wrote...
Vent boy "You see that wall over there?"
Shepherd: "Yeah...?"
Vent boy: "You shoot that and all synthetics in the galaxy die."
Shepherd: "Just like that? I just shoot that wall, and ALL synthetics in the entire galaxy die...?"
Vent boy: " Yeah...in hindsight we probably shouldn't have installed that."
WarMachineGun wrote...
Been learking around here for almost a week now, finally decided to sign up.
That ending has to be the worst ive ever seen and i still cant stop thinking about it and i beat the game last week.....
OMG... almost fell out of my chair!!!KRAETZNER wrote...
Vent boy "You see that wall over there?"
Shepherd: "Yeah...?"
Vent boy: "You shoot that and all synthetics in the galaxy die."
Shepherd: "Just like that? I just shoot that wall, and ALL synthetics in the entire galaxy die...?"
Vent boy: " Yeah...in hindsight we probably shouldn't have installed that."
Oh dude. So with you on this. When he was creeping up behind me and the Renegade interrupt came up, I hit it without a nanosecond's hesitation, AND IT WAS SO WORTH IT. Even just remembering it now almost heals the damaged brain cells that store my memories of the ending.ArmyKnifeX wrote...
spacefiddle wrote...
@TamiBx
I understand how some of (them / us) feel about Mordin, but: Mordin's was a good death. The situation was made urgent, his expertise was made vital. It's a cheap, easy way out to kill off a redshirt or a new, throwaway character that's never developed (Tosh or whatever his name was in The Mallorean... sigh, Eddings). I know it can't have been easy for the team to decide to kill Mordin, but in such dire circumstances, some loss is fitting. And Mordin's death was beautifully done. It had meaning, it fit well.
Contrasted, of course, with the pointless silly meaningless of this unquestioning Shepard who can choose to die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything.
No, I'm not happy with Mordin's death either on the "I like the guy" level, but I have no problem with it. A perfect exit. And it's *Mordin's* choice. Shepard's endings were neither Shepard's choice, nor mine.
I don't have a problem with characters being killed off, either. It added a lot of emotional weight to the game. To the point where, when I ran into Kai Leng for the second time, on Thessia... I developed a seething hatred for the man. Killing him was a pleasure.
WarMachineGun wrote...
Been learking around here for almost a week now, finally decided to sign up.
That ending has to be the worst ive ever seen and i still cant stop thinking about it and i beat the game last week.....
KRAETZNER wrote...
Vent boy "You see that wall over there?"
Shepherd: "Yeah...?"
Vent boy: "You shoot that and all synthetics in the galaxy die."
Shepherd: "Just like that? I just shoot that wall, and ALL synthetics in the entire galaxy die...?"
Vent boy: " Yeah...in hindsight we probably shouldn't have installed that."
Kuranai3 wrote...
Im off to bed.
Gnight all and Hold the Line!
Pyewacket wrote...
Koobarex wrote...
Pyewacket wrote...
cheinara2 wrote...
Koobarex wrote...
:happy: < Hi, I'm an organic being, I have DNA.< No you don't.
*POOF*
HAHA!
Ha! It's funny because it's a manifestation of my agony.
That's because it's art.
I hate abstract expressionism.
Nilofeliu wrote...
Lord Costantino wrote...
We are the consumer, it is because of us companies are in business. We MUST hold the line! This movement is bigger now because this is the gaming community saying NO! We are done being cheated. This isn't just about having better endings in Mass Effect 3 anymore. That's how we started but this movement is now a sign to those game companies that we will not roll over and buy whatever they give us. We are their lifeblood and WE have a right to say what sucks and what doesn't! Stand Strong and when we win We can all take pride that we showed the game companies we will not take what THEY decide to give us! We can all say that WE HELD THE LINE!
We are standing together as one, and you are right. This is now far more than a retake ME3. This is now the bastion for all players who have been cheated by the gaming industry with sub par game releases, and poor publicity and management from those same companies. We must say enough is enough...DifferentD17 wrote...
alberta wrote...
I'm no longer holding any line - I want to TAKE THEIR LINE!
Not a good strategy, hold out for a good ending, not attack for one. Attacking means we can't defend ourselves. Our line will break.
