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[Unit-Alpha]

Pathero wrote...

Fun fact: You ain't entitled to anything regarding the ending. Look at this and conceptualize in your mind Game of Thrones et al. Nobody is safe from getting deaded. I'll make the choices I want not because I want the 'best' ending but because they are the choices I made.
You have made the choice, you must take the medicine. I fully support whatever comes. Bad or good I made the choices not because I wanted sunshine and roses but because morally I felt they were right. If you made the choices because you wanted everything to be okay and now feel cheated because there is a chance that it won't, well tough. Life ain't roses.

...except the choices we made are meaningless. That's the problem.

[JeffZero]

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

We're looking at 99% odds it isn't true right now. The space launch guy is busily doing a NG+ run but when he extracted the game's files he found no evidence to support that. The rumor itself was spurred from a dude who claims to own the Prima guide but hasn't posted any proof of it, and once I heard his exact words I feel strongly that they only echo the 'optimum path' and have nothing to do with NG+.

[Arch1eviathan]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
So what if Liara has a SB base on the SR 2 now . when at the end the SR 2 gets destroyed in a crash landing on a remote planet and all on it will eventually die . what you do in the game is pointless when its all but preparing to die 

You guys are depressing. So nihilistic. It's not about the end, it's about getting there. We all knew this was Shepard and crews final journey, we knew they had impossible odds. We knew we wouldn't likely see any of them, or their ship, again.

No, we did not. We expected our choices to have meaning.

Funny you should mention that.  Many people wish that their choices in life would have meaning, yet they often don't.  Sometimes things unfold contrary to how you want them to no matter what decisions you make, and you just have to compensate for those events and live with them.  Does it suck?  You bet your backside it does, but it happens.

Yes, it'd be a great feeling to see a happy ending for Shepard and his allies, but with the stakes being as high as they are this time around, it certainly has to be acknowledged that the preservation of Earth and the rest of the galaxy may come with a terrible cost.  In the end, you may believe you made all the right choices, gathered the allies you needed, got all the weapons you needed...but the battle had to end with a drastic, shocking choice that would change everything.  It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

And please, don't waste energy telling me "this is a video game, it's not supposed to reflect real life".   That argument has about as much durability as a kleenex in a monsoon.  Bioware's games have been about consequences of actions taken, good or bad.  This is just the biggest example yet.  

Given your games list, I'm pretty sure I know Bioware better than you. Fine, they are about consequences... so tell me how our actions from ME1 or ME2 have consequences in the ending?

None of us can answer that until we've played the game. Our decisions could effect the last installment in a number of ways, through in game cutscenes along the way to "war assets" that effects the overall ending.  

[JeffZero]

zestyshade wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Fun fact: You ain't entitled to anything regarding the ending. Look at this and conceptualize in your mind Game of Thrones et al. Nobody is safe from getting deaded. I'll make the choices I want not because I want the 'best' ending but because they are the choices I made.
You have made the choice, you must take the medicine. I fully support whatever comes. Bad or good I made the choices not because I wanted sunshine and roses but because morally I felt they were right. If you made the choices because you wanted everything to be okay and now feel cheated because there is a chance that it won't, well tough. Life ain't roses.

That series is amazing! I love the author with balls to kill major characters left and right

I love me some Game of Thrones, but I think if its finale is anything like nuBSG's (which I'm sure it will be: doom and gloom is its calling card) people are still going to flip.

So in the case of an interactive RPG? People are going to flip.

[gogman25]

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

We're looking at 99% odds it's true right now. 

Fixed for you, you made a typo.

[KateKane]

zestyshade wrote...

So what exactly is wrong with destroyed Mass Relays? Seems only fitting for the technology that helped propagate the Reaper dominion would go the way of Reapers.

It means the collapse of galactic civilization, and is completely unavoidable.

It ends the series by tearing down the entire game world, and your choices ultimately mean almost nothing.

[panamakira]

JeffZero wrote...

panamakira wrote...

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

Okay, I'm okay with the "ultimate sacrifice". Just give my Shepard and his crew a chance to die together. I don't know, throwing the Normandy against the ultimate reaper or something... I don't care how. Just let me see them telling Shepard, looking at his eyes: "It was an honour to fight at your side Commander!", or the opposite, Shepard telling everyone through the "intercom" that it was an honour to have them by his side. Them Joker throws the Normandy at whatever... This would be bittersweet. The other endings are just bitter, with no sweet.

