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[SkaldFish]

Before I turn in, just one more comment. This is just my opinion, so... FWIW:

I get uneasy when I see discussions about legal action. I understand the sentiment, believe me, but it's not likely they would be taken well by our hosts. I don't know about other countries, but in the US, software license agreements lock everything down pretty tight. When you install and run software, you basically agree to accept it as-is. Doesn't matter how it was represented in advertising, how it performs, how buggy it is, anything. Most people click through these agreements without reading them, but they pretty much say that you agree to hold the vendor completely blameless no matter what happens when those bits hit the CPU.

Consumer protection statutes in the US offer some broad rights, but not much more than repair/refund if defective and the right to publicly disclose product problems / issues without fear of prosecution or punitive action. At least that's my understanding, but I'm not an attorney.

Like I said, I understand the frustration and I'm not trying to be critical. Just suggesting that litigious behavior seems risky when we're asking a vendor to do something they don't have to do.

G'night all.

[WvStolzing]

BuRnInICE wrote...

Shepard has become a legend (In Blue/Green) and his sacrifice has now made him more important than anything in the galaxy. It is bittersweet but necessary and who better to decide the fate of the galaxy? I never expected the game to end happily, it was leading up to a very gloomy moment. I had hoped he would conquer the cycle, but you could just see how much was against you and that greater matters were now at stake. It was no longer about humanity. You and your friends became insignificant to the fate of the galaxy. Chaos must be stopped/managed. I felt quite proud of my character and his sacrifice. It was poeticaly beautiful. Sad as well. All has not been lost though. (Liara is going to have little blue Shepards on a beautiful new planet )

It now brings more meaning to the name they chose "Shepard"

This idea, which you've articulated so well, was not implemented properly in-game.
That's the kind of failure that most people are complaining about here.

 It was no longer about humanity. You and your friends became insignificant to the fate of the galaxy.

absolutely; but what does the arbitrary beam, arbitrary knockout, arbitrary godkid, arbitary TIM, arbitrary teleportation of the crew, etc. have to do with any of this?

[toots1221]

SkaldFish wrote...

Before I turn in, just one more comment. This is just my opinion, so... FWIW:

I get uneasy when I see discussions about legal action. I understand the sentiment, believe me, but it's not likely they would be taken well by our hosts. I don't know about other countries, but in the US, software license agreements lock everything down pretty tight. When you install and run software, you basically agree to accept it as-is. Doesn't matter how it was represented in advertising, how it performs, how buggy it is, anything. Most people click through these agreements without reading them, but they pretty much say that you agree to hold the vendor completely blameless no matter what happens when those bits hit the CPU.

Consumer protection statutes in the US offer some broad rights, but not much more than repair/refund if defective and the right to publicly disclose product problems / issues without fear of prosecution or punitive action. At least that's my understanding, but I'm not an attorney.

Like I said, I understand the frustration and I'm not trying to be critical. Just suggesting that litigious behavior seems risky when we're asking a vendor to do something they don't have to do.

G'night all.

I totally agree with this. I don't like this talk of suing Bioware. It's not going to work and it can only hurt our cause.

[DBHErazor]

The fact that there has not been any response what so ever from Bioware is just sad

[DBHErazor]

toots1221 wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

Before I turn in, just one more comment. This is just my opinion, so... FWIW:

I get uneasy when I see discussions about legal action. I understand the sentiment, believe me, but it's not likely they would be taken well by our hosts. I don't know about other countries, but in the US, software license agreements lock everything down pretty tight. When you install and run software, you basically agree to accept it as-is. Doesn't matter how it was represented in advertising, how it performs, how buggy it is, anything. Most people click through these agreements without reading them, but they pretty much say that you agree to hold the vendor completely blameless no matter what happens when those bits hit the CPU.

Consumer protection statutes in the US offer some broad rights, but not much more than repair/refund if defective and the right to publicly disclose product problems / issues without fear of prosecution or punitive action. At least that's my understanding, but I'm not an attorney.

Like I said, I understand the frustration and I'm not trying to be critical. Just suggesting that litigious behavior seems risky when we're asking a vendor to do something they don't have to do.

G'night all.

I totally agree with this. I don't like this talk of suing Bioware. It's not going to work and it can only hurt our cause.

Agreed, legal action can only be detrimental to our cause, just keep pushing, send emails, send letters, tweet at them etc etc

[Gbentley]

Anyone else notice in the codex subject for indoctrination it mentions hallucinations of "ghostly" presences? 
If I remember correctly... Doesn't Sheppard see a "ghostly" presence?

