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[Pyewacket]

Lord Costantino wrote...

Pyewacket wrote...

Neko Hibiki wrote...

Bioware promised us a certain game in their ads.

We paid, but didn't get what we paid for.

Bioware is guilty of false advertising, and we can sue their butts off for it.

Thay want to remain quite right now?

Let's see how quite they remain when they are hit with thousands of law suits.

I'm not going to waste my money suing them.  Why the hell would I do that?  I'm simply going to stop buying their ****.

Boycott would be our last option if they don't change it; but will reports from Japan being VERY unhappy and angry it most likely won't have to come down to that.

I hope not.  I really don't want to HAVE to stop buying their ****.  But I will.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Neko Hibiki wrote...

Bioware promised us a certain game in their ads.

We paid, but didn't get what we paid for.

Bioware is guilty of false advertising, and we can sue their butts off for it.

Thay want to remain quite right now?

Let's see how quite they remain when they are hit with thousands of law suits.

Lol, you do take back earth, even if it is a few square miles of my country, probably choosen becuase Paris and NY are too much of a cliché, and only for a few minutes.

I can think of a great DLC appearence pack they could release.... the burned/huskified bodies of your squad would look great, "Liara sports a tight fitting body bag, and new torso garus is a great distraction in a fire fight..."

[Lord Costantino]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

alberta wrote...

How many here read THIS?

http://masseffect.wi...LC_Revealed!!!!

"A few hours ago an anonymous user who leaked the multiplayer DLC (just an hour earlier) has claimed that the ending fiasco was deliberate because of the game’s storyline being leaked. They changed it so they could have more time to prepare the real ending DLC"

That is kind of low. if they didn't have the real ending done then they shouldn't of released the game until it was done

its one thing to pull the from ashes for not being able to finish, but the ending, no.

I agree with you Lord Jaric  for them to release an unfinished product is just not good. It's unfair to the people who buy it expecting the Product to be complete.

Agreed. That means they released an unfinished product at full price.

However this was my main speculation to why we're in the state we're in. Bioware took it really hard when the story was leaked so they want to make something even better than what they originally had. Sadly the way they handled it was less than stellar.

That also explains why they are now saying they're taking in fan feedback. They want to do a massive data collection. The problem is now they didn't expect this kind of vocal backlash. They wanted feedback, not a war.

Then again this is all my own theory of what happened.

Fox how do you think theyare going to handle the current war?

I couldn't say. Charging for the DLC would be a PR nightmare at this point. Forbes already pointed out if they announce it and charge for it everyone will stand up and scream "ah HA! I knew it!".

However nothing in this world is free. The cost of making a full DLC pack is exorbitant. If we ask for it for free I doubt Bioware/EA would be willing to flip the bill.

Bioware has the eyes of the world on them right now. Imagine the pressure that causes. Bioware could either make themselves out like the video game massiah or end up in a corporate management textbook detailing what not to do.

Sadly, I believe they will just remain silent and wait for as long as it takes until this goes away. At some point the media coverage will be minimal, and they will be able to focus on the new releases. However, I would not be surprised if they decide to hold any new release until this is all over...

Just remember people, they best way to make sure they understand and acknowledge us, is to NOT BUY anything from them until they do so...

/Salute

This will not go away I assure you and they can't afford to wait till it would die off. Mass Effect 3 is now only worth 30 dollars, stocks have dropped, and with so many angry customers it will not be in theri benefit to let this TRY to die. 

REMINDER!!!!!
Donate to Childs Play Retake Mass Effect 3 and be civil

[pius_22]

Hey there. German Fleet reporting for duty. Anything official from Bioware in the last 10 hours?

[malra]

signing off


....keep holding the line

[demonpo]

www.imagebam.com/image/e81f6a179786581  lol?

[spacefiddle]

PsylenceRD wrote...
I find it even worse when we get smacked by BioWare with such comments as "if college taught me anything, it's to always question what is presented to me. Critical thinking ftw." It's a bit of a slap in the face.