This is so sad and tragic to me but I believe THIS to be the best ending for the 7 terrible possible endings we got. If Shep has to die no matter what and can't reunite and rebuild the galaxy with her crew (which I'm heartbroken about) then the best possible ending is for everyone to die together.

I can't belive we can't even control the fate of our crew. Really? Fine Shep has to die no matter what? But leave the crew stranded in some unknown planet? 

Er, one of the 'Destroy' endings allows Shepard to live.

Riiiiight~ At what cost? Hey I'm alive and my crew is stranded forever in some forsaken planet. No thanks~ I'd rather go all out, take as many reapers as I can, as long as my crew is either good on Earth or take them with me, and hope one day those who are left can travel across the galaxy again.....

Gosh, where did my escapism go....

[Obidex]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

Nope, there isn't.

Last I checked there was, but that was from Strat guy

[Jacy Pane]

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

I really expected more variation in these endings. I think I have seen more variation in my underwear draw

^Agreed

[Unit-Alpha]

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
So what if Liara has a SB base on the SR 2 now . when at the end the SR 2 gets destroyed in a crash landing on a remote planet and all on it will eventually die . what you do in the game is pointless when its all but preparing to die 

You guys are depressing. So nihilistic. It's not about the end, it's about getting there. We all knew this was Shepard and crews final journey, we knew they had impossible odds. We knew we wouldn't likely see any of them, or their ship, again.

No, we did not. We expected our choices to have meaning.

Funny you should mention that.  Many people wish that their choices in life would have meaning, yet they often don't.  Sometimes things unfold contrary to how you want them to no matter what decisions you make, and you just have to compensate for those events and live with them.  Does it suck?  You bet your backside it does, but it happens.

Yes, it'd be a great feeling to see a happy ending for Shepard and his allies, but with the stakes being as high as they are this time around, it certainly has to be acknowledged that the preservation of Earth and the rest of the galaxy may come with a terrible cost.  In the end, you may believe you made all the right choices, gathered the allies you needed, got all the weapons you needed...but the battle had to end with a drastic, shocking choice that would change everything.  It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

And please, don't waste energy telling me "this is a video game, it's not supposed to reflect real life".   That argument has about as much durability as a kleenex in a monsoon.  Bioware's games have been about consequences of actions taken, good or bad.  This is just the biggest example yet.  

Given your games list, I'm pretty sure I know Bioware better than you. Fine, they are about consequences... so tell me how our actions from ME1 or ME2 have consequences in the ending?

None of us can answer that until we've played the game. Our decisions could effect the last installment in a number of ways, through in game cutscenes along the way to "war assets" that effects the overall ending.  

...war assets? Are you kidding me? Those are really meaningful. It's like the mining mini-game now. Unless you seriously blow it out of the water, you have three main choices, none of which actually account for what we've done in ME1 or ME2.

I'm not taking about a slight cutscene difference, I'm talking about the story itself.

[gogman25]

KateKane wrote...

zestyshade wrote...

So what exactly is wrong with destroyed Mass Relays? Seems only fitting for the technology that helped propagate the Reaper dominion would go the way of Reapers.

It means the collapse of galactic civilization, and is completely unavoidable.

It ends the series by tearing down the entire game world, and your choices ultimately mean almost nothing.

This. "Cool, so you averted the crisis and saved the galaxy. Now let's rip up the story and burn it and throw it in the bin, howsabout that?"

[Unit-Alpha]

Obidex wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

Nope, there isn't.

Last I checked there was, but that was from Strat guy

The people with the actual game have pretty much confirmed there isn't.

[Dariustwinblade]

Pathero wrote...

Fun fact: You ain't entitled to anything regarding the ending. Look at this and conceptualize in your mind Game of Thrones et al. Nobody is safe from getting deaded. I'll make the choices I want not because I want the 'best' ending but because they are the choices I made.
You have made the choice, you must take the medicine. I fully support whatever comes. Bad or good I made the choices not because I wanted sunshine and roses but because morally I felt they were right. If you made the choices because you wanted everything to be okay and now feel cheated because there is a chance that it won't, well tough. Life ain't roses.

Fun fact people paid for the game that was PROMISED THEM CHOICES. When it dosen't hold up to the promise people have the right and are entitled to GET THEIR MONEY BACK. Games are not art! They are products ment for entertainment like toys. If toys are faulty and doesnot do as they are promised then the customer has the RIGHT to complain and want their money and effort back.

