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WvStolzing wrote...
Nilofeliu wrote...
Lord Costantino wrote...
We are the consumer, it is because of us companies are in business. We MUST hold the line! This movement is bigger now because this is the gaming community saying NO! We are done being cheated. This isn't just about having better endings in Mass Effect 3 anymore. That's how we started but this movement is now a sign to those game companies that we will not roll over and buy whatever they give us. We are their lifeblood and WE have a right to say what sucks and what doesn't! Stand Strong and when we win We can all take pride that we showed the game companies we will not take what THEY decide to give us! We can all say that WE HELD THE LINE!
We are standing together as one, and you are right. This is now far more than a retake ME3. This is now the bastion for all players who have been cheated by the gaming industry with sub par game releases, and poor publicity and management from those same companies. We must say enough is enough...DifferentD17 wrote...
alberta wrote...
I'm no longer holding any line - I want to TAKE THEIR LINE!
Not a good strategy, hold out for a good ending, not attack for one. Attacking means we can't defend ourselves. Our line will break.
But they crossed the line when they thought it was acceptable to shove an incomplete game down our throats. So, maybe... can we push back just a little??? please.....
Manifest Against the Gaming Industry"Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be fought
If you don't mind me mentioning, there is another quote I find quite fitting to our situation here..."There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this GAME (country), isn't there?
And if this was not enough to make us remember what we stand for...He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent
Doesn't it sound amazingly close to the promises made before the game was released? We were promised an ending, we were promised that our choices matter to the game experience, we were promised that they would listen to us, and in return, all we were required was to remain silent and buy their game. Right now we are grasping at straws coming up with theory after theory trying to fill in the gap left by ME3's ending. Some of us are still in shock, others are really depressed, and all we have from them is silence, or once again, empty statements with not value trying to dismiss our claims as nothing more than childish ranting..
It is known that in the past the gaming community has been able to talk the companies into giving what they wanted, or to better put, what they paid for. Whenever a company advertises a product and does not deliver as promised we are entitled (yes, the word is correctly applied here) to claim our rights and demand changes to the product or a simple replacement. This is harder when we work with the concept or artistic license, however how would you feel if you ordered a Rembrandt and received a Picasso. Though both are great works of art, they are from completely different schools, and as someone may appreciate one of those, he may not appreciate the other..
The main issue regarding these endings is how to apply the concept of "artistic license". We know that the writers/publishes are the true owners of the story in question, they are the owners of every license and trademark related to Mass Effect 3. The idea of players having rights over the "artistic license" is indeed a little too farfetched, HOWEVER, this is not the point here. The point is there though the artists are entitled to write their own stories, we as paying customers are entitled to receive the product we paid for. I for once am I major fan of fantasy novels, and have been reading them for a very long time. One of my latest read was The Stormlight series, which I find quite entertaining, but what if I went to a bookstore, bought a FANTASY/SCI FI book only to get home and find out it is in fact a theology book (or something else completely unrelated) This is where "artistic license" goes too far. When we acquired this game we were told that the game would follow the same basic procedures of the previous games, and that caught our attention. We were told that we would have different endings (keep in mind we don't want "our" endings, we just want real endings) and that every choice made throughout the series (from ME1 to ME3) would count in the end.
This was not delivered. The publisher/producer of the game didn't consider that everything they had previously said held enough weight to make them deliver what we were sold. They believed that they could just give us anything, and as long as it was part of the "Mass Effect Universe" it would suffice to keep us happy, or at least to keep us from complaining. As I´ve said before, we are bot beggars asking for a meal or some change, we are paying customers asking for what we bought.
So far, Bioware/EA has refused to acknowledge even our existence, and instead we get many members of the media industry (journalists, sites, blogs, etc.) complaining on how we are raging against a "great" game without cause. They say we are just unhappy kids that will troll no matter what, or that we are haters (and haters are gonna hate). Some other articles painted us in a far less than civil way, which I will refrain from posting here. the other excuse they have come up so far is the artistic license, that I have talked about already, saying clearly that we as players are not entitled to change the story, even though is not the story we paid for.
Even worse, is how some of these journalists are coming after us because of our fund raise drive for Child's Play. We decided to donate money not to get attention from them, or anyone else for that matter. We did so because we wanted to use our frustration in a constructive matter. And what a better way to release our frustration than helping people who need? (especially children)
Making Darth Sideous words mine "It's betrayal, then..." for this is what happened here. We trusted them to deliver the product they promised, we trusted them to honor their word, and to come up with something memorable, or Epic as they called it themselves. And yet, they did not.
I won't go over the merit of why it happened, and honestly, this is not the first time it did, nor Bioware/EA are exclusively the only companies to have done so. But for the gamers community is has been gone too far, and long enough. This movement is no longer about retaking ME3, but to show the game industry that we are watching, and that if they do not improve themselves, if they do not meet the requirements the gamers expected them to have, we will move on, and leave them behind.
As a loyal fan of Bioware for many years (since Baldur's gate 1), I am hoping they will come around, either with a statement or with something more solid (such as a new DLC to correct it). But as it is, nothing has been said, and it only demonstrates their lack of caring about us, players and customers that made it the great company it once was...
Thank you for your time and patience...
And Let's keep holding the line people...
very well said.
This post must be passed on. People need to read this and understand their ful rights has consumers. DONT let this fade away please.
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for them to release an unfinished product is just not good. It's unfair to the people who buy it expecting the Product to be complete.