It's more than a bit, it's complete and utter BS.  IN fact, if we analyze that statement with a little critical thinking, it doesn't hold up at all.  WIth any interface, we must trust the controls.  Now, to question the controls, or the base tenets of the game as we've learned them, at every step, is incredibly tedious. 

You might, for example, run around every corner, every dead end, every hallway looking for one more mod, one more box.  You might even go stare at every computer terminal model in the game.  But why?  The interface taught me that I'll see a pretty obvious ( ) at decent range for most items.  So, I learned to scan quickly over anything suspect, looking for that ( ).  WIth me so far?

According to this thoughtless spin damage-control BW statement, I should have not trusted that ( ).  I should have walked over to EVERY SINGLE ITEM IN THE GAME and hit Space, seeing if i could interact with it.  QUESTION EVERYTHING!

Falls apart completely.  Absolutely a straw man argument, and it's an insult to our intelligence.  We're led on rails down the last part of the game.  There's no indication that the game itself is no longer to be trusted.

[Nilofeliu]

DrixDZanth wrote...

Neko Hibiki wrote...

Bioware promised us a certain game in their ads.

We paid, but didn't get what we paid for.

Bioware is guilty of false advertising, and we can sue their butts off for it.

Thay want to remain quite right now?

Let's see how quite they remain when they are hit with thousands of law suits.

"False advertising"- You use the phrase, sir, but I do not think you know what it means.

Actually Sir, you may be the one wrong..

To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

The only part that would require further proof is related to the result in injury to the plaintiff. It would ne necessary to prove that is has caused damaged somehow. Not easy to do so, but neither entirely impossible...

Modifié par Nilofeliu, 15 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[Koobarex]

As for the "V for Vendetta" quotes flying around:

Huh?

This isn't a protest against how the game industry works, because without game industry you wouldn't have Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3. This isn't about some capitalism-abolishing mumbo jumbo, it's about a fair protest by a bunch of customers who expected an amazing, multi-layered ending to a beloved trilogy (as promised), but got space magic and rushed plot changes that don't make any sense.

Please, don't even try turning this into the 100th little pseudo-revolution floating like a bad fart, they are popping around everywhere and are kinda'... I don't want to use strong words, so I'll just say "inappropriate to the topic in motion".

Modifié par Koobarex, 15 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[IndustrializedTaco]

Southwest Missouri angry rednecks signing off. See y'all tomorrow.

[Lord Costantino]

pius_22 wrote...

Hey there. German Fleet reporting for duty. Anything official from Bioware in the last 10 hours?

Leaks of a "Truth dlc" uncomfirmed, Japan is NOT happy and more and more people are joining our cause. We also were noticed in USA today, Escapist Magazine Agrees with us. In all Good news. We have also raised 41000+ dollars for Childs play last I saw. 

[Dj14365]

Pyewacket wrote...

Neko Hibiki wrote...
Bioware promised us a certain game in their ads.

We paid, but didn't get what we paid for.

Bioware is guilty of false advertising, and we can sue their butts off for it.

Thay want to remain quite right now?

Let's see how quite they remain when they are hit with thousands of law suits.

I'm not going to waste my money suing them.  Why the hell would I do that?  I'm simply going to stop buying their ****.

Pyewacket is right. A law suit would never stick and would waste more of our time and money. The ceasing of purchasing their products on the other hand is an effect way to hit them where they're most sensitive, their wallets. We comprise a substantial portion of BW's most loyal fans. We are the ones that pre-order, buy dlc and merchandise. By alienating that portion of their clientele they can only damage their own profit margins(price of ME3 on amazon is in the 40s already). Also talking people out of buying their goods will help. Hold the line.

[Fox544]

Lord Costantino wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

alberta wrote...

How many here read THIS?

http://masseffect.wi...LC_Revealed!!!!

