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BlackDevil06 wrote...

What i do not like is the constant "Yeah, happy endings don't happen in real life, why here.". Maybe, just MAYBE that is the reason why some poeple like happy endings? Because life throws it in their face everyday.  So my grandmother had a stroke, became a shadow of her former self and eventually died after two years of suffering. I was feeling down for a ling time, there was always the tiny piece of hope that she might recover because thre was progress. Then on Easter Sunday life threw me the big "F YOU" on the face when I heard my grandma had passed away.
What i did was read fanfiction and watch movies with happy endings where not everything is bleak.

Sorry, not really on topic, just one of the reasons why I really want a happy ending.


I know this off topic, but sorry for you loss Image IPB

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I wrote previously about issues with the game being rushed and thus not making sense, but I also realized there were some other continuity issues.

In the codex in Mass Effect 1 and 2, it's stated that 7 indicates a rank and that N represents "special forces." So when James Vega consults you about it, and when you read about it in the codex, N7 is suddenly just some special leadership training. At this point it appears to not have any association with special forces, and the codex previously indicates that the number in a designation does not indicate anything about your place in the chain of command. EDIT: Also the proficiency number is said to be determined by service record, technical scores, and commendations, nothing related to a training program. This is not as big of an issue as the continuity problems with what the Citadel AI tells you when you try to compare it to (especially Sovereign's) dialogue in Mass Effect 1 regarding the reapers, but it isn't the only other one.

In Mass Effect 2, a number of people--as well as some of the events of the game--indicate that there is whispering about dark energy. Veetor mentions it as part of the Collectors' seeker swarm effectiveness; Tali tells you it is a likely cause of the star Dholen becoming a red giant; Gianni Parasini tells you her next job is related to research into dark energy, and she tells you many people are taking an interest in it; in the Arrival DLC, you learn that mass relays are affected by dark energy (perhaps using it as part of their energy source) and their destination points can be adjusted by manipulating dark energy.

But in ME3, nobody says a word about dark energy. It seemed like there was going to be a focus on this, but the concept just petered out by the time the third game was released. However, as I asserted previously, they may have had things they intended to include but were rushed to release the game. Why EA would rush them to release a game that doesn't even have a complete story is beyond my ability to guess.

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die-yng wrote...

It really was the same thing with me :P, except that I stayed up until 5 am to play and now we have 1pm and I'm still not settling down.
I'm a grown man, damn. But I can't help it. I just care too much about my Shepards. They deserve to rest on the veranda surrounded by their children, with Liara/Tali/ Ash/ Traynor (or whoever you choose) beside them, if I do everything all right.
Why bother getting a perfect score and raising galactic readiness to 100%, when in the end it amounts to nothing?

Mass Effect was my favourite game series, by my favourite company and I also bought everything by them except the MMO (and because of them I was even planning to give SW:OR a try).
And I was fine with the ending of Dragon Age II, okay, it could have been a bit mor epositive, but at least you could end the game with you, your LI, your brother/ sister and all your friends alive and more or less well.


I know we need closure of some sort, a happy ending and a self sacrificing one, people play the game differently. For me mass effect was a journey of hope against all odds, I hated the way it ended so abruptly and tragic. If Shep has to die, atleast it should have some positive outcome. I found all endings equally sad. I like the way DAO did the endings. 

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After finishing the game I have to agree with almost all of those opinions about the ending. I liked the endings of ME (my fav one, including the credits) and ME2, and this one is just a bit off. Like some people have said, the whole thing about ME was about fighting against the odds and triumphing like a hero, narrowly surviving (note this part, I don't say owning the enemy or dying like a fool, but something in between).

Many of us expected that, after breaking his/her ass preparing everyone in all three games, Shepard would just defeat the reapers and enjoy a happy retirement (maybe in a beach drinking with Garrus Image IPB)... at least until the next galaxy-destroying baddie would appear haha. Instead we got those bittersweet endings that leave us thinking something like "... did I work that hard through the whole three games just for THIS?!". I'm sure Shepard would think that too, if he/she did exist and went through all that just for that ending Image IPB

The game is great, and I really liked it for what it is (both the story and gameplay, even if I would change some minor things). The amount of losses that we face through the story made me a bit sad, in a good sense, and almost claimed revenge for it on my paragon Shep (well, I did it, in fact.... "this one is for Thane!"). For me, it means that I cared for those characters, and that's good writing and I love it. I was liking it that much that I was even thinking "wow, this one is the best of the trilogy".

