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[WvStolzing]

NPH11 wrote...

I saw somebody suggest it yesterday.

I am completely serious.

Well, that's idiotic.

But talking about a possibility of the sort in general----e.g. asking, 'guys, is this even legal?' 'yes it is' 'oh, alright then'----is not. Which is what the latest discussion was about.

Modifié par WvStolzing, 15 mars 2012 - 08:05 .

[Demonburnt]

Myskal1981 wrote...

Maybe Bioware wants us to experience the textbook five stages of loss and grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Still stuck and will be stuck in Denial and anger.

Started comparing everything bad to mass effect 3s ending today.

*on the news* 4 school class rooms burned worth more than 1 million dollars in damage.
Me: Could be worse... might be like mass effect 3's ending.

[Wiltz]

Myskal1981 wrote...

Maybe Bioware wants us to experience the textbook five stages of loss and grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Really, I went denial, depression, anger, depression, denial, anger, acceptance, depression, depression. And that was in the credits

[KaiserinKai]

Demonburnt wrote...

Myskal1981 wrote...

Maybe Bioware wants us to experience the textbook five stages of loss and grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Still stuck and will be stuck in Denial and anger.

Started comparing everything bad to mass effect 3s ending today.

*on the news* 4 school class rooms burned worth more than 1 million dollars in damage.
Me: Could be worse... might be like mass effect 3's ending.

I keep bouncing between the first 4 stages, almost in a loop

[Rappeldrache]

German site write about Ending (Kotaku film):

http://www.gamecapta..._Vergleich.html

.

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Modifié par Rappeldrache, 15 mars 2012 - 08:05 .

[beyondsolo]

infinitekilan wrote...

NPH11 wrote...

Rappeldrache wrote...

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KOTAKU compares the differend endings:

http://kotaku.com/58...about/gallery/2

Hmmm my english is not really good, but somehow .... is Kotaku finally on our side now?

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It's that Luke guy. He's with us in that the endings suck, but he believes we are being selfish to demand Bioware to change their "art"

Which, again, raises the question why he would use his position to complain about the endings if he doesn't want them change.

Art? Sure. But what good is art that nobody wants?

More than art, the games represent the business. Unhappy customers are bad for business. Plain and simple.

Okay, I have to say it. Anyone who bases their argumentation in favor of the endings on artist authority has effectively missed the development of art in the past forty years. One of the reasons why Mass Effect is modern and important as a product is because it's influenced by the fans, because there is interaction, because the people who play it also shape the universe to some degree, both in development and in gameplay.

In addition to that, as somebody else pointed out two hundred or so pages ago, it's quite a claim to speak of art with a consumer product like a game. I do think that there is art involved in Mass Effect, but it's not the work of an autonomous genius in the classic sense.

[die-yng]

Myskal1981 wrote...
I never thought that a video game could evoke such emotions. There are in line with the best movies or books and IMO lifts the genre to a new level. We should appreciate it.

At first we became emotionally involved for all the right reasons, it was  a proof of Bioware's skills, now we are emotionally involved for the wrong reasons, because the ending makes us suffer.

And I really mean suffer, I actually had tears in my eyes, when I saw those stupid endings and I'm totally drained now, emotionwise.


To think, that up until a few hours ago my biggest problem with the game was the way they had delivered Tali's face.
Actually it kind of fits with the endings in a way. Both things seem like rushed, half-arsed jobs, just to get it done, no matter how weak or wrong it is.

Modifié par die-yng, 15 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[Rolling Flame]

I went into the depression stage immediately, sometimes reverting into bargaining, but have mostly stayed in depression.

[infinitekilan]

beyondsolo wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

NPH11 wrote...

Rappeldrache wrote...

.

KOTAKU compares the differend endings:

http://kotaku.com/58...about/gallery/2

Hmmm my english is not really good, but somehow .... is Kotaku finally on our side now?

.

It's that Luke guy. He's with us in that the endings suck, but he believes we are being selfish to demand Bioware to change their "art"

Which, again, raises the question why he would use his position to complain about the endings if he doesn't want them change.

Art? Sure. But what good is art that nobody wants?

More than art, the games represent the business. Unhappy customers are bad for business. Plain and simple.

Okay, I have to say it. Anyone who bases their argumentation in favor of the endings on artist authority has effectively missed the development of art in the past forty years. One of the reasons why Mass Effect is modern and important as a product is because it's influenced by the fans, because there is interaction, because the people who play it also shape the universe to some degree, both in development and in gameplay.

In addition to that, as somebody else pointed out two hundred or so pages ago, it's quite a claim to speak of art with a consumer product like a game. I do think that there is art involved in Mass Effect, but it's not the work of an autonomous genius in the classic sense.

Agreed. I can understand calling it art in the sense that the level of interaction and emotional involvement in a game like this is entirely unprecedented. It takes a special kind of amazing to pull something like that off.

But as I've said in a couple posts before, taking a sci-fi trilogy in which the lore is centered around SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY, then ending it all with a heaping dose of MYSTICISM, is absurd.

The only feasible explanation for any of it is the indoctrination theory, which is just about the only thing that's even keeping the slightest glimmer of hope within the depths of my crushed soul.

[DifferentD17]

“Never before have so many come together from all quarters of the internet. But never before have we faced an enemy such as this. The rEApers will show us no mercy, we must give them no quarter. They will
terrorize our populations. We must stand fast in the face of that
terror. They will advance until our last city falls, but we will not
fall. We will prevail. Each of us will be defined by our actions in the
coming battle. Stand fast, stand strong. Stand together. Hackett out.”