"A few hours ago an anonymous user who leaked the multiplayer DLC (just an hour earlier) has claimed that the ending fiasco was deliberate because of the game’s storyline being leaked. They changed it so they could have more time to prepare the real ending DLC"

That is kind of low. if they didn't have the real ending done then they shouldn't of released the game until it was done

its one thing to pull the from ashes for not being able to finish, but the ending, no.

I agree with you Lord Jaric  for them to release an unfinished product is just not good. It's unfair to the people who buy it expecting the Product to be complete.

Agreed. That means they released an unfinished product at full price.

However this was my main speculation to why we're in the state we're in. Bioware took it really hard when the story was leaked so they want to make something even better than what they originally had. Sadly the way they handled it was less than stellar.

That also explains why they are now saying they're taking in fan feedback. They want to do a massive data collection. The problem is now they didn't expect this kind of vocal backlash. They wanted feedback, not a war.

Then again this is all my own theory of what happened.

Fox how do you think theyare going to handle the current war?

I couldn't say. Charging for the DLC would be a PR nightmare at this point. Forbes already pointed out if they announce it and charge for it everyone will stand up and scream "ah HA! I knew it!".

However nothing in this world is free. The cost of making a full DLC pack is exorbitant. If we ask for it for free I doubt Bioware/EA would be willing to flip the bill.

Bioware has the eyes of the world on them right now. Imagine the pressure that causes. Bioware could either make themselves out like the video game massiah or end up in a corporate management textbook detailing what not to do.

Sadly, I believe they will just remain silent and wait for as long as it takes until this goes away. At some point the media coverage will be minimal, and they will be able to focus on the new releases. However, I would not be surprised if they decide to hold any new release until this is all over...

Just remember people, they best way to make sure they understand and acknowledge us, is to NOT BUY anything from them until they do so...

/Salute

This will not go away I assure you and they can't afford to wait till it would die off. Mass Effect 3 is now only worth 30 dollars, stocks have dropped, and with so many angry customers it will not be in theri benefit to let this TRY to die. 

REMINDER!!!!!
Donate to Childs Play Retake Mass Effect 3 and be civil

Where have you seen $30? So far all I've seen is at full price at Amazon, Wal Mart, Gamestop and Origin.

[leonardo87]

Been reading this for a couple of days, but I am just chiming in now. Mass Effect 3 was the most amazing game I have ever played. I was so excited to see how it ended, but then I was left with an ending that had not closure. Nor did that ending make any sense. 

I was hoping for a happy ending, after playing, and working so hard through the first two games. Honestly, I cannot start it up to play again. I cannot beleive that probably the BEST story I have ever been able to experience ended like that.

Mass Effect helped me get past some tough things in my life. I am a biology student, and I am facinated yet terrified of extinction. On earth it is definetly a problem. But Mass Effect, it created a world where we would try and stop extinction ourselves. But in the end it was all for nothing. All that time wasted with no closure, and this feeling that I just got crapped on really sucks. But, I am here to help 'Hold the Line'. A story that beautiful does not deserve the end we have seen!

(I must say thought Martin Sheen's portrayal of the Illusive Man at the end was amazing. Props to him.)

[WvStolzing]

Strange conversation on Twitter:
(see both)
https://twitter.com/...178958904602624
https://twitter.com/...179861132935169

Modifié par WvStolzing, 15 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[pius_22]

Lord Costantino wrote...

pius_22 wrote...

Hey there. German Fleet reporting for duty. Anything official from Bioware in the last 10 hours?

Leaks of a "Truth dlc" uncomfirmed, Japan is NOT happy and more and more people are joining our cause. We also were noticed in USA today, Escapist Magazine Agrees with us. In all Good news. We have also raised 41000+ dollars for Childs play last I saw. 

At least some good news. thx

[Faceless Minion]

infinitekilan wrote...