However, like I'm saying, it goes down the toilet in the last 10 minutes (just after the "boy" appears and gives you the three choices, for more information). In my opinion, there's almost no difference between saving the galaxy from the reapers and letting them do their thing as, in the end, just a handful of people survive anyways. As explained, they reap every advanced civilization but leave the primitive ones alone. On the other hand, if you "save" the galaxy, all mass relays are destroyed, leaving everyone by themselves AND destroying every star system where there's one (do you remember what happened with some batarians? Image IPB). On top of that, Shepard dies. All that just for the chance for it to not happen again, as there's no guarantee... and even the "boy" points out that it will end bad. And that's the, in my opinion, "good ending". If at least good ol' Shep could barely escape and go with the Normady, I wouldn't mind this ending (and I think that most people wouldn't either). A new start with our beloved hero and his/her friends.

I won't say that I don't like the game, as I've enjoyed it, but I'm not happy with the bad taste that the ending has left me. It makes you almost forget about the rest of the trilogy.

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@masseffect The game was amazing up until the end. Any idea when you might be able to say something about upcoming DLC?
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No new information regarding that concern. But we'll post some information as soon as it becomes available!


aaaah damn... why dont they just tell us ? :( *sob*

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Copperwings wrote...

 Someone does indeed get it

www.examiner.com/video-game-in-honolulu/mass-effect-3-ending-responses-from-casey-hudson-unsatisfactory


I enjoyed the last part:


As Wrex would say, “If Bioware won’t listen they’re fools. We should eat them.” 


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KHReborn wrote...

Copperwings wrote...

 Someone does indeed get it

www.examiner.com/video-game-in-honolulu/mass-effect-3-ending-responses-from-casey-hudson-unsatisfactory


I enjoyed the last part:


As Wrex would say, “If Bioware won’t listen they’re fools. We should eat them.” 



Yum. Who wants to be in charge of cooking?

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die-yng wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

now everyone raging and thay "wont buy any game from BW in the furure..."
just let them wat some month and they will buy new BW games as nothing had happend..


I seriously hope you are uncorrect about that, but I guess you aren't...
It's that kind of inconsistency and weak behaviour that allows companies like EA to treat gamers the way they do.


There have been other companies who've lost my money and there'll be more in the future.
This is all about voting with your wallet and about drawing a line, where you won't just accept things anymore.


as i know there where SOME ppl´s who want to "draw a line" because of they dont want origins on their PCs...
ME3 sold 3,5 millions copies on the first days...
how much of those "drwaing a line" guys forget their plan on not buying me3 ?

#31334
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Darkspazztic wrote...

BlackDevil06 wrote...

KLGChaos wrote...

Berty213 wrote...

I got a question for you all. I have been reading people on twitter saying they are fine with Shepards death but they want closure, I can understand people wanting this, I even want this but only for ONE of the endings, are people really ok with Shepard dieing in all the endings. I wouldn't mind that as one of my endings but I would like a happy ending where Shepard goes back to his/her LI even I have to really work to get the ending.


It's a fad nowadays. People got bored with the happy endings, so they all started going for bleak or bittersweet endings because they have "more emotional impact" and they started to believe happy endings are boring and lame. Many even go so far as to mock people who enjoy happy endings (usually using words like sunshine, butterflies and bunnies). Of course, it's not true. You can have a perfectly good happy ending without the need for everything go be "Happily Ever After" like a Disney movie where everything is peachy keen-- after all, a lot of good people died in this game. They earned that happy ending.

I personally prefer happy endings, though I can tolerate bittersweet. I think with all the choices ME has had, you should be able to get whatever ending you're aiming for.

In a series like ME where your choices mean something and can make a huge difference (saving the council, making sure everyone survived the suicide mission), having an outcome for everyone should be a priority. Happy, bleak and everything in between depending on how you handled yourself through the games.


What i do not like is the constant "Yeah, happy endings don't happen in real life, why here.". Maybe, just MAYBE that is the reason why some poeple like happy endings? Because life throws it in their face everyday.  So my grandmother had a stroke, became a shadow of her former self and eventually died after two years of suffering. I was feeling down for a ling time, there was always the tiny piece of hope that she might recover because thre was progress. Then on Easter Sunday life threw me the big "F YOU" on the face when I heard my grandma had passed away.
What i did was read fanfiction and watch movies with happy endings where not everything is bleak.