Tweaked. ;D

[toots1221]

Myskal1981 wrote...

Maybe Bioware wants us to experience the textbook five stages of loss and grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Each and one of us is in (at least) one of these stages. If that is what Casey Hudson wanted to achieve, well kudos, it was an utter success.

I never thought that a video game could evoke such emotions. There are in line with the best movies or books and IMO lifts the genre to a new level. We should appreciate it

Now, whether BW "saves" us from these stages, I don't know, here is hoping (as you can see I'm in Denial, Bargaining and Depression all at once :-))

This is how I've felt since finishing the game.
http://www.escapistm...t-3-The-Process

[KaiserinKai]

Don't give up people, KEEP HOLDING THAT LINE!

[KLGChaos]

beyondsolo wrote...

infinitekilan wrote...

NPH11 wrote...

Rappeldrache wrote...

.

KOTAKU compares the differend endings:

http://kotaku.com/58...about/gallery/2

Hmmm my english is not really good, but somehow .... is Kotaku finally on our side now?

.

It's that Luke guy. He's with us in that the endings suck, but he believes we are being selfish to demand Bioware to change their "art"

Which, again, raises the question why he would use his position to complain about the endings if he doesn't want them change.

Art? Sure. But what good is art that nobody wants?

More than art, the games represent the business. Unhappy customers are bad for business. Plain and simple.

Okay, I have to say it. Anyone who bases their argumentation in favor of the endings on artist authority has effectively missed the development of art in the past forty years. One of the reasons why Mass Effect is modern and important as a product is because it's influenced by the fans, because there is interaction, because the people who play it also shape the universe to some degree, both in development and in gameplay.

In addition to that, as somebody else pointed out two hundred or so pages ago, it's quite a claim to speak of art with a consumer product like a game. I do think that there is art involved in Mass Effect, but it's not the work of an autonomous genius in the classic sense.

I have to agree. There's a big difference between going to a movie and playing a game. With movies, you're a passive spectator. With games, you're an active participant. While I firmly agree that games can be art, it's an interactive form of art. Mass Effect goes beyond that, though. With something like a CoD game, nothing you do really shapes anything-- you're just someone who goes along on rails. In many ways, though you're playing the game, you're just as much a passive spectator to the events around you. Mass Effect has always been different. You're choices matter and they shape the galaxy around you. It's one of the biggest selling points of the game. The choices are part of the art. Suddenly throwing all that out of the window is like ruining your masterpiece that you spent years creating by splattering a can of paint on it and calling it "art".

As for the stages, I went straight from disappointment to apathy. Which is bad. I should care what happens to the characters, but I no longer do as I know nothing I do can change anything.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 15 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Goodwood]

Tali & Shep's reaction, in 5 seconds

[Myskal1981]

toots1221 wrote...

Myskal1981 wrote...

Maybe Bioware wants us to experience the textbook five stages of loss and grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Each and one of us is in (at least) one of these stages. If that is what Casey Hudson wanted to achieve, well kudos, it was an utter success.

I never thought that a video game could evoke such emotions. There are in line with the best movies or books and IMO lifts the genre to a new level. We should appreciate it

Now, whether BW "saves" us from these stages, I don't know, here is hoping (as you can see I'm in Denial, Bargaining and Depression all at once :-))

This is how I've felt since finishing the game.
http://www.escapistm...t-3-The-Process

ah yes, perfect, nice comic.
Apparantely only those players liking the endings reached the acceptance stage.

Still, very impressive that a video game was able to evoke it.

[evisneffo]

The cryptic tweets give me the ****s. If we're being trolled, that's just as poor as this ending. I bought ME3. I didn't buy the experience of being trolled. And reluctant as I would be to pay for a fix to an incomplete game, I'd hate the thought of the talent and the blameless staff not being paid for their work.

Anyway, carry on, keep it civil, hold the line etc. etc. etc. OH and to the person a few pages back who said they were getting a tumour in the shape of a Reaper, thanks for the laugh.

[DBHErazor]

bunnyteefs wrote...

I've been following this thread since the beginning and I just want to say how amazing it is that all of us are banded together as such a strong unit, keeping each other on our feet, pushing morale up and holding the line!

I love you guys, we'll hold this damn line until the end and do what it takes!

Hear hear!

[Palathas]

All I can say is, "Mordin got his sample all right. Let's just say his scalpel cut where scalpels aren't supposed to cut!"

[KaiserinKai]

Goodwood wrote...

Tali & Shep's reaction, in 5 seconds

*ClapClapClapClap*

I agree with this 100%

[Byakuren2009]

KaiserinKai wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Tali & Shep's reaction, in 5 seconds

*ClapClapClapClap*

I agree with this 100%

+1000

[MartinPenwald]

I've been playing games for over 20 years now, but ME3 is the first one where I wish I had never played it.

It's kinda sad if a trilogy like Gears of War is better at providing a proper end and closure for its characters than the ME series.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

[Hiyanu]

It's getting annoying that BW knows there's a lot of us that hate their ending and they do one of three things...
ask us what it is we don't like which is blatantly obvious
or
ask what we did like about the game which again mostly obvious (its a great game pardon the ending)
or
ignore.

All this 'feedback' they are asking for is right here and we the bulk of people who gathered to get some kind of answer are left in the darkness and feels like we're just being shooed off to the side like an annoying mosquito.

Where's the love?

Modifié par Hiyanu, 15 mars 2012 - 08:26 .