Modifié par Gbentley, 15 mars 2012 - 07:55 .

[Rappeldrache]

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KOTAKU compares the differend endings:

http://kotaku.com/58...about/gallery/2

Hmmm my english is not really good, but somehow .... is Kotaku finally on our side now?


PS: Got the information from this very good german Gamersite:
http://www.gamecapta..._Vergleich.html

The german "GameCaptain" is writing about our fight from the first "moment". I really love them! <3


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Modifié par Rappeldrache, 15 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[NPH11]

Rappeldrache wrote...

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KOTAKU compares the differend endings:

http://kotaku.com/58...about/gallery/2

Hmmm my english is not really good, but somehow .... is Kotaku finally on our side now?

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It's that Luke guy. He's with us in that the endings suck, but he believes we are being selfish to demand Bioware to change their "art"

Which, again, raises the question why he would use his position to complain about the endings if he doesn't want them change.

Modifié par NPH11, 15 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[DazenCobalt17]

BuRnInICE wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Just remember you are being told along the way (especially by Javik) that countless species have tried and failed to end the reaper cycle. You're being told that it's bigger than humanity, it's bigger than anything you can imagine. You reach the pinnacle of the cycle and you make it further than any have before. You are a tiny spec of existance in the galaxy, but you still make it. Shepard has become a legend (In Blue/Green) and his sacrifice has now made him more important than anything in the galaxy. It is bittersweet but necessary and who better to decide the fate of the galaxy? I never expected the game to end happily, it was leading up to a very gloomy moment. I had hoped he would conquer the cycle, but you could just see how much was against you and that greater matters were now at stake. It was no longer about humanity. You and your friends became insignificant to the fate of the galaxy. Chaos must be stopped/managed. I felt quite proud of my character and his sacrifice. It was poeticaly beautiful. Sad as well. All has not been lost though. (Liara is going to have little blue Shepards on a beautiful new planet )

It now brings more meaning to the name they chose "Shepard"

I think a lot of us accepted the strong possibility that our Shepard would die but....*shakes head* anyway, Liara having kids on a remote planet? You do realize the repercussions of this don't you?

[DarthLaxian]

McBeath wrote...

@DarthLaxian...

To be fair it is unfortunate that people hate the endings(though rightfully so) in the sence that somebody(Dev Team) released this product HOPEFULL that we'd love it.

Nobody works that hard and that long on something wanting it to be rejected. Unfortunately sometimes that is the case.

What remains to be seen is if they have it in them to admit that while they tried thier best it wasn't good enough, and they need to go back and finish strong. To me that would show that they really do care and have enough integrity to admit they made a mistake. I think they have it in them, even if they aren't permitted to say it just yet.

Holding the Line... respectfully. Cheers. McBeath.

yes - initially I was agreeing with you on this one!

BUT:

I looked up the leak, which was "ages" ago and they could see the reactions (yes, that occured when most of the stuff was done for - but they could have pushed back the launch say 6 months - I guess most would have accepted that, if they showed of the endings they had as spoiler (they were out of the bag anyway)...

hell, some people were in denial - you could be, as they didn't really confirm the leak, otherwise they would have had a threat like this (meaning a strong reaction to the endings) much earlier (i know people who didn't comment because they did not believe and now think it is to late)...so, they are hurting themselves with not commenting....

others thought they would change it (me included!) after they got told of!

and some believed the leak was a fake...

so yeah, they whacked themselves on the head with the baseball-bat and now we shall pay for their medical-treatment?...sorry, but:

NO WAY (at least i do not want to - i will, because the game needs a good ending, but they should pay for it themselves IMHO!)

greetings LAX

[Rappeldrache]

NPH11 wrote...

Rappeldrache wrote...

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KOTAKU compares the differend endings:

http://kotaku.com/58...about/gallery/2

Hmmm my english is not really good, but somehow .... is Kotaku finally on our side now?

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It's that Luke guy. He's with us in that the endings suck, but he believes we are being selfish to demand Bioware to change their "art"

Which, again, raises the question why he would use his position to complain about the endings if he doesn't want them change.

I think it's selfish from Bioware to take our money for something like this!!

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[Nayt Navare]

You know, three weeks ago, I did nothing but play Miracle of Sound and watch fan trailers. Now, I find myself dreading picking up that controller to continue.