Sorry, not really on topic, just one of the reasons why I really want a happy ending.


Agree with you wholeheartedly.  Life sucks.  Don't make our videogames suck.

Besides, I'm just a complete sucker for happy endings. :P


I agree with both of you. There should be room for a happy ending.
We were basically promised endings for whichever route we took, whom we saved, lost etc..

And if you do everything right, save everybody possible, do all missions, get all artefacts etc.. you should at least have the option to get a happy ending.
If you want bleak realism, why bother gaming?
Besides Shepard has beaten the odds again and again...:kissing:

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Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

now everyone raging and thay "wont buy any game from BW in the furure..."
just let them wat some month and they will buy new BW games as nothing had happend..


I seriously hope you are uncorrect about that, but I guess you aren't...
It's that kind of inconsistency and weak behaviour that allows companies like EA to treat gamers the way they do.


Well, no, I wont be buying anything more from EA/Bioware. I have dragon age, i have SWTOR. I'm afraid i wasnt impressed by either of them. I wasnt upset by them at all, just, not impressed. they were poor games for me.. ME was the perfect series in my estimation. right up till the last ten minutes, and even then, it was salvageable, but, the more i see BW turn a blind eye to what the great majority of the people are saying, the more i realize that this is not a company that is a good investment.  They are like a casnned food company that makes an excellent tasting product  athat is extremely satisfying, till you get to the last bite, and find a cockroach on the botom of the can. Then they cry zEntitlement, like we have no right to a healthy meal for our investment.

Folks, Entitlement in its negative reference can only be used if the company is giving you something for free. In that case, we are not entitled to anything more than offered, but they arent giving anything away for free.. We payed a minimum of sixty american dollars apiece for this product, and we are quite entitled to recieve tyhe product that was advertised at no extra cost. We are customers, not fans.
Because of biowares inability to understand this very basic concept ( which is at the very foundation of business ) I simply cannot bring myself to purchase anything from them again.

#31336
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monimakitten wrote...

I know we need closure of some sort, a happy ending and a self sacrificing one, people play the game differently. For me mass effect was a journey of hope against all odds, I hated the way it ended so abruptly and tragic. If Shep has to die, atleast it should have some positive outcome. I found all endings equally sad. I like the way DAO did the endings. 


I 100% agree with you here. People play the game differently, some people played paragon some played renegade, some people played a bit of both! For me I would like an ending where I get to go back to Tali, others don't mind the Shepard dying Bioware should have thought the ending through more.

Modifié par Berty213, 15 mars 2012 - 12:33 .


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Katosu wrote...

KHReborn wrote...

Copperwings wrote...

 Someone does indeed get it

www.examiner.com/video-game-in-honolulu/mass-effect-3-ending-responses-from-casey-hudson-unsatisfactory


I enjoyed the last part:


As Wrex would say, “If Bioware won’t listen they’re fools. We should eat them.” 



Yum. Who wants to be in charge of cooking?


So how do you like your meat? =P

Blue?
Rare?
Medium Rare?
Well Done?

Modifié par Kezza, 15 mars 2012 - 12:33 .


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blunznsepp wrote...

@masseffect The game was amazing up until the end. Any idea when you might be able to say something about upcoming DLC?
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No new information regarding that concern. But we'll post some information as soon as it becomes available!


aaaah damn... why dont they just tell us ? :( *sob*


****** games just start playing...
just waitn until weekend...
give them "a chance" to acknowledge our feeling about the ending ;)

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I just don't get it...BioWare is a very large company that has the POWER to change the ending right away if they wanted. They won so much money from us buying their game and yet they can't spend 2-3 hours to think of a better ending for all these years of gaming.

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Kezza wrote...

Katosu wrote...

KHReborn wrote...

Copperwings wrote...

 Someone does indeed get it

www.examiner.com/video-game-in-honolulu/mass-effect-3-ending-responses-from-casey-hudson-unsatisfactory


I enjoyed the last part:


As Wrex would say, “If Bioware won’t listen they’re fools. We should eat them.” 



Yum. Who wants to be in charge of cooking?


So how do you like your meat? =P

Blue?
Rare?
Medium Rare?
Well Done?