But they crossed the line when they thought it was acceptable to shove an incomplete game down our throats. So, maybe... can we push back just a little??? please.....
Manifest Against the Gaming Industry"Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be fought
If you don't mind me mentioning, there is another quote I find quite fitting to our situation here..."There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this GAME (country), isn't there?
And if this was not enough to make us remember what we stand for...He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent
Doesn't it sound amazingly close to the promises made before the game was released? We were promised an ending, we were promised that our choices matter to the game experience, we were promised that they would listen to us, and in return, all we were required was to remain silent and buy their game. Right now we are grasping at straws coming up with theory after theory trying to fill in the gap left by ME3's ending. Some of us are still in shock, others are really depressed, and all we have from them is silence, or once again, empty statements with not value trying to dismiss our claims as nothing more than childish ranting..
It is known that in the past the gaming community has been able to talk the companies into giving what they wanted, or to better put, what they paid for. Whenever a company advertises a product and does not deliver as promised we are entitled (yes, the word is correctly applied here) to claim our rights and demand changes to the product or a simple replacement. This is harder when we work with the concept or artistic license, however how would you feel if you ordered a Rembrandt and received a Picasso. Though both are great works of art, they are from completely different schools, and as someone may appreciate one of those, he may not appreciate the other..
The main issue regarding these endings is how to apply the concept of "artistic license". We know that the writers/publishes are the true owners of the story in question, they are the owners of every license and trademark related to Mass Effect 3. The idea of players having rights over the "artistic license" is indeed a little too farfetched, HOWEVER, this is not the point here. The point is there though the artists are entitled to write their own stories, we as paying customers are entitled to receive the product we paid for. I for once am I major fan of fantasy novels, and have been reading them for a very long time. One of my latest read was The Stormlight series, which I find quite entertaining, but what if I went to a bookstore, bought a FANTASY/SCI FI book only to get home and find out it is in fact a theology book (or something else completely unrelated) This is where "artistic license" goes too far. When we acquired this game we were told that the game would follow the same basic procedures of the previous games, and that caught our attention. We were told that we would have different endings (keep in mind we don't want "our" endings, we just want real endings) and that every choice made throughout the series (from ME1 to ME3) would count in the end.
This was not delivered. The publisher/producer of the game didn't consider that everything they had previously said held enough weight to make them deliver what we were sold. They believed that they could just give us anything, and as long as it was part of the "Mass Effect Universe" it would suffice to keep us happy, or at least to keep us from complaining. As I´ve said before, we are bot beggars asking for a meal or some change, we are paying customers asking for what we bought.
So far, Bioware/EA has refused to acknowledge even our existence, and instead we get many members of the media industry (journalists, sites, blogs, etc.) complaining on how we are raging against a "great" game without cause. They say we are just unhappy kids that will troll no matter what, or that we are haters (and haters are gonna hate). Some other articles painted us in a far less than civil way, which I will refrain from posting here. the other excuse they have come up so far is the artistic license, that I have talked about already, saying clearly that we as players are not entitled to change the story, even though is not the story we paid for.
Even worse, is how some of these journalists are coming after us because of our fund raise drive for Child's Play. We decided to donate money not to get attention from them, or anyone else for that matter. We did so because we wanted to use our frustration in a constructive matter. And what a better way to release our frustration than helping people who need? (especially children)
Making Darth Sideous words mine "It's betrayal, then..." for this is what happened here. We trusted them to deliver the product they promised, we trusted them to honor their word, and to come up with something memorable, or Epic as they called it themselves. And yet, they did not.
I won't go over the merit of why it happened, and honestly, this is not the first time it did, nor Bioware/EA are exclusively the only companies to have done so. But for the gamers community is has been gone too far, and long enough. This movement is no longer about retaking ME3, but to show the game industry that we are watching, and that if they do not improve themselves, if they do not meet the requirements the gamers expected them to have, we will move on, and leave them behind.
As a loyal fan of Bioware for many years (since Baldur's gate 1), I am hoping they will come around, either with a statement or with something more solid (such as a new DLC to correct it). But as it is, nothing has been said, and it only demonstrates their lack of caring about us, players and customers that made it the great company it once was...