All because of the endings, the the silence that followed. A simple "DLC is coming" and I could finish, but right now, I just know I'd walking my Shepard into a sad end.

[Faceless Minion]

toots1221 wrote...I totally agree with this. I don't like this talk of suing Bioware. It's not going to work and it can only hurt our cause.

Exactly. 

The only benefit that can come from someone suing Bioware over this issue is that it will shine a bright beacon of light on a person that is simply too well-destined for the Darwin Awards to be long for this world.

Unfortunately, even talking about considering legal action is idiotic enough that it helps paint the entire movement in a negative light, making itself into another talking point to allow our detractors to trivialize this.

[Alikan]

"starts the morning vigil with coffee and rewatching Mass Deffect7...poor, poor Conrad"...

[bunnyteefs]

I've been following this thread since the beginning and I just want to say how amazing it is that all of us are banded together as such a strong unit, keeping each other on our feet, pushing morale up and holding the line!

I love you guys, we'll hold this damn line until the end and do what it takes!

[die-yng]

I agree, that a sacrifice ending is an acceptable way of ending a game.

One way. Like with DA:O. You HAVE to have the chance at more positive endings, but even if you discount that, we should still get closure and we should get to see our choices, deeds and decisions change the outcome, like we were promised. Legal or not.

That's why I'm going to hold the line.

Modifié par die-yng, 15 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[SpectreVeldt]

Been watching this thread for a couple days now, but am going to chime in now because I agree with others that talk of suing Bioware is not only ridiculous, but puerile; it would only hurt your cause.

[alberta]

If anyone ever wondered why we don't hire "artistic" individuals in the oil business - ME 3 will give you all the reasons why in the world.

[WvStolzing]

Faceless Minion wrote...

Unfortunately, even talking about considering legal action is idiotic enough that it helps paint the entire movement in a negative light, making itself into another talking point to allow our detractors to trivialize this.

Enter thought police for a smarter world.

Can you cite ONE post where someone suggests that we actually go and sue them?

[Dj14365]

SSV Cleveland signing off for hopefully the last time tonight. Hold the line!

[infinitekilan]

NPH11 wrote...

Rappeldrache wrote...

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KOTAKU compares the differend endings:

http://kotaku.com/58...about/gallery/2

Hmmm my english is not really good, but somehow .... is Kotaku finally on our side now?

.

It's that Luke guy. He's with us in that the endings suck, but he believes we are being selfish to demand Bioware to change their "art"

Which, again, raises the question why he would use his position to complain about the endings if he doesn't want them change.

Art? Sure. But what good is art that nobody wants?

More than art, the games represent the business. Unhappy customers are bad for business. Plain and simple.

[NPH11]

Even if someone wanted to sue Bioware, what're they gonna sue them for? The ending not being good enough?

WvStolzing wrote...

Enter thought police for a smarter world.

Can you cite ONE post where someone suggests that we actually go and sue them?

I saw somebody suggest it yesterday.

I am completely serious.

[Myskal1981]

Maybe Bioware wants us to experience the textbook five stages of loss and grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Each and one of us is in (at least) one of these stages. If that is what Casey Hudson wanted to achieve, well kudos, it was an utter success.

I never thought that a video game could evoke such emotions. There are in line with the best movies or books and IMO lifts the genre to a new level. We should appreciate it

Now, whether BW "saves" us from these stages, I don't know, here is hoping (as you can see I'm in Denial, Bargaining and Depression all at once :-))

[Daashi]

Dj14365 wrote...

Daashi wrote...

I am desperately holding the line.

I keep on hearing about how people will buy DLC if it would fix the ending.

I was sold ME3 on the promise that is was a complete game, and now if it turns out that I was sold an incomplete game and the ending of the game is being held hostage and I have to pay a ransom for it. While I might buy the DLC ending (because 5 years, 200+ hours of gameplay, $300+ (AUD) I spent, I need an ending), BW and EA can kiss any money I might have thrown their way in the future goodbye.

From what I can gather that is the overall message people are trying to express.

I am a really ardent Sims fan and yet I haven't bought any Sims product in almost 2 years simply because while the Maxis product is really good EA has kind-of turned it into; "hey we have these 5 objects and 5 wallpapers that we didn't put on the last disc of 5 objects and 5 floors because we want another $15-$20 off you. It's getting really disgusting.

[Chatboy 91]

Well guys, it's getting late. I should probably go to bed. To those in this thread, those who are watching, and those who support our cause, Hold the line.

Edmonton Infiltration Force out.