Woah, steady on... I counted four options there :whistle:

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halloween20 wrote...

die-yng wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

now everyone raging and thay "wont buy any game from BW in the furure..."
just let them wat some month and they will buy new BW games as nothing had happend..


I seriously hope you are uncorrect about that, but I guess you aren't...
It's that kind of inconsistency and weak behaviour that allows companies like EA to treat gamers the way they do.


There have been other companies who've lost my money and there'll be more in the future.
This is all about voting with your wallet and about drawing a line, where you won't just accept things anymore.


as i know there where SOME ppl´s who want to "draw a line" because of they dont want origins on their PCs...
ME3 sold 3,5 millions copies on the first days...
how much of those "drwaing a line" guys forget their plan on not buying me3 ?


They did not sell, they shipped 3,5 millions copies. I wish them to sell 1 billion copies for what it's worth, not detracting from also wishing for them to give us some proper endings.

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Berty213 wrote...

monimakitten wrote...

I know we need closure of some sort, a happy ending and a self sacrificing one, people play the game differently. For me mass effect was a journey of hope against all odds, I hated the way it ended so abruptly and tragic. If Shep has to die, atleast it should have some positive outcome. I found all endings equally sad. I like the way DAO did the endings. 


I 100% agree with you here. People play the game differently, some people played paragon some played renegade, some people played a bit of both! For me I would like an ending where I get to go back to Tali, others don't mind the Shepard dying Bioware should have thought the ending through more.


Thats exactly how I feel as well, but in the end it doesnt matter if we played one way or the other. It all ends the same way<_<

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Deventh wrote...

I just don't get it...BioWare is a very large company that has the POWER to change the ending right away if they wanted. They won so much money from us buying their game and yet they can't spend 2-3 hours to think of a better ending for all these years of gaming.


To be honest thinking of an ending and makingit are to different things. Making somthing like that is quite difficult from my experiense

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eeeewww.

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monimakitten wrote...

I know we need closure of some sort, a happy ending and a self sacrificing one, people play the game differently. For me mass effect was a journey of hope against all odds, I hated the way it ended so abruptly and tragic. If Shep has to die, atleast it should have some positive outcome. I found all endings equally sad. I like the way DAO did the endings. 


And I can understand this point of view as well. I'd definitely would choose this ending once, I chose to sacrifice the warden in DA:O once as well.
But then the Warden achieved exactly what he intented to do, Shepard basically loses and that i can't stand.

No, seriously there should just have been all kinds of endings.
Sort of like in Japanes Visual Novels, where depending on your choices the endings go from superbad to unbelievable honey-suckling sweet. That would have befitted a game like ME that was all about the choices you made.

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It finally occurred to me, the ending is traffic lights.

Except these are magic traffic lights designed by a 7 year old magic space kid. Regardless of which colour they are, the traffic lights always say go. This results in a cluster happy of a car accident.

Modifié par whitey4444, 15 mars 2012 - 12:37 .


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halloween20 wrote...
****** games just start playing...
just waitn until weekend...
give them "a chance" to acknowledge our feeling about the ending ;)


do reaper arms count as tentacles? :innocent:

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Kezza wrote...

So how do you like your meat? =P

Blue?
Rare?
Medium Rare?
Well Done?


Blue. With some greens and a glass of red.

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If gamers were going to be asked to use their imaginations they could have done that without spending $50 and Shepard would have lived, taken back Earth, had more than 30 hours of content and had far deeper romances than were available with nudity because imagination doesn’t have a censor with bras and panties. 


Haha so true from this articlewww.examiner.com/video-game-in-honolulu/mass-effect-3-ending-responses-from-casey-hudson-unsatisfactory

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halloween20 wrote...

KHReborn wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...

halloween20 wrote...

now everyone raging and thay "wont buy any game from BW in the furure..."
just let them wat some month and they will buy new BW games as nothing had happend..


I seriously hope you are uncorrect about that, but I guess you aren't...
It's that kind of inconsistency and weak behaviour that allows companies like EA to treat gamers the way they do.


It's getting demotivotional here. For now keep your target in mind. Hold the line!


i dont say anything about "dont hold the line"... i WANT a different ending !!!

but

all these "wont buy any BW games in future" claims are simple open mind


When you feel ripped off by a company step 1 is stop buying their products.  The system doesn't work if they can rip you off and still get your buisiness.