I'm going to be posting this link more often from now on. Gamer entitlement? Hell yes, we are entitled. And here's why:

Starting around the 10:50 mark...


www.youtube.com/watch

This thread is moving more than quick enough without people like you pointlessly spamming it up.

[Pyewacket]

Dj14365 wrote...

Pyewacket wrote...

Neko Hibiki wrote...
Bioware promised us a certain game in their ads.

We paid, but didn't get what we paid for.

Bioware is guilty of false advertising, and we can sue their butts off for it.

Thay want to remain quite right now?

Let's see how quite they remain when they are hit with thousands of law suits.

I'm not going to waste my money suing them.  Why the hell would I do that?  I'm simply going to stop buying their ****.

Pyewacket is right. A law suit would never stick and would waste more of our time and money. The ceasing of purchasing their products on the other hand is an effect way to hit them where they're most sensitive, their wallets. We comprise a substantial portion of BW's most loyal fans. We are the ones that pre-order, buy dlc and merchandise. By alienating that portion of their clientele they can only damage their own profit margins(price of ME3 on amazon is in the 40s already). Also talking people out of buying their goods will help. Hold the line.

Yeah, what he said. 

God, I'm tired.

[Lord Costantino]

Fox544 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Nilofeliu wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Fox544 wrote...

Lord Costantino wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

alberta wrote...

How many here read THIS?

http://masseffect.wi...LC_Revealed!!!!

"A few hours ago an anonymous user who leaked the multiplayer DLC (just an hour earlier) has claimed that the ending fiasco was deliberate because of the game’s storyline being leaked. They changed it so they could have more time to prepare the real ending DLC"

That is kind of low. if they didn't have the real ending done then they shouldn't of released the game until it was done

its one thing to pull the from ashes for not being able to finish, but the ending, no.

I agree with you Lord Jaric  for them to release an unfinished product is just not good. It's unfair to the people who buy it expecting the Product to be complete.

Agreed. That means they released an unfinished product at full price.

However this was my main speculation to why we're in the state we're in. Bioware took it really hard when the story was leaked so they want to make something even better than what they originally had. Sadly the way they handled it was less than stellar.

That also explains why they are now saying they're taking in fan feedback. They want to do a massive data collection. The problem is now they didn't expect this kind of vocal backlash. They wanted feedback, not a war.

Then again this is all my own theory of what happened.

Fox how do you think theyare going to handle the current war?

I couldn't say. Charging for the DLC would be a PR nightmare at this point. Forbes already pointed out if they announce it and charge for it everyone will stand up and scream "ah HA! I knew it!".

However nothing in this world is free. The cost of making a full DLC pack is exorbitant. If we ask for it for free I doubt Bioware/EA would be willing to flip the bill.

Bioware has the eyes of the world on them right now. Imagine the pressure that causes. Bioware could either make themselves out like the video game massiah or end up in a corporate management textbook detailing what not to do.

Sadly, I believe they will just remain silent and wait for as long as it takes until this goes away. At some point the media coverage will be minimal, and they will be able to focus on the new releases. However, I would not be surprised if they decide to hold any new release until this is all over...

Just remember people, they best way to make sure they understand and acknowledge us, is to NOT BUY anything from them until they do so...

/Salute

This will not go away I assure you and they can't afford to wait till it would die off. Mass Effect 3 is now only worth 30 dollars, stocks have dropped, and with so many angry customers it will not be in theri benefit to let this TRY to die. 

REMINDER!!!!!
Donate to Childs Play Retake Mass Effect 3 and be civil

Where have you seen $30? So far all I've seen is at full price at Amazon, Wal Mart, Gamestop and Origin.

If you follow the prices of games and due to the massive returns and cancled orders the GAMES price is only worth 30 dollars. Some locations are goin to try and sell it at 60 dollars.