[Persona RED]

I actually guessed that this would be the ending. It's really the only one that makes sense to me but, understand why people would want otherwise. People want to feel that their decisions mattered, but there are outcomes that are unavoidable, no matter what came before. Not everyone is going to be satisfied, as everyone's expectation is different. If you go in demanding that you get an ending that reflects your Shepard specifically, you're going to be disappointed.

In fact, I believe many people will be disappointed. Some more than others, and they shall express that. It happens.

[ravenrena]

Obidex wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

Nope, there isn't.

Last I checked there was, but that was from Strat guy

There isn't people have gone through the leaked games files these are the only endings. Here's hoping for good ending dlc.

[Tietj]

KateKane wrote...

zestyshade wrote...

So what exactly is wrong with destroyed Mass Relays? Seems only fitting for the technology that helped propagate the Reaper dominion would go the way of Reapers.

It means the collapse of galactic civilization, and is completely unavoidable.

It ends the series by tearing down the entire game world, and your choices ultimately mean almost nothing.

Well, they don't, of course, mean nothing.  The quarians would probably disagree, and the Krogan, and the Rachni, and the Geth, and the Reapers, and the inhabitants of Earth, and probably a lot of other races that I'm not thinking of right now.  But, as to the fate of the characters we all know by name, I see your point.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Pathero wrote...

Fun fact: You ain't entitled to anything regarding the ending. Look at this and conceptualize in your mind Game of Thrones et al. Nobody is safe from getting deaded. I'll make the choices I want not because I want the 'best' ending but because they are the choices I made.
You have made the choice, you must take the medicine. I fully support whatever comes. Bad or good I made the choices not because I wanted sunshine and roses but because morally I felt they were right. If you made the choices because you wanted everything to be okay and now feel cheated because there is a chance that it won't, well tough. Life ain't roses.

Except...Game of Thrones is a novel where choice isn't implied.

[Obidex]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Obidex wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

Nope, there isn't.

Last I checked there was, but that was from Strat guy

The people with the actual game have pretty much confirmed there isn't.

Gonna go ahead and assume they haven't played through every possible way. Data mining can only do so much if a developer wants to keep something hidden. So if the strat says there is one I'm gonna go ahead and hope that is true.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

"It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.
 
He added: "I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."
 
Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.
 
"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people."

Sigh... Like someone already said "I love marketing".

[Unit-Alpha]

Guys, let's stop with the "unavoidable outcomes" thing. Truth is, it's because EA pushed Bioware to get it out the door, or the writers got lazy.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 février 2012 - 07:38 .

[marstor05]

Ramming Speed......

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

i think we all knew that me3 was ****ed the moment we realised that there would be a - dear god, do i say it...

"STORY MODE"

[gogman25]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Pathero wrote...

Fun fact: You ain't entitled to anything regarding the ending. Look at this and conceptualize in your mind Game of Thrones et al. Nobody is safe from getting deaded. I'll make the choices I want not because I want the 'best' ending but because they are the choices I made.
You have made the choice, you must take the medicine. I fully support whatever comes. Bad or good I made the choices not because I wanted sunshine and roses but because morally I felt they were right. If you made the choices because you wanted everything to be okay and now feel cheated because there is a chance that it won't, well tough. Life ain't roses.

Fun fact people paid for the game that was PROMISED THEM CHOICES. When it dosen't hold up to the promise people have the right and are entitled to GET THEIR MONEY BACK. Games are not art! They are products ment for entertainment like toys. If toys are faulty and doesnot do as they are promised then the customer has the RIGHT to complain and want their money and effort back.

It's liked being promised a posable action man yet realising that nothing but his arms move and he can't hold anything in his hands. There's variation, just so damn little of it. I didn't even pay £2 for this action man, I paid £59.99

[Jackal7713]

GRISHASAUR wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

GRISHASAUR wrote...

so thier is no way to get a happy ending at all no matter what you do. that makes no sence

Welcome aboard, Skipper.

so what  are  7 endings?  i heard that there still might be a happy ending where the reapers are dead and the relays are not gone please let that be ture

You would think that a game with a story this big would have more then three endings. I hope that there is a reaper's dead, relays saved and a sunset with LI ending. I would let a few races get wiped from the reapers just to be with my LI. One being Batarians, since they have been set up as the universes d-bags anyways.

[Dark Specie]

panamakira wrote...
Gosh, where did my escapism go....

Apparently, escapism is outdated/old-fashioned these days and grimdark is the way to go!