Thank you for your time and patience...
And Let's keep holding the line people...
Modifié par GSS115, 15 mars 2012 - 06:22 .
Dj14365 wrote...
I think I am the lone Cleveland, Ohioan on here. The rest of our fleet took it's strength to south beach.
Koobarex wrote...
Pyewacket wrote...
Koobarex wrote...
Pyewacket wrote...
cheinara2 wrote...
Koobarex wrote...
:happy: < Hi, I'm an organic being, I have DNA.< No you don't.
*POOF*
HAHA!
Ha! It's funny because it's a manifestation of my agony.
That's because it's art.
I hate abstract expressionism.
Then you will probably not enjoy the Codex entry for the Catalyst in Mass Effect 4.
Yep, I agree 100%Nightfire78 wrote...
KRAETZNER wrote...
Vent boy "You see that wall over there?"
Shepherd: "Yeah...?"
Vent boy: "You shoot that and all synthetics in the galaxy die."
Shepherd: "Just like that? I just shoot that wall, and ALL synthetics in the entire galaxy die...?"
Vent boy: " Yeah...in hindsight we probably shouldn't have installed that."
This kind of sums up the entire ending experience, doesn't it?
spacefiddle wrote...
Oh dude. So with you on this. When he was creeping up behind me and the Renegade interrupt came up, I hit it without a nanosecond's hesitation, AND IT WAS SO WORTH IT. Even just remembering it now almost heals the damaged brain cells that store my memories of the ending.ArmyKnifeX wrote...
spacefiddle wrote...
@TamiBx
I understand how some of (them / us) feel about Mordin, but: Mordin's was a good death. The situation was made urgent, his expertise was made vital. It's a cheap, easy way out to kill off a redshirt or a new, throwaway character that's never developed (Tosh or whatever his name was in The Mallorean... sigh, Eddings). I know it can't have been easy for the team to decide to kill Mordin, but in such dire circumstances, some loss is fitting. And Mordin's death was beautifully done. It had meaning, it fit well.
Contrasted, of course, with the pointless silly meaningless of this unquestioning Shepard who can choose to die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything.
No, I'm not happy with Mordin's death either on the "I like the guy" level, but I have no problem with it. A perfect exit. And it's *Mordin's* choice. Shepard's endings were neither Shepard's choice, nor mine.
I don't have a problem with characters being killed off, either. It added a lot of emotional weight to the game. To the point where, when I ran into Kai Leng for the second time, on Thessia... I developed a seething hatred for the man. Killing him was a pleasure.
Auralius Carolus wrote...
Kuranai3 wrote...
Im off to bed.
Gnight all and Hold the Line!
No problem. *drags over a cooler full of Coke and chocolate cookies* Fresh supplies people!
And if a man comes through camp wearing a "ME3s Endings Rule" T-Shirt, looking for his picnic goodies that may or may not have disappeared under mysterious circumstances, you saw nothing. Space Magic!
Nilofeliu wrote...
Lord Costantino wrote...
We are the consumer, it is because of us companies are in business. We MUST hold the line! This movement is bigger now because this is the gaming community saying NO! We are done being cheated. This isn't just about having better endings in Mass Effect 3 anymore. That's how we started but this movement is now a sign to those game companies that we will not roll over and buy whatever they give us. We are their lifeblood and WE have a right to say what sucks and what doesn't! Stand Strong and when we win We can all take pride that we showed the game companies we will not take what THEY decide to give us! We can all say that WE HELD THE LINE!
We are standing together as one, and you are right. This is now far more than a retake ME3. This is now the bastion for all players who have been cheated by the gaming industry with sub par game releases, and poor publicity and management from those same companies. We must say enough is enough...DifferentD17 wrote...
alberta wrote...
I'm no longer holding any line - I want to TAKE THEIR LINE!
Not a good strategy, hold out for a good ending, not attack for one. Attacking means we can't defend ourselves. Our line will break.
But they crossed the line when they thought it was acceptable to shove an incomplete game down our throats. So, maybe... can we push back just a little??? please.....
Manifest Against the Gaming Industry"Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be fought
If you don't mind me mentioning, there is another quote I find quite fitting to our situation here..."There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this GAME (country), isn't there?