[spacefiddle]

ashley_actually wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

@TamiBx

I understand how some of (them / us) feel about Mordin, but: Mordin's was a good death. The situation was made urgent, his expertise was made vital. It's a cheap, easy way out to kill off a redshirt or a new, throwaway character that's never developed (Tosh or whatever his name was in The Mallorean... sigh, Eddings). I know it can't have been easy for the team to decide to kill Mordin, but in such dire circumstances, some loss is fitting. And Mordin's death was beautifully done. It had meaning, it fit well.

Contrasted, of course, with the pointless silly meaningless of this unquestioning Shepard who can choose to die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything, or die and wreck everything.

No, I'm not happy with Mordin's death either on the "I like the guy" level, but I have no problem with it. A perfect exit. And it's *Mordin's* choice. Shepard's endings were neither Shepard's choice, nor mine.

I don't have a problem with characters being killed off, either. It added a lot of emotional weight to the game. To the point where, when I ran into Kai Leng for the second time, on Thessia... I developed a seething hatred for the man. Killing him was a pleasure.

Oh dude.  So with you on this.  When he was creeping up behind me and the Renegade interrupt came up, I hit it without a nanosecond's hesitation, AND IT WAS SO WORTH IT.  Even just remembering it now almost heals the damaged brain cells that store my memories of the ending.

That might be my favourite part of the game. I was yelling "That was for Thane you son of a *****" at the TV right before Shepard did. Then I laughed my butt off when she echoed me. Oh ME3 didn't we almost have it all? 

Did anyone NOT shout at the screen in murderous triumph when that happened?

[DrixDZanth]

Nilofeliu wrote...

Actually Sir, you may be the one wrong..

To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

The only part that would require further proof is related to the result in injury to the plaintiff. It would ne necessary to prove that is has caused damaged somehow. Not easy to do so, but neither entirely impossible...

They provided an ending to the series didn't they? It may not be the ending you LIKE... but where do they state, in advertising their product, that you should expect an ending different than the one delivered (or, more pedantically, the one you *want*).

I dislike the ending as much as you but there was nothing deceptive in their advertising. The game ended the series. Did it leave many questions un-answered? Sure. Was it unsatisfying? Sure. But it wasn't falsely portrayed in any game advertising.

[Nilofeliu]

Koobarex wrote...

As for the "V for Vendetta" quotes flying around:

Huh?

This isn't a protest against how the game industry works, because without game industry you wouldn't have Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3. This isn't about some capitalism-abolishing mumbo jumbo, it's about a fair protest by a bunch of customers who expected an amazing, multi-layered ending to a beloved trilogy (as promised), but got space magic and rushed plot changes that don't make any sense.

Please, don't even try turning this into a 100th little pseudo-revolution, they are popping around everywhere and are kinda'... I don't want to use strong words, so I'll just say "inappropriate to the topic in motion".

So let me ask you if you are happy as the way things are? You are happy with the product provided to you eventhough it was not the one announced?

Besides, if you took the time to read the statement you would have seen that in no moment I offend the companies or move against the capitalism that drives our economy. For instance I am in favor of it, and actually work with it. The problem I have tried to point out is that companies in the gaming industry are more interested in simple greed instead delivering quality products. They want us to believe that it is ok to sell a sub par game only because they say so. Have you any idea the kind of precedent this would create for new games? What if every game you bought from here on had the same problem? You buy the game but have no ending. Or worse, you buy a RPG and get a FPS.

The post is about accountability and respect for the customer's base, meaning us as players and consumers of their items. And if they fail to acknowledge us as what we are, we must act accordingly. In other words, me must search for the companies (and games) that offfer what we want and deliver what we paid for.

If you find that it is inappropriate to the topic in motion I can only say I am sorry, but many other members in here have read it and supported it for its value that goes beyond the scope of this game, but not beyond the needs of our community.