And if this was not enough to make us remember what we stand for...He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent
Doesn't it sound amazingly close to the promises made before the game was released? We were promised an ending, we were promised that our choices matter to the game experience, we were promised that they would listen to us, and in return, all we were required was to remain silent and buy their game. Right now we are grasping at straws coming up with theory after theory trying to fill in the gap left by ME3's ending. Some of us are still in shock, others are really depressed, and all we have from them is silence, or once again, empty statements with not value trying to dismiss our claims as nothing more than childish ranting..
It is known that in the past the gaming community has been able to talk the companies into giving what they wanted, or to better put, what they paid for. Whenever a company advertises a product and does not deliver as promised we are entitled (yes, the word is correctly applied here) to claim our rights and demand changes to the product or a simple replacement. This is harder when we work with the concept or artistic license, however how would you feel if you ordered a Rembrandt and received a Picasso. Though both are great works of art, they are from completely different schools, and as someone may appreciate one of those, he may not appreciate the other..
The main issue regarding these endings is how to apply the concept of "artistic license". We know that the writers/publishes are the true owners of the story in question, they are the owners of every license and trademark related to Mass Effect 3. The idea of players having rights over the "artistic license" is indeed a little too farfetched, HOWEVER, this is not the point here. The point is there though the artists are entitled to write their own stories, we as paying customers are entitled to receive the product we paid for. I for once am I major fan of fantasy novels, and have been reading them for a very long time. One of my latest read was The Stormlight series, which I find quite entertaining, but what if I went to a bookstore, bought a FANTASY/SCI FI book only to get home and find out it is in fact a theology book (or something else completely unrelated) This is where "artistic license" goes too far. When we acquired this game we were told that the game would follow the same basic procedures of the previous games, and that caught our attention. We were told that we would have different endings (keep in mind we don't want "our" endings, we just want real endings) and that every choice made throughout the series (from ME1 to ME3) would count in the end.
This was not delivered. The publisher/producer of the game didn't consider that everything they had previously said held enough weight to make them deliver what we were sold. They believed that they could just give us anything, and as long as it was part of the "Mass Effect Universe" it would suffice to keep us happy, or at least to keep us from complaining. As I´ve said before, we are bot beggars asking for a meal or some change, we are paying customers asking for what we bought.
So far, Bioware/EA has refused to acknowledge even our existence, and instead we get many members of the media industry (journalists, sites, blogs, etc.) complaining on how we are raging against a "great" game without cause. They say we are just unhappy kids that will troll no matter what, or that we are haters (and haters are gonna hate). Some other articles painted us in a far less than civil way, which I will refrain from posting here. the other excuse they have come up so far is the artistic license, that I have talked about already, saying clearly that we as players are not entitled to change the story, even though is not the story we paid for.
Even worse, is how some of these journalists are coming after us because of our fund raise drive for Child's Play. We decided to donate money not to get attention from them, or anyone else for that matter. We did so because we wanted to use our frustration in a constructive matter. And what a better way to release our frustration than helping people who need? (especially children)
Making Darth Sideous words mine "It's betrayal, then..." for this is what happened here. We trusted them to deliver the product they promised, we trusted them to honor their word, and to come up with something memorable, or Epic as they called it themselves. And yet, they did not.
I won't go over the merit of why it happened, and honestly, this is not the first time it did, nor Bioware/EA are exclusively the only companies to have done so. But for the gamers community is has been gone too far, and long enough. This movement is no longer about retaking ME3, but to show the game industry that we are watching, and that if they do not improve themselves, if they do not meet the requirements the gamers expected them to have, we will move on, and leave them behind.
As a loyal fan of Bioware for many years (since Baldur's gate 1), I am hoping they will come around, either with a statement or with something more solid (such as a new DLC to correct it). But as it is, nothing has been said, and it only demonstrates their lack of caring about us, players and customers that made it the great company it once was...
Thank you for your time and patience...
And Let's keep holding the line people...
ashley_actually wrote...
That might be my favourite part of the game. I was yelling "That was for Thane you son of a *****" at the TV right before Shepard did. Then I laughed my butt off when she echoed me. Oh ME3 didn't we almost have it all?