/Salute

[WvStolzing]

I'll bump this:
Strange conversation on Twitter:
(see both)
https://twitter.com/...178958904602624
https://twitter.com/...179861132935169

[DarthLaxian]

^^ funny...

someone (earlier on) compared the ME3 ending to receiving a Picasso when you wanted a Rembrandt I'd say it is more like wanting to buy and aircraft-carrier and receiving a floating tire instead or wanting to buy a house and getting sleeping bag!

why am I that negative?

well, after pulling through the game, i looked back and i think the game made many more misstakes, then just having very very very bad endings (that was the worst misstake and - sad but most likely true - the only one they might be able to set right - for the rest a.k.a. not doing what they should have IMHO, they would have to toss the whole game out an make a new one!...here you may look up some of the things i am talking about, which would have IMHO lead to a better experience (and to the game being the best computer game to date!):

http://social.biowar...5/index/9872881

as they can not do that IMHO (again, sadly...they could have made a game that could have blown star wars (like an interactive movie - with you shaping things and it could still have had hard battles, but also loads of cutscenes (more battles etc.)) out of the water (a whole new level of experience IMHO), but no...well, too bad, so back to:

HOLDING THE GOD-DAMED LINE...

greetings LAX
ps: i might demand a lot of a computergame nowadays, but the technology has advanced far enough now, that something like "interactive star wars", with you playing the main characters (maybe even the antagonists (which will become the protagonists, if you chose to play them more then the "good guys")) and thus seing stuff from all sides...maybe not from the reapers side, but you could have had to play TIM part time (that might have been a blast)...IMHO - yes, you may tell me off for that later - only the consoles (7 year old technology...my PC is faster then 4 X-Boxes together IMHO) are holding us down ATM - well and the companies not wanting to produce something so grand, as that would be expensive (i mean really expensive - like "Avatar"-expensive, to take a very expensive movie to base my estimate on!) and risky (would have been minimal here with ME3 as it would have had the advantage of an established franchise!)

[DarthLaxian]

DarthLaxian wrote...

^^ funny...

someone (earlier on) compared the ME3 ending to receiving a Picasso when you wanted a Rembrandt I'd say it is more like wanting to buy and aircraft-carrier and receiving a floating tire instead or wanting to buy a house and getting sleeping bag!

why am I that negative?

well, after pulling through the game, i looked back and i think the game made many more misstakes, then just having very very very bad endings (that was the worst misstake and - sad but most likely true - the only one they might be able to set right - for the rest a.k.a. not doing what they should have IMHO, they would have to toss the whole game out an make a new one!...here you may look up some of the things i am talking about, which would have IMHO lead to a better experience (and to the game being the best computer game to date!):

http://social.biowar...5/index/9872881

as they can not do that IMHO (again, sadly...they could have made a game that could have blown star wars (like an interactive movie - with you shaping things and it could still have had hard battles, but also loads of cutscenes (more battles etc.)) out of the water (a whole new level of experience IMHO), but no...well, too bad, so back to:

HOLDING THE GOD-DAMED LINE...

greetings LAX
ps: i might demand a lot of a computergame nowadays, but the technology has advanced far enough now, that something like "interactive star wars" would be possible (maybe not with 100% fotorealism, but close enough!), with you playing the main characters (maybe even the antagonists (which will become the protagonists, if you chose to play them more then the "good guys")) and thus seing stuff from all sides...maybe not from the reapers side, but you could have had to play TIM part time (that might have been a blast)...IMHO - yes, you may tell me off for that later - only the consoles (7 year old technology...my PC is faster then 4 X-Boxes together IMHO) are holding us down ATM - well and the companies not wanting to produce something so grand, as that would be expensive (i mean really expensive - like "Avatar"-expensive, to take a very expensive movie to base my estimate on!) and risky (would have been minimal here with ME3 as it would have had the advantage of an established franchise!)

argh - self-quote...getting tired already (have just gotten up (well, about 2 hours ago!)

greetings LAX
ps: ignore it - can't find the delete button if there is one

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 15 mars 2012 - 